My post was in response to the guy implying that the war could have ended without the use or the A-bombs. If you weren't ready to surrender after the world's first atomic bomb then were you truly ready to surrender under any circumstance?
OT: Oppenheimer
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It's Nolan's best movie to date IMO. At this point I'd say it is the frontrunner (by a mile) for this year's Best Picture award as well as multiple other Oscars.
A really good film provokes thought and debate. Just reading through this thread about the need for the bomb to end WWII and the impacts on Japan is evidence this film does that.
A really good film provokes thought and debate. Just reading through this thread about the need for the bomb to end WWII and the impacts on Japan is evidence this film does that.
I thought it was great. Didn’t even feel like 3 hours. It starts kinda weird … with Oppenheimer trying to poison his professor which just gets glossed over
I remember the number being 500,000 American soldiers. Unimaginable.
America was war weary. This had to end. Fast forward 75 years and they are a great ally.
Also fast forward 75 years and America can never tire of war - it’s far too lucrative for unelected leaders
Eisenhower was right
Some people (not all) read your history. Nukes were used and it's freakin sad, to this day. These numbers are from Okinawa, little *** island. WHAT? Do you think numbers would have been for both sides, if we had invaded the mainland???? Nukes were the right call. Sorry no cliffs.
Full Skinny link https://library.tamucc.edu/exhibits...Okinawa, April,the Americans and the Japanese.
Japanese losses, too, were staggering. They suffered 107,539 killed and it is estimated that approximately 24,000 were lost after being sealed in caves.[11] There were more Japanese taken prisoner in this battle than any other in the Pacific War. By battle’s end, there were more than 16,000 Japanese and Okinawan auxiliaries who had surrendered, a truly unprecedented event.[12] Also taking part in the battle was the Japanese battleship, Yamato. This was the world’s largest and most powerful battleship.[13] American submarines and planes found the Yamato and she was attacked and sunk with the loss of most of the crew.
Even more appalling than the losses of the Americans and the Japanese were those suffered by the Okinawans. There were more than 140,000 Okinawans killed.[14] This was more than the losses of the Americans and Japanese combined. A large portion of these were attributed to the introduction, by the Japanese military, of group suicide which will be addressed later.
Full Skinny link https://library.tamucc.edu/exhibits...Okinawa, April,the Americans and the Japanese.
Japanese losses, too, were staggering. They suffered 107,539 killed and it is estimated that approximately 24,000 were lost after being sealed in caves.[11] There were more Japanese taken prisoner in this battle than any other in the Pacific War. By battle’s end, there were more than 16,000 Japanese and Okinawan auxiliaries who had surrendered, a truly unprecedented event.[12] Also taking part in the battle was the Japanese battleship, Yamato. This was the world’s largest and most powerful battleship.[13] American submarines and planes found the Yamato and she was attacked and sunk with the loss of most of the crew.
Even more appalling than the losses of the Americans and the Japanese were those suffered by the Okinawans. There were more than 140,000 Okinawans killed.[14] This was more than the losses of the Americans and Japanese combined. A large portion of these were attributed to the introduction, by the Japanese military, of group suicide which will be addressed later.
Well at least never tire of the business of war. Fight them yourselves? Nah. Sell them killin machines.
My dad was in the Navy and headed to Japan when they dropped the bomb. He then was involved with the “post bombing survey”. I’ve got amazing original plates of official photographs that I need to find a museum for. Some are from the surrender signing. Most are from the damage on the ground.
Yeah, "providing for the common defense" shouldn't include sending troops to every corner of the world to interfere in every 3rd world country squabble?
PBS put out a documentary "The Bomb" in 2016 that is very well done. It goes into more detail of the development of the bomb, but covers the relationship between GEN Graves and "Oppie". The video also goes into more detail on the pro and cons of dropping the weapon. I handled some ADM's (atomic demolitions munitions) while I was in the Army, so I had a high interest in the film and the PBS video. If you have an interest in this sort of thing, I recommend buying the PBS video. It ties the flim together.
But what about when Openeimer had his weiner road by a naked communist. Do they cover that on pbs
Only question. Do they do any revisionist ******** history where we could have just asked nicer and Japan would have surrendered unconditionally? And thus America dropped the bombs just to be jerks. (Go to museum in Hiroshima if you want that bs version)
No, but Truman was kind of a heartless bastard. Never thought of him that way
People really need to know about the horrors of Nanking.
That and how awful the German campaign against Russia
The Japanese did not surrender even after we practically burned down Tokyo by fire bombing it. Even after the emperor and some of the leading military leaders agreed to surrender there was a failed last minute attempt of a coup by renegade military officers.