OT: Phil Mickelson

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My thought from the beginning was that the best move for the PGA Tour is to let them play in LIV events but require them to play in the PGA tournament they're missing the following year if they want to keep Tour benefits. Not an ideal situation, but really the only choice they have against this machine built with blood money.

The PGA Tour and Jay Monahan royally screwed this up. This was never gonna threaten the tour. Now that it’s Tour or nothing…it’s gonna threaten the tour. So dumb
 

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Back to Phil, at the end of the day he may have lost his sponsors. However now he doesn’t have all the sponsor commitments. Only now to the LIV until he brings on new sponsors.
 
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Jtung230

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The PGA Tour and Jay Monahan royally screwed this up. This was never gonna threaten the tour. Now that it’s Tour or nothing…it’s gonna threaten the tour. So dumb
Why? Both tours will coexist until Saudis decide to stop funding it. i don’t think any of the LIV players are missed at the RBC this weekend. I also don’t think any of the LIV players miss playing in the RBC.
 

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Why? Both tours will coexist until Saudis decide to stop funding it. i don’t think any of the LIV players are missed at the RBC this weekend. I also don’t think any of the LIV players miss playing in the RBC.
DJ was sponsored by RBC. I think he is missed.
 
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The PGA Tour and Jay Monahan royally screwed this up. This was never gonna threaten the tour. Now that it’s Tour or nothing…it’s gonna threaten the tour. So dumb
I feel like the Tour did/is doing the right thing if this was like a regular start-up competitor -- like a USFL/XFL situation coming up to battle against the NFL. Draw a hard line, because the other league may not last more than a couple of seasons and there's tons of unknowns. This isn't a normal situation with the competitor willing to dump billions of dollars into this with zero regards for profits and expenses, so logics go completely out the window and Monahan is caught with his pants down.
 

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I’m just wondering if these same people were equally as upset when we participated in Olympics and World Cups held in both Russia and (more specifically) China in recent years.
Please be respectful the the ultra sensitive world we live in today. If something isn't perfect, they have the right to be angry and complain (eyeroll).
Hes a greedy scumbag who will miss more cuts on tour than he makes and will make more money playing in a has been tour. If he was t such a low life gambling piece of **** maybe he would have much more money of the 800 million plus he has made off the game. Pretty ironic another douchebag in Trump will be fielding a number of the LIV tourneys seeing as thre PGA pretty much banned him from the game....the whole world of sports is just **** now
Who pissed in your Cheerios?
Phil was making $30-$40 mill in endorsements. Now he’s making none. Gotta look at the whole picture
Instant mega payday for Phil. And you think he will never have a sponsor going forward to add to the jackpot?
 
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Jtung230

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Speaking of RBC. I’m always rooting for Rory but would like to see Finau break through.
 

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I’m just wondering if these same people were equally as upset when we participated in Olympics and World Cups held in both Russia and (more specifically) China in recent years.
I'm sure a lot were .
Some that were against those two events could be against the LIV Tour as well.
As for me, I much rather reply to what's being said in this thread in a non political way.

Whether or not I like the idea of this LIV Tour , it's happening and I feel it will have the financial support to outlast any opposition to it and become a major part of pro golf.
As for Phil, like him or not, his name being spotlighted by the media , right now, is putting the LIV Tour more in the public's eye then it would have if it was only the PGA trying to bring it down.
 
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Plenty of sponsorship opportunities on the LIV. Just different ones than the main PGA sponsors. No big deal.
The opportunities exist, but a lot of western firms will pass on it. I know my firm was directly approached but passed as they claim the Saudis run counterintuitive to our DEI program.

Those who take the money are going to somehow have to explain to investors how they can put up money for LIV rights yet claim they have a strong DEI program. You just know those questions are coming, and most companies try to stay out of those conversations, especially when they come from market whales.
 

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The opportunities exist, but a lot of western firms will pass on it. I know my firm was directly approached but passed as they claim the Saudis run counterintuitive to our DEI program.

Those who take the money are going to somehow have to explain to investors how they can put up money for LIV rights yet claim they have a strong DEI program. You just know those questions are coming, and most companies try to stay out of those conversations, especially when they come from market whales.
Then explain why almost every business deals with China in some form or another but everyone looks the other way.
 

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Then explain why almost every business deals with China in some form or another but everyone looks the other way.
The whole thing is largely a facade, completely agree. It’s just interesting seeing things get pretzeled up.
 

RU85inFla

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Many players were missed, which is why the PGA tour is in full freak out mode.
PGA tour isn’t in full freak out mode. I posted what I was told they were going to do weeks ago and they are doing exactly what I posted. Keep thinking you’ve got this one read right!! 😂
 

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Really? Proof? Must be his personality
Tiger, Phil, DJ. Dudes/Chicks dig the long ball. Name a player that draws better than those 3. Speith, JT,, Finau. Love them all but I’m not going to the course just to see them.
 

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The whole thing is largely a facade, completely agree. It’s just interesting seeing things get pretzeled up.
Nobody cares about all the countries with human rights violations but they are sure going after the LIV. I laugh at all these players condeming these guys at the same time they are wearing a Nike shirt.
 

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Tiger, Phil, DJ. Dudes/Chicks dig the long ball. Name a player that draws better than those 3. Speith, JT,, Finau. Love them all but I’m not going to the course just to see them.
its subjective. He might be in your top 5 but not majority. I think most will rank all 3 you mentioned above DJ. He has zero personality and is like a robot. I put Rahm and Morikawa ahead of him too.
 

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PGA tour isn’t in full freak out mode. I posted what I was told they were going to do weeks ago and they are doing exactly what I posted. Keep thinking you’ve got this one read right!! 😂

If they weren’t freaked, they wouldn’t have put such severe punishment in place for those who join the LIV.

I agree it’s not “full on” but PGA is certainly concerned, largely due to THEIR OWN choice.
 
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If they weren’t freaked, they wouldn’t have put such severe punishment in place for those who join the LIV.

I agree it’s not “full on” but PGA is certainly concerned, largely due to THEIR OWN choice.
Freaking out is doing something unexpected. They have telegraph this move way in advance. PGA got super lucky this weekend with the showcase last group at RBC and a dud at LIV.
 

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The opportunities exist, but a lot of western firms will pass on it. I know my firm was directly approached but passed as they claim the Saudis run counterintuitive to our DEI program.

Those who take the money are going to somehow have to explain to investors how they can put up money for LIV rights yet claim they have a strong DEI program. You just know those questions are coming, and most companies try to stay out of those conversations, especially when they come from market whales.

very little to do with DEI.

Much more to do abut public image. They partner with LIV…they get roasted. That’s much more a deterrent than DEI
 

Joey Bags

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At the end of the day the 4 majors are all I personally care about so I don’t really give a frenchman’s what happens to these tours as the 4 majors set their lineups independent of any tour bodies.
 

RU85inFla

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If they weren’t freaked, they wouldn’t have put such severe punishment in place for those who join the LIV.

I agree it’s not “full on” but PGA is certainly concerned, largely due to THEIR OWN choice.
Like I said weeks ago, I was told full suspensions were coming. Everyone knew LIV was coming for a year. PGA tour thought this out completely and did exactly what was planned.

you somehow think this was a surprise to the players and/or the PGA tour and it’s sponsors. You couldn’t be more wrong.
 

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Like I said weeks ago, I was told full suspensions were coming. Everyone knew LIV was coming for a year. PGA tour thought this out completely and did exactly what was planned.

you somehow think this was a surprise to the players and/or the PGA tour and it’s sponsors. You couldn’t be more wrong.

definitely not surprised LIV was happening.

i think the “surprise” was the big names leaving. Don’t think the PGA tour would have thought so many top 50s would be leaving.
 

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The opportunities exist, but a lot of western firms will pass on it. I know my firm was directly approached but passed as they claim the Saudis run counterintuitive to our DEI program.

Those who take the money are going to somehow have to explain to investors how they can put up money for LIV rights yet claim they have a strong DEI program. You just know those questions are coming, and most companies try to stay out of those conversations, especially when they come from market whales.
Does your company do business in China?
 

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definitely not surprised LIV was happening.

i think the “surprise” was the big names leaving. Don’t think the PGA tour would have thought so many top 50s would be leaving.
Nobody that left is a surprise except maybe DJ.
 

Mikemarc

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Not if you pay attention to golf, which from your comments in this thread is a new endeavor.

Stop making this personal…jeesh.

i guess the writers at golf monthly also don’t pay attention to golf as they call Bubba and Wolff going to LIV surprises as well.


golf channel calls Bryson a “surprising” blow to Tour. Guess they don’t follow much golf either, lol


You’ve been so anti LIV in this thread for months…seems like your view my be skewed a bit,