OT: Phil Mickelson

RU85inFla

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Crazy logic. And still avoid why it is OK to play on the DP Tour for appearance money vs the LIV. You also keep ignoring that 15 is the minimum. 15 not 16 certainly not 28. Yes you were wrong on the 28. Big Deal??? That is exactly the crap you and the PGA is spinning. Did your famous buddies give you that nonsense? The rule is 15 and then they used to be on there own after that right? Now the PGA is picking and choosing where they can play. Breaking their own rule.
The PGA is preventing the LIV players from playing 15 in the U.S. You think the sponsors like that move??
I’ve linked the PGA playerHandbook from a few years ago. It that version it clearly states you have to ask and receive permission to play in another tours event. Nobody is denying this and nobody is claiming they had a gun to their head when they signed on the dotted line and agreed to the rules.

that’s the relevant issue. Not how many events one has to play.
 

WhiteBus

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I’ve linked the PGA playerHandbook from a few years ago. It that version it clearly states you have to ask and receive permission to play in another tours event. Nobody is denying this and nobody is claiming they had a gun to their head when they signed on the dotted line and agreed to the rules.
Before this year tell me who was ever denied?? Stop dancing around the questions. Answer why it is OK to play on the DP Tour in Saudi Arabia but not on the LIV? Answer why nobody including Tiger who is the biggest draw on the PGA Tour to play 161 for appearance fees on the now DP Tour, never was denied but the LIV is a threat. Also when many like Phil joined the PGA the Tour was done after the PGA Championship. Now its year round. Of course you think management is broke and doesn't get extra money while the players get no official off time.
Of course you didn't answer if sponsors are happy that the commissioner band some of the more famous players from playing on the tour.
 

RU85inFla

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Before this year tell me who was ever denied?? Stop dancing around the questions. Answer why it is OK to play on the DP Tour in Saudi Arabia but not on the LIV? Answer why nobody including Tiger who is the biggest draw on the PGA Tour to play 161 for appearance fees on the now DP Tour, never was denied but the LIV is a threat. Also when many like Phil joined the PGA the Tour was done after the PGA Championship. Now its year round. Of course you think management is broke and doesn't get extra money while the players get no official off time.
Listen, those questions are for the tour. I don’t dispute them. But here’s what I’ll do for you. tomorrow evening I’m playing an E9 at my club and if any of the tour guys show up I’ll ask just for you. If not both Finchem and Moneham live on number 3. I’ll knock on the door.
 

WhiteBus

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Listen, those questions are for the tour. I don’t dispute them. But here’s what I’ll do for you. tomorrow evening I’m playing an E9 at my club and if any of the tour guys show up I’ll ask just for you. If not both Finchem and Moneham live on number 3. I’ll knock on the door.
Also ask them about your math. You said 28. Ask them if it's really 15 minus 4 majors minus 3 WGC events, minus FedEx playoffs and Ryder Cup or President Cup. That is as low as 4 PGA Tour events in certain years.
No those questions are for you because you know the answer but refuse to acknowledge them because it blows up every argument you and the PGA Tour, Golf Channel are spinning. There is zero threat to the PGA. They should work our a schedule, dump the WGC and play a limited # of events. Screw the DP Tour.
 

RU85inFla

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Also ask them about your math. You said 28. Ask them if it's really 15 minus 4 majors minus 3 WGC events, minus FedEx playoffs and Ryder Cup or President Cup. That is as low as 4 PGA Tour events in certain years.
No those questions are for you because you know the answer but refuse to acknowledge them because it blows up every argument you and the PGA Tour, Golf Channel are spinning. There is zero threat to the PGA. They should work our a schedule, dump the WGC and play a limited # of events. Screw the DP Tour.
Why don’t you send an email then. Pretty simple solution.
 
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Before this year tell me who was ever denied?? Stop dancing around the questions. Answer why it is OK to play on the DP Tour in Saudi Arabia but not on the LIV? Answer why nobody including Tiger who is the biggest draw on the PGA Tour to play 161 for appearance fees on the now DP Tour, never was denied but the LIV is a threat. Also when many like Phil joined the PGA the Tour was done after the PGA Championship. Now its year round. Of course you think management is broke and doesn't get extra money while the players get no official off time.
Of course you didn't answer if sponsors are happy that the commissioner band some of the more famous players from playing on the tour.
Guys haven’t playing in conflicting events 5-10 times each year. There might be a one-off here and there, something like the Scottish Open the week before the British Open, events during the off-season (or fall series, which were lesser events), etc. If I’m a sponsor, I’m happy that the commish is doing something to protect the tour, rather than potentially turning my event into an afterthought.
 

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greenknight

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You guys are clowns. The Liv is an exhibition clown show.....its jus like comparing the Globetrotters to the NBA. Overpaying for a bunch of has beens. That have little incentive to play good as they are all already getting paid for nothing. Phil us an *** clown the PGA made him 800 million. He should have been banned along time ago for his gambling & insider trading The PGA made him not the other way around...on top of the million upon millions of $$$ they have raised for charities over the yrs.....nobody in all the sports combined are close tonthe PGA in charity work
Hope he shoots a 100 tomorrow.......again the PGA made him not the other way around

Let's see DJ & Louis Oost said it best they want to play less but they still want their Millions for next to nothing
 
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WhiteBus

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You guys are clowns. The Liv is an exhibition clown show.....its jus like comparing the Globetrotters to the NBA. Overpaying for a bunch of has beens. That have little incentive to play good as they are all already getting paid for nothing. Phil us an *** clown the PGA made him 800 million. He should have been banned along time ago for his gambling & insider trading The PGA made him not the other way around...on top of the million upon millions of $$$ they have raised for charities over the yrs.....nobody in all the sports combined are close tonthe PGA in charity work
Hope he shoots a 100 tomorrow.......again the PGA made him not the other way around
Is your real name Brandel Chamblee?? If not you are just as clueless.
 
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You guys are clowns. The Liv is an exhibition clown show.....its jus like comparing the Globetrotters to the NBA. Overpaying for a bunch of has beens. That have little incentive to play good as they are all already getting paid for nothing. Phil us an *** clown the PGA made him 800 million. He should have been banned along time ago for his gambling & insider trading The PGA made him not the other way around...on top of the million upon millions of $$$ they have raised for charities over the yrs.....nobody in all the sports combined are close tonthe PGA in charity work
Hope he shoots a 100 tomorrow.......again the PGA made him not the other way around

Let's see DJ & Louis Oost said it best they want to play less but they still want their Millions for next to nothing
Someones off their meds again.
 
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greenknight

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I highly doubt that. 🤣
Besides playing golf is irrelevant to the conversation.
Learn your golf history my man
If there is no Ben Hogan, Billy Casper, Walter Hagen Bobby Jones. there is no Jack Nichlaus, Arnold palmer. Gary player tom watson, if you dont have those players there is no Phil or Tiger .or the current players.

See a pattern there is NO player bigger than the game the only one that came close is Tiger
Phil's Ego hinks he is much bigger than the game is. (NOTICE HE HAS NO SPONSORS) The truth of the matter is he has underperformed his whole career as he dud not put in 100% dedication to golf....Right out of Tiger's mouth not mine according tobthe greatest golfer phil should have won much more...maybe he should worry about playing golf and not so much about gambling on the course and hed have more money

Right out of their mouths they want to play less and not compete and still earn millions upon millions. Phil leaving is a no brainers they are paying him $200 mil for a HAS BEEN that will miss more cuts than he makes on tour.

A tournament w/o cuts is a participation trophy only their participation is not $$$
It's a clown show

Also Norman back when he was good...but blowing every big tournament tried to stick up the PGA for $$$ They dont have to play on the PGA but dont get your panties in a bunch when you get BANNED from the greatest golf platform on earth

Sergio that horses *** saying he cant wait to get away from the PGA....guess what he didnt have to play here he could have played on Eoropean tour but but he played here.

Dont talk to me about bring clueless. I've played in a number of junior events
 

greenknight

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The biggest joke is LIV is paying phil 200 mil while at the same time 10 amateurs are walking around the US Open course with lower score phil should thank his lucky stars there is a cut and not 54 holes he could be sitting at +20
 

WhiteBus

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Learn your golf history my man
If there is no Ben Hogan, Billy Casper, Walter Hagen Bobby Jones. there is no Jack Nichlaus, Arnold palmer. Gary player tom watson, if you dont have those players there is no Phil or Tiger .or the current players.

See a pattern there is NO player bigger than the game the only one that came close is Tiger
Phil's Ego hinks he is much bigger than the game is. (NOTICE HE HAS NO SPONSORS) The truth of the matter is he has underperformed his whole career as he dud not put in 100% dedication to golf....Right out of Tiger's mouth not mine according tobthe greatest golfer phil should have won much more...maybe he should worry about playing golf and not so much about gambling on the course and hed have more money

Right out of their mouths they want to play less and not compete and still earn millions upon millions. Phil leaving is a no brainers they are paying him $200 mil for a HAS BEEN that will miss more cuts than he makes on tour.

A tournament w/o cuts is a participation trophy only their participation is not $$$
It's a clown show

Also Norman back when he was good...but blowing every big tournament tried to stick up the PGA for $$$ They dont have to play on the PGA but dont get your panties in a bunch when you get BANNED from the greatest golf platform on earth

Sergio that horses *** saying he cant wait to get away from the PGA....guess what he didnt have to play here he could have played on Eoropean tour but but he played here.

Dont talk to me about bring clueless. I've played in a number of junior events
You are clueless. Completely wrong too. All the names you listed are known for winning majors not PGA Tour events. Jack and Arnold used to travel together to make money on non PGA Tour events because you couldn't earn a living on the Tour alone. So don't spin a bunch of baloney about the PGA Tour years ago.
Jack's first paycheck from the PGA for a tie for 3rd place was $33.33. You are the one needs history lessons.
 
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Xander, Hovland, Morikawa and Brooks?

Wow If true. Lots of rumors abound.

If that happens, then the PGA Tour has a real problem on their hands. Koepka wouldn't surprise me. Morikawa would as he seemed to pledge complete loyalty to the tour a few months ago.

To date, LIV has peeled off some has beens and then two guys in DJ and DeChambeau that probably weren't surprising to the Tour. But lose one of your young faces of the Tour in Morikawa? Whew boy.
 

greenknight

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You are clueless. Completely wrong too. All the names you listed are known for winning majors not PGA Tour events. Jack and Arnold used to travel together to make money on non PGA Tour events because you couldn't earn a living on the Tour alone. So don't spin a bunch of baloney about the PGA Tour years ago.
Jack's first paycheck from the PGA for a tie for 3rd place was $33.33. You are the one needs history lessons.
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You are clueless. Completely wrong too. All the names you listed are known for winning majors not PGA Tour events. Jack and Arnold used to travel together to make money on non PGA Tour events because you couldn't earn a living on the Tour alone. So don't spin a bunch of baloney about the PGA Tour years ago.
Jack's first paycheck from the PGA for a tie for 3rd place was $33.33. You are the one needs history lessons.
I'm not sure what your point is....makes absolutley no sense other than the prize money has progressed substantially over the years. You do know that Phil made more than $800 million because he was sble to bhave a platform to play professional golf due to the legends before him...
 

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There is only one person that deserved pay for play was Tiger he brought billions to the tour and notice he didnt push the envelope when he was thinking of starting his own tour or so was the rumor. Anybody that's playing the Liv just wants the guaranteed money w/o earning it nothing more than a glorified participation trophy you believe what you wish.
 
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greenknight

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No different than the like of Lebron & KD switching teams to pay their way into championship rings cause they cant do it themselves.

Sports have become pathetic now all of a sudden lebron would play with warriors because his sorry *** Lakers suck
 

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There is only one person that deserved pay for play was Tiger he brought billions to the tour and notice he didnt push the envelope when he was thinking of starting his own tour or so was the rumor. Anybody that's playing the Liv just wants the guaranteed money w/o earning it nothing more than a glorified participation trophy you believe what you wish.


why all the sudden is this frowned upon?

99% of Americans would take more guaranteed money especially if it meant less work.

Athletes in the four major sports in America have been doing this for decades…now it’s mocked when a golfer does it…

So strange
 

WhiteBus

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why all the sudden is this frowned upon?

99% of Americans would take more guaranteed money especially if it meant less work.

Athletes in the four major sports in America have been doing this for decades…now it’s mocked when a golfer does it…

So strange
Frowned upon? More like hate and anger from Chamblee and our own poster greenknight. Logic has taken a holiday for so many.
 
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greenknight

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Mike here is my problem....lers just take Phil because he is a pompous *** that thinks hes bigger than game just like Geeg Norman thought he was. Greg you could have always made a fortune playing professional golf in Australia...oops maybe not

Phil used the PGA platform to make $800 million. Now if the PGA wa not there he would have made zero on endorsements and been a club pro or worked a normal job like 99% of the US people. It is not the PGA tour's problem he squandered at least $40 mil gambling its probably more than that but ou ts only what he is owning up to

But now your 52 your chances of making the cuts in tourneys went from a guarantee to less than a 50/50 shot...your chance of cashing big is probably less than 20% the seniors tour pays what like 500K to win.

Now it's time to bad mouth the PGA and try to hedge your name to make more money with a threat...HE FAILED. He is a hypocrite and took $200 mil he should be banned permanently from the tour. Now most of those guys are has beens or never where's. Do you think phil gives a full k about winning he already cashed $200 mil. He should be kissing the PGA"s *** because w/o hes a no name guy with slot less zeros on his bank account.

Go to the Masters and fly into Augusta airport. None of these guys are starving the all arrive in private jets that line the grass areas alongside the runways. Go there Friday night and see how many private jets are gone after cut day
 

greenknight

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Frowned upon? More like hate and anger from Chamblee and our own poster greenknight. Logic has taken a holiday for so many.
White there are a ton of people heckling the golfers out there. The only one I give a pass too is Louis Oost. He has never been committed to playing golf and has always wanted to play less. He likes it but doesnt love it. This gives him an avenue to still play some Male afew bucks and keep his sponsors. Phil on the other hand is just a douchebag