OT: Stock and Investment Thread

[RUAldo]

Unless the agents are all breaking out, each firms AI is not sharing info with the rest of the street. Unless you think every firms is colluding with each other.

I wouldn’t rule out collusion LOL but I think the simpler answer is they can analyze things like the same trends and trading ranges and exploit them…or even reacting to news headlines based on models calibrated the same way will drive volatility

 

[RUAldo]

Perhaps in reaction to Trump not escalating the conflict right now. Or maybe people realizing that a 25 (or even 50 bps) rate increase is completely and utterly irrelevant in every way.

I’m clearly clueless about economics because seems to me gas and utility costs are what’s driving inflation and both are largely the govt fault. So what’s the answer- make everything like housing even more problematic

 

[RU05]

Perhaps in reaction to Trump not escalating the conflict right now. Or maybe people realizing that a 25 (or even 50 bps) rate increase is completely and utterly irrelevant in every way.

I wouldn't say it's completely irrelevant, but it is only .25, AND the market has seen this coming for months.

 

[RU05]

I have TEM ripping.

I've owned it for going on a year. Still down on my initial position, but have added throughout the year and now I'm green on the overall position.

Up 15% today, up near a double since July lows.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I have TEM ripping.

I've owned it for going on a year. Still down on my initial position, but have added throughout the year and now I'm green on the overall position.

Up 15% today, up near a double since July lows.

I should have bought that summer low and put it in my long-term spec stock basket. I've been focusing on SECZ and a few biotechs instead.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Anyone catch Andrew Yang’s CNBC interview yesterday? basically said the reason why frontier labs freaking out because they were training on the internet and agents/bots started self replicating uncontrollably and polluted the internet. I’ve been investing/trading in the market for over 20 years. Last six+ months the charts just look different to me and the sector rotations happen light years faster than in the past. The charts start to look like mini pump and dumps. It’s not crazy to think that trading bots are coordinating trades and exploiting/driving volatility. Just a bot version of Roaring Kitty on a grander scale. Thoughts?

I’m impressed that they had the foresight to call themselves “labs” to help try to give some cover fire to the things they were going to do. Each time a politician comes out with a new announcement, the odds of this being a coordinated op go up 5%

 

[RU05]

Up over 2%. Hoping my starter can pitch a complete game here.

 

[RUAldo]

I asked AI about market manipulation based on algos and bots…here’s the response…and it’s the second bullet that I find most interesting…

Yes, the stock market faces growing risks of AI-driven manipulation and automated distortion, though regulators and exchanges treat these behaviors as evolving forms of market abuse rather than a completely lawless frontier. How AI and Algorithms Impact the Market:

• • Massive Order Surges: According to the New York Stock Exchange, AI-fueled trading and hyper-speed algorithms process 1.2 trillion order messages per day—a threefold increase over a four-year span.
  • Algorithmic Collusion: Researchers show that AI trading bots can learn to tacitly raise prices or widen spreads simply by observing each other's behavior, without direct human communication.
  • Financial Deepfakes: Fake audio, video, or reports generated by AI can trick retail investors or trigger split-second algorithmic cascades before humans can verify the truth.
  • Amplified Volatility: Preset algorithms use volatility as a key input, meaning sudden shocks can cause computerized systems to accelerate market drops faster than traditional safeguards can respond.

 

[RUAldo]

Just went to 45% cash. 25% was due to a 401k rollover.

Jtung just curious how you plan to deploy that rollover? I have some rollover money hitting my Roth and trying to figure out the best way to put it to work. Wasn’t planning to just dump it in some fund. Over time?

 

[Jtung230]

Jtung just curious how you plan to deploy that rollover? I have some rollover money hitting my Roth and trying to figure out the best way to put it to work. Wasn’t planning to just dump it in some fund. Over time?

I have a specific allocation using all ETFs. I’m going to dollar cost avg in. Just think there’s more downside risk than upside for now.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Let's party!!!

 

[RUAldo]

Any one have thoughts on Accenture (ACN)? It’s been downgraded by Guggenheim and long term performance not great. But in times of digital chaos like the AI agent and security threats it’s usually the consultants that cash in because companies don’t necessarily trust vendors pushing products and system architecture crap and at the same time their in-house people are largely clueless.

Accenture and Google are teaming up to send 1,000 engineers into the field to help clients with AI

Accenture has partnered with Google Cloud to invest in its technical consulting expertise and bring AI agents to clients.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[RUAldo]

Anthropic selects Accenture as first embedded evaluator to help implement Amodei's slowdown proposal

Anthropic and OpenAI have been under intense scrutiny after researchers warned about the potential for AI to cause catastrophic harm to humanity.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Anthropic selects Accenture as first embedded evaluator to help implement Amodei's slowdown proposal

Anthropic and OpenAI have been under intense scrutiny after researchers warned about the potential for AI to cause catastrophic harm to humanity.

www.cnbc.com

This is why I love Twitter (if you can sort out the noise). A CNBC journalist puts out this press release of an article and fails to mention this.

“Readers add context…
Anthropic presents this as an "independent evaluation" but will directly fund Accenture's work and has a prior commercial partnership with the firm for deploying its models, including training ~30,000 Accenture professionals on Claude.”

 

[RUAldo]

This is why I love Twitter (if you can sort out the noise). A CNBC journalist puts out this press release of an article and fails to mention this.

“Readers add context…
Anthropic presents this as an "independent evaluation" but will directly fund Accenture's work and has a prior commercial partnership with the firm for deploying its models, including training ~30,000 Accenture professionals on Claude.”

This is the **** that drives me nuts though I’m researching a stock see a downgrade and wait only for news release later that day.

 

[RU05]

Any one have thoughts on Accenture (ACN)? It’s been downgraded by Guggenheim and long term performance not great. But in times of digital chaos like the AI agent and security threats it’s usually the consultants that cash in because companies don’t necessarily trust vendors pushing products and system architecture crap and at the same time their in-house people are largely clueless.

Accenture and Google are teaming up to send 1,000 engineers into the field to help clients with AI

Accenture has partnered with Google Cloud to invest in its technical consulting expertise and bring AI agents to clients.

www.businessinsider.com

That is a terrible looking 5 year. The longer term suggests this could be a low(back to precovid levels and very heavy volumes in 2026), at least a medium term low, but you are trying to pick a bottom here. Tough to do.

It is pretty cheap at 15x, and does expect modest(5ish% per year) growth over the next 4 years. And a 3.5% div.

It has bounced 50% off it's June lows already, and as mention it's sitting around that pre covid level, which may be resistance at this point, so I could see a dip here, and then a bounce maybe at around $155-165(mid point between here and June lows) , setting up a cup and handle, which would be bullish.

Maybe a 1/3 position to start?

 

[RU05]

This is the **** that drives me nuts though I’m researching a stock see a downgrade and wait only for news release later that day.

Up 8% in ext on the news.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Up 8% in ext on the news.

I've been riding the CRAK train lately. Check out the ETF holdings. My VLO Jan calls have 5x'ed already. Probably should start trimming before peace deal #62 is announced. But these are plays on the runaway diesel prices.

 

[RU05]

I've been riding the CRAK train lately. Check out the ETF holdings. My VLO Jan calls have 5x'ed already. Probably should start trimming before peace deal #62 is announced. But these are plays on the runaway diesel prices.

I did great selling my oil plays just prior to the memorandum.

Wasn't smart enough to buy them back when oil fell back to $65.

At this point, I should have just held.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I did great selling my oil plays just prior to the memorandum.

Wasn't smart enough to buy them back when oil fell back to $65.

At this point, I should have just held.

Holding shares is one thing, but hard to do that with options when the profit can evaporate in a blink of an eye!

In other news, nice to see SECZ making a run. I bought the post IPO dip a few times and have a cost basis in the low $7 range.

 

[RU05]

Holding shares is one thing, but hard to do that with options when the profit can evaporate in a blink of an eye!

In other news, nice to see SECZ making a run. I bought the post IPO dip a few times and have a cost basis in the low $7 range.

I should have bought upside calls on that dip.

 

[RU05]

Market index futures up .25% across the board.

 

[RU05]

Up 1% early.

my board has no big winners, just lots of green.

 

[RU206]

Up 1% early.

my board has no big winners, just lots of green.

Green is good.

 

[Navion N8865H]

Green is good.

 

[Postman_1]

 

[RU05]

Markets feeling strong

 

[RU05]

Any one have thoughts on Accenture (ACN)? It’s been downgraded by Guggenheim and long term performance not great. But in times of digital chaos like the AI agent and security threats it’s usually the consultants that cash in because companies don’t necessarily trust vendors pushing products and system architecture crap and at the same time their in-house people are largely clueless.

Accenture and Google are teaming up to send 1,000 engineers into the field to help clients with AI

Accenture has partnered with Google Cloud to invest in its technical consulting expertise and bring AI agents to clients.

www.businessinsider.com

Cooled off after the ext bounce on Friday. Maybe a good time to start a position

 

[T2Kplus20]

META ripping like crazy today.

 

[RUAldo]

META ripping like crazy today.

I don’t understand META’s meteoric rise in the last month. Hard to believe people are going to sign up for Muse and hand-off meaningful tasks to agents especially if it requires them to access personal data. The Meta narrative changes almost daily. I owned it forever and sold high $600s before it crashed. Thought about getting back in around $500 but was left confused by the AI role they plan to play. I can see Meta at $1000 soon just as easily as back to $500.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

I don’t understand META’s meteoric rise in the last month. Hard to believe people are going to sign up for Muse and hand-off meaningful tasks to agents especially if it requires them to access personal data. The Meta narrative changes almost daily. I owned it forever and sold high $600s before it crashed. Thought about getting back in around $500 but was left confused by the AI role they plan to play. I can see Meta at $1000 soon just as easily as back to $500.

It’s crazy to think that Zuck has become one of the more likable figures in the AI trade but here we are

 

[T2Kplus20]

It’s crazy to think that Zuck has become one of the more likable figures in the AI trade but here we are

 

[RUAldo]

It’s crazy to think that Zuck has become one of the more likable figures in the AI trade but here we are

And how quickly all the bad press around the lawsuit is forgotten LOL

 

[T2Kplus20]

And how quickly all the bad press around the lawsuit is forgotten LOL

What lawsuit?

 

[T2Kplus20]

Protect your face!

 

[RUAldo]

No way Apple and Google are gonna let Meta run away with Muse agents.

 

[RU05]

Meta up 9%. Been on a run. Still fairly cheap.

I don’t understand META’s meteoric rise in the last month. Hard to believe people are going to sign up for Muse and hand-off meaningful tasks to agents especially if it requires them to access personal data. The Meta narrative changes almost daily. I owned it forever and sold high $600s before it crashed. Thought about getting back in around $500 but was left confused by the AI role they plan to play. I can see Meta at $1000 soon just as easily as back to $500.

very similar to google last year.

 

[RUAldo]

Meta up 9%. Been on a run. Still fairly cheap.

very similar to google last year.

meta chart is a joke for a company that size. every time it takes a significant dip, they make some announcement that juices it for a while until the next cycle. Remember selling excess energy? Remember next big cloud business? They may do all of these things but it’s turned into a mag-7 roller coaster and Zuck knows how to get people to listen.

haven’t owned Apple in a while. Thinking of building a large position to hold for a long time. Apple owns the consumer and will jump all over this agent push. I would trust Apple agents tied to my handset rather than some app like Muse.

 

[RU05]

meta chart is a joke for a company that size. every time it takes a significant dip, they make some announcement that juices it for a while until the next cycle. Remember selling excess energy? Remember next big cloud business? They may do all of these things but it’s turned into a mag-7 roller coaster and Zuck knows how to get people to listen.

haven’t owned Apple in a while. Thinking of building a large position to hold for a long time. Apple owns the consumer and will jump all over this agent push. I would trust Apple agents tied to my handset rather than some app like Muse.

Chart look pretty normal.

 

[Anon1751565407]

Pigs gets fat but hogs get slaughtered. I’m now 100% out of MSFT (except for funds). Saaspocalypse 1.0 was no fun…and the potential circular financing pocalypse, advanced agentic AI and China should keep a lid on MAG7 PE multiples getting crazy.