OT:Spanish Flu

[512taylor]

Will someone remind me of the title of an excellent book regarding the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak?

I seem to remember that title on an earlier post.

Thanks!

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Don't call it "Spanish" Flu

 

[WilCoDawg]

Take cover before the PC police pop in. It’s racist to call it “Spanish flu”, especially since it did not originate there unlike other aptly named viruses. It’s “H1N1”.

 

[EagleDawg97]

I thought H1N1 was the swine flu?

 

[WilCoDawg]

There is the H1N1 Spanish flu which originated from birds and then there’s the H1N1 swine flu with origins from pigs (which I find personally unnecessary).

 

[EagleDawg97]

Speak for yourself, if we are all going to die in the next month......I prefer to have a couple of slices of bacon between now and then.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Isn't it funny it's called the "Spanish Flu" but if you say "Whuan" or "Chinese" virus it's racist???

The hypocrisy today...smm17'nh

 

[Ralph Cramden]

Pale Rider by Laura Spinney ??

 

[Len2003]

There's a lot of stuff on You Tube about it. I watched a documentary that said the virus mutated over the summer and came back worse in two more waves.

 

[Mr. Bond]

You’re probably thinking of “The Great Influenza” by John Barry. Same guy who wrote the excellent “Rising Tide”

 

[codeDawg]

Isn't it funny it's called the "Spanish Flu" but if you say "Whuan" or "Chinese" virus it's racist???

The hypocrisy today...smm17'nh

It was called “Spanish Flu” for the same reasons people want to call this one the “Wuhan Flu”. The 1918 pandemic started in Kansas, not Spain. Our government tried to sweep it under the rug, similar to now, and use propaganda techniques to place the blame of our failures on someone else. That’s how you got “Spanish Flu” and why conservative conspiracy theorists are pushing “Wuhan Flu” now.

 

[MrKotter]

It was called “Spanish Flu” for the same reasons people want to call this one the “Wuhan Flu”. The 1918 pandemic started in Kansas, not Spain. Our government tried to sweep it under the rug, similar to now, and use propaganda techniques to place the blame of our failures on someone else. That’s how you got “Spanish Flu” and why conservative conspiracy theorists are pushing “Wuhan Flu” now.

^^ doesn't have a 17ing clue^^

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

There are many different strains of H1N1.

 

[codeDawg]

^^ doesn't have a 17ing clue^^

About what?

 

[MrKotter]

similar to now, and use propaganda techniques to place the blame of our failures on someone else. .

Since you asked, this is complete horseshit and you know it. I see you've been eating up Chuck Todd and his homies fabricated BS. Some are easily fooled I guess.

Also, exactly, what failures are we covering up and blaming others for? Possibly the fact we, as did every other country, know we could be facing a pandemic with the Chinese flu? I guess in your eyes the US is the only country having difficulties dealing with it? Lord knows Europe and the Middle East have it firmly under control **

 

[GloryDawg]

Isn't it funny it's called the "Spanish Flu" but if you say "Whuan" or "Chinese" virus it's racist???

The hypocrisy today...smm17'nh

Only in America.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Are you saying COVID19 started here and NOT in Wuhan by a guy eating bat soup from a wet market?

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It will always be BetaCoV/Wuhan to me (and to biologists)

 

[ckDOG]

I don't care what you call the damn virus

The folks hell bent on calling it the Chinese virus seem mostly concerned about the name of the damn thing, causing distraction, and not taking the disease seriously. Trolling for conflict in serious times is just dumb and petty.

Y'all figure this part out later when folks stop dying and I can leave my house again.

 

[L4Dawg]

It was called “Spanish Flu” for the same reasons people want to call this one the “Wuhan Flu”. The 1918 pandemic started in Kansas, not Spain. Our government tried to sweep it under the rug, similar to now, and use propaganda techniques to place the blame of our failures on someone else. That’s how you got “Spanish Flu” and why conservative conspiracy theorists are pushing “Wuhan Flu” now.

We were in a war at the time remember? It hit both sides in WWI very hard but neither wanted it to be that public, for obvious reasons. Spain was not in the war and their press had no restrictions on talking about it in the press like the combatants did. It came to be known as the Spanish Flu because of that. it originated here, most likely in Kansas. The first documented outbreak was on an army post there.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Also, "The Black Death" Bubonic Plague is now referred to as "The African American Death" Bubonic Plague.***

 

[WilCoDawg]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
The first reported case may have been in KS, but that doesn’t mean it originated in the US. There is evidence that it, too, came from China and then mutated in Boston, which made its way to Kansas, and then to France.

 

[PineGroveBully]

It’s not called the Spanish flu because of American blame or propaganda. As WWI was underway in 1918, most countries involved had their media somewhat censored and WWI was the top headline and all that was really talked about. Well Spain was neutral in WWI, and once the virus traveled to Spain from France, they weren’t under the wartime censorship nor were they losing 1000’s of young men in the war so the Spanish media was free to report what was really going on.

Spain got extra attention after their King Alfonso XIII contracted it then kinda became the poster child for it. But it’s called the Spanish flu because they were really the only country doing actual reporting on it and as the war ended and the research done by the Spanish media made its way to other countries it was cited as The Spanish flu, not because we wanted to shift blame.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

And I guaran-damn-tee ya that if an intestinal parasite that caused explosive diarrhea started in the Magnolia State the WHO would have no problem calling it the Mississippi Mud Britches

 

[11thEagleFan]

In Longyearbyen, Norway, there are no burial options. If you die, you’re getting sent somewhere else. This is because there is a prohibition against digging in cemeteries because the bodies there have not decomposed, and scientists believe that live strains of Spanish Flu may still exist in their graves.

 

[PineGroveBully]

About why it’s called the Spanish flu, I had nothing to do with propaganda from the US

 

[DAWG61]

I actually prefer calling it Kung Flu. Doesn't specifically say China and it's catchy no pun intended.

 

[deadheaddawg]

I admit I don't know the origins of the name "Spanish flu". Was it coined and pushed to deflect blame by Woodrow Wilson because he did a terrible job at the beginning of the outbreak?

If so I'd say it's probably racist too

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

And I guaran-damn-tee ya that if an intestinal parasite that caused explosive diarrhea started in the Magnolia State the WHO would have no problem calling it the Mississippi Mud Britches

I was thinking they would call it "The Land Mass Flu"

 

[PineGroveBully]

If you scroll up I explained why it was coined the Spanish flu

 

[codeDawg]

Are you saying COVID19 started here and NOT in Wuhan by a guy eating bat soup from a wet market?

We know it came from a market. We don't know if it was bats or pangolins (which carry a virus with very similar genetic sequences) or some other host. It's not known if it was consumption, contact with blood in a place where animals are butchered, or just through the air as we spread it. We just know there was some passage of this from animals to humans in that market. To say anything else is just spreading misinformation.

You are just echoing misinformation intended to target Chinese people's eating habits as the blame for this instead of focusing on how we can stop it. The Spanish Flu, H1N1, both started here. These pathogens mutate and transfer around the world regardless of borders. They don't care if you are Chinese, American, Italian, or Australian. They just want to invade your body, replicate, and survive in the next host as quickly as possible.

Sure, China 17ed up and didn't get a handle on this as quickly as possible, but it's not like the rest of the world has done much better. South Korea and Japan got ahead of the worst of it. A couple of weeks ago our leadership was telling us it was under control and would just wash out of here as quickly as it came. We need to come together and fight the reality of our situation today rather than worrying about placing blame on others.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I was thinking they would call it "The Land Mass Flu"

The Land Mass Drippy ***

 

[Tall Dawg]

The Thailand officials...told the damn WHO....about this crap coming out of China...in Nov or Dec. They told them it was being transmitted between people but...the WHO investigated and said...no...it was ONLY animal to people..! The WHO nor China even recognize Thailand as a country. The WHO covered up for China once again. They should be DISMANTLED over this because...they could’ve kept this crap in China for the most part...if travel would’ve been halted in Dec.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I think you mean Taiwan, not Thailand, as the country China and the WHO do not recognize. But the way the WHO covered for the commies is sickening.

 

[codeDawg]

We were in a war at the time remember? It hit both sides in WWI very hard but neither wanted it to be that public, for obvious reasons. Spain was not in the war and their press had no restrictions on talking about it in the press like the combatants did. It came to be known as the Spanish Flu because of that. it originated here, most likely in Kansas. The first documented outbreak was on an army post there.

This is all true. None of the combatants wanted to appear as weak or weakened by the virus, so there was no addressing it by the government. Only Spain wasn't involved in the war, had a terrible outbreak, and "hey look over there, Spanish Flu". It's the same thing that's going on here. "Hey we have this under control... this will come in and go quickly... China has a lot of problems and started this China Flu"

It's not even a flu strain. Why is everyone so wrapped up in making up a name that is both trying to place blame and associating it with a disease that it isn't'? No matter where it started, it's our problem now and we need to be focusing on the reality of the situation.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Context and intent matter. If you call it the Chinese Flu and don't mean anything by it, fine. Most people calling it that, however, are intentionally trying to #triggerthelibs, because I guess that's all they have left. Trump is very good at playing people (on both sides) like a fiddle to get the reaction he wants.

 

[Tall Dawg]

Correct, UpTheMiddle. Thanks for correcting this.

 

[PineGroveBully]

I don’t recall him calling it the Chinese Flu until after China’s propaganda team tried to say the US military had planted it there. I’m normally not big on the useless name calling but in this case the media has done little to nothing to stand up for the country so in this case I have no problem. If China doesn’t like it then next time a possible contagion originates in their country they can TELL THE 17’ TRUTH from the start. The libs he’s trying to trigger are the ones toting China’s water.

 

[DAWG61]

Nobody is trying to tote China's water. The media that's taken offense to calling it Chinese Flu are doing so to attempt to protect Chinese-Americans that live here from other racist bigots intentionally making their lives more difficult in America because of a virus that started thousand of miles away. They aren't trying to get Trump to stop calling it the Chinese Flu so it'll stop making Chinese people in China lives more difficult.

 

[JungRebel]

What should our response as a nation, government, and media be to someone in the CCP saying this started in America? I assume Russia and Iran will start saying the same thing if they havent already.