OT: Oppenheimer
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Only question. Do they do any revisionist ******** history where we could have just asked nicer and Japan would have surrendered unconditionally? And thus America dropped the bombs just to be jerks. (Go to museum in Hiroshima if you want that bs version)
Would be one reason I would skip seeing it.
Would be one reason I would skip seeing it.
There were factions in Los Alamos who advocated not using it at all. I thought it was balanced without being preachy. Didnt show any of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. People are already bitching that Nolan didnt show that but he had good reason not to in terms on the context of the film.
Im 100 percent of the belief that using the bombs was the right choice. Always have been
Excited to see. Fun fact, US government is still issuing Purple Hearts to soldiers/families today that were made in later stages of WW2 in anticipation of the soldiers that would have been lost invading Japan. The bombs were the right choice.
Its merciful to end war swiftly. Not keep them going hy trying not to hurt people you end up hurting anyways.
The atrocities in China alone before Pearl Harbor were a good enough excuse for me.
I was adopted into a childless family a generation removed. Parents were both near 40.
Every Uncle I had served, my father included.
Uncle Al was in Okinawa awaiting the invasion. He had already been in Guadacanal, third wave on Tarawa, Tinian, and more. He made a display box of some of what he found. A flag, Japanese bayonet, soldiers reed slippers, etc. He was firmly convinced the bomb saved his life. These stories and men shaped my view of those events.
The bombs killed many, but the invasion would have killed more by a power of 10 most likely. Sucked for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but save a million or more other Japanse, not to mention our own troops.
Japan earned what they got in August of 1945.
Al died with Japanese shapnel in his leg in 2013. He never took a Purple Heart. 2nd Marines then only accepted them if evacuated.
That was one tough generation.
I was adopted into a childless family a generation removed. Parents were both near 40.
Every Uncle I had served, my father included.
Uncle Al was in Okinawa awaiting the invasion. He had already been in Guadacanal, third wave on Tarawa, Tinian, and more. He made a display box of some of what he found. A flag, Japanese bayonet, soldiers reed slippers, etc. He was firmly convinced the bomb saved his life. These stories and men shaped my view of those events.
The bombs killed many, but the invasion would have killed more by a power of 10 most likely. Sucked for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but save a million or more other Japanse, not to mention our own troops.
Japan earned what they got in August of 1945.
Al died with Japanese shapnel in his leg in 2013. He never took a Purple Heart. 2nd Marines then only accepted them if evacuated.
That was one tough generation.
My grandpa was a kid back home on the farm while he had 3 of 4 brothers serving in the pacific during the war. He would get very emotional telling me about what it felt like to be the only boy left at home when his brothers were off at war taking on kamikazes towards their ships. All of his brothers made it back home alive. He too was expecting the worse if the war didn’t end soon.
Albert, I really did have an Uncle Albert! Hated Japanese to the day he died. Called them an epithet not known for decency.
I guess this happens when a Nationality tried for 3 years to specifically kill him.
Can't say how I'd feel if I were in a war at one time, but I think Japan is a beautiful country and the Japanese a nice and slightly misunderstood people.
That being said agree with the bombs being dropped. Think the Japanese would too if they thought about it. Not sure how they would have liked Hokkaido and half of Honshu being occupied by the soviets for 50+ years like eastern Europe
Understand the utter sadness caused by the death of so many civilians, but if you are ever in Hiroshima and feel the bombing was justified, id recommend skipping the peace museum. See the garden outside and the A-bomb dome of course. But the museum? Revisionist ******** that ignores Japans actions that led to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
They decry civilian deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but pretend the atrocities in Nanking did not occurr.
I do agree that now they may be peaceful, but any society can be riled to violence with the right leader and ambitions.
They were anything but peaceful and misunderstood in 1945. More ruthless than the Germans I would argue.
Koreans pretty much feel the same as your uncle. Maybe that would change if the Japanese leaders would ever offer a sincere apology for all of their atrocities instead of forever whitewashing everything they did. But now Korea has to overlook all of that since a united front against China is a priority.
They fought war in a nasty way.
Comfot women. Barracks of comfort womem.
They were soundly defeated, but are not able to say “We are so sorry”.
They are lucky Kyoto was taken off target list. Revisionist excuses are just that.
Japan was an ugly enemy in 1945.
Remember hearing Japan got pissed at a comfort women memorial outside the Japanese embassy in Seoul I believe. Ballsy move by someone.
Love Japan and can't wait to visit again, but their handling of WW2 was to basically stick their heads in sand. Complete opposite of Germany as far as owning up. Not a good look.
Germany definitely doesn't have anything like the Yakasuni shrine that I'm aware of.
Most therapists reccommend accepting what you have done, and apoligise for it before you can heal.
Japan is still in blame mode 78 years later.
Saw it this morning. Loved it!
I recommend seeing it in theaters or on a good home theater system to appreciate the sound throughout the entire movie. I went in thinking the only use of intense audio was going to be during the actual explosion of the bomb, but it's interwoven throughout the entire movie.
And no, there was no apologist "sorry for nuking Japan" stuff. They even point out far more people were killed in the fire bombings of Tokyo. The only real messaging in the moving, is that nuclear war between countries would be horrific, especially with hydrogen bombs.
I recommend seeing it in theaters or on a good home theater system to appreciate the sound throughout the entire movie. I went in thinking the only use of intense audio was going to be during the actual explosion of the bomb, but it's interwoven throughout the entire movie.
And no, there was no apologist "sorry for nuking Japan" stuff. They even point out far more people were killed in the fire bombings of Tokyo. The only real messaging in the moving, is that nuclear war between countries would be horrific, especially with hydrogen bombs.
Sometimes after I read a good WW2 book I think about all the stories that will probably never get told and how amazing they were. It blows my mind to think about that time period with essentially an entire planet at war with varying degrees of technology.
The movie was outstanding. It showed Oppenheimer's life flaws and all. It wasn't preachy if you're worried about having your feelings hurt for some stupid reason.
I personally loved the science behind it, particularly the bit about discovering black holes even if that wasn't related to the plot.
Science and seeing all of Florence Pugh a few times made it all worthwhile to me.
I personally loved the science behind it, particularly the bit about discovering black holes even if that wasn't related to the plot.
Science and seeing all of Florence Pugh a few times made it all worthwhile to me.
Great movie. Saw it today. Had some trouble hearing their voices clearly through all the music being played. Maybe my ears ain't that great anymore. Lol
I cannot do movies or TV without subtitles.
The things you learn to live with.
I really want to see this movie.
Great movie with outstanding acting performances. I loved the blending of science and the excitement of creation vs the instant feeling of remorse and regret.
Interesting comment. Haven’t seen it yet but plan on it. Can you elaborate on the areas of the movie are historical fiction written by the winners and not historical fiction written by Hollywood writers? Thanks
Many more were killed by conventional bombing. It was not to be jerks - is was to test a new weapon and a show of force to the Russians who were crushing Japan in Manchuria.
General Dwight Eisenhower voiced his opposition at Potsdam. "The Japanese were already defeated," he told Secretary of War Henry Stimson, "and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." Admiral William Leahy, President Harry Truman's chief of staff, said that the "Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender….The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan." General Douglas MacArthur said that the Japanese would have gladly surrendered as early as May if the U.S. had told them they could keep the emperor. Similar views were voiced by Admirals Chester Nimitz, Ernest King and William Halsey, and General Henry Arnold.
I have never read anything by historians that are of the opinion that the Japanese were ready to surrender in the spring/summer of 1945. Hell, they weren't ready to surrender after the first bomb was dropped. It is true that the Japanese were beaten, but they were not going to stop fighting - especially on their own soil.
The military leadership knew they were defeated from historians I’ve read. The people were still very devoted to their emperor and wouldn’t have quit the fight within their borders on their land. The emperor was seen in godlike visions, the people weren’t going to stop unless the emperor told them to do so.
I've heard from many that it's great. Have to say that I'm a bit surprised and pleased that a film about a 1940s colony of scientists can compete with all of the action and adventure flicks that seem to dominate these days.
Haha .. so why did they not surrender after the first nuke. I dismantled your argument in 17 nano seconds.
They didn't surrender after the first nuclear bomb. Think about that. Mind blowing.
Well, when they literally thought their leader was God, you don’t quit until he says…