OT: NY Mets Season

[RuBird]

It won't. Voters are traditionalists.

Max would not come close to his total wins either.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Max would not come close to his total wins either.

Doesn't matter. In fact if the voting were held today, I would not be surprised if deGrom finished third, behind Scherzer and Nola. Nola is 14-3 with a 2.24 ERA. Nola actually has the best WAR of the three at 8.1, with Scherzer at 7.5 and deGrom at 7.0. That said, I don't think the voters will pay much heed to WAR - but they will to W-L.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Golden sombrero tonight. I think reversion to the mean has begun.

You just outed yourself as the one. All he's done has been positive since arriving.

 

[Knight Shift]

Was at game. Crowd was disappointing, hardly into it at all. Of course they had very little to cheer about.

Don't remember if it was this game or another, but for a team contending for the NL title, it seemed like there were a lot of empty seats.

We were in Philly on Thursday for a college visit. Had we realized the Mets were playing in Philly, would have fun to watch the beat down game.

 

[Doctor Worm]

You just outed yourself as the one. All he's done has been positive since arriving.

Absolutely. He's been playing at MVP level. But he's got a career body of work that says he's far from an MVP. Hence, reversion to the mean.

 

[Knight Shift]

Doesn't matter. In fact if the voting were held today, I would not be surprised if deGrom finished third, behind Scherzer and Nola. Nola is 14-3 with a 2.24 ERA. Nola actually has the best WAR of the three at 8.1, with Scherzer at 7.5 and deGrom at 7.0. That said, I don't think the voters will pay much heed to WAR - but they will to W-L.

Are you sure about WAR? Or is "fWAR" something different? F War, LOL, that's a great hashtag.

 

[yesrutgers01]

So- taking a look at deGrom's season, on just about any other team he would be at minimum, 18-3 currently 8-7...Here are his loses and no decisions
IP H ER K's
7 4 0 10 ND - should be a win +1 win
4 2 0 6 ND - does not change
1 0 0 2 ND - does not change
7 4 0 8 ND - should be a win +2 win
7 5 1 8 ND - should be a win +3 win
7 7 1 13 ND - should be a win +4 win
8 4 2 8 L - should be a win +5 win -1 loss
7 7 1 7 L - should be a win +6 win - 2 loss
6 5 3 6 L - does not change but by standards, not horrible
6 6 3 10 L - see above
8 4 1 8 ND - should be a win +7 win - 2 loss
8 5 0 7 ND - should be a win +8 win - 2 loss
8 5 2 10 L - should be a win +9 win - 3 loss
7 8 3 5 L - stay the same but not a bad start
8 6 2 9 L - should be a win +10 wins -4 loss

In his 15 ND/L games he has a total of
99 innings pitched 70 hits 19 ER's 117 K's

Like many of you, been watching baseball for 50+ years and have never seen anything like this. Yes, I have seen a few pitchers pitch this well over a year but they all ended up with huge win totals. I have never seen a barely 500 pitcher this dominate.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Per a Vegas report, Dom Smith to be recalled today.

 

[WhiteBus]

Do any Mets fans find tonights venue exciting? I doubt it will draw many non-Phillies/Mets fan eyeballs to the TV sets tonight. No one in Philly likes giving up a home game for this. It nice for the little leaguers but not many others.

 

[RU05]

Per a Vegas report, Dom Smith to be recalled today.

Undeservedly so. Much rather see the older prospect who is tearing it up.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Undeservedly so. Much rather see the older prospect who is tearing it up.

Rightly or wrongly, the term "older prospect" is pretty much an oxymoron.

 

[RU05]

Rightly or wrongly, the term "older prospect" is pretty much an oxymoron.

Kind of, but not really.

 

[RuBird]

So Vargas gets the start in Williamsport. Better be careful as a few of these little league pitchers could easily take his start

 

[rurahrah000]

Dom Smith just doubled his RBI total for the year.

 

[Knight Shift]

And the Mets win!

 

[Knight Shift]

So strange to see Mets and Phillies shaking hands at end. Great game for the Little League players.

 

[WhiteBus]

Boring game but entertaining TV because of the LL involved. Next year Pirates vs Cubs.

 

[Doctor Worm]

So strange to see Mets and Phillies shaking hands at end. Great game for the Little League players.

It's strange that that is strange. Is there any other sport where the competitors do not congratulate one another afterwards? Baseball is weird that way. The winning players congratulate one another while the losers slink away quietly.

 

[Plum Street]

I posted this in the LL thread, but also going to post it here too for the Mets fans. The Mets didn’t show up for the Staten Island game yesterday. A little league team from the same city is playing and you don’t bother to show up? Terribile job by the Mets.

 

[WhiteBus]

It's strange that that is strange. Is there any other sport where the competitors do not congratulate one another afterwards? Baseball is weird that way. The winning players congratulate one another while the losers slink away quietly.

The winning team is alone on the field. The losing team is in the dugout. Also Hockey only does it in the playoffs and only after a series is over. There is no shaking hands after any other games. College football hardly ever see it happen and certainly not on a team scale.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The winning team is alone on the field. The losing team is in the dugout. Also Hockey only does it in the playoffs and only after a series is over. There is no shaking hands after any other games. College football hardly ever see it happen and certainly not on a team scale.

In football it seems to happen a little more because of a few things- first, these guys are engaging in a hand to hand battle for 3 hours and maybe more important, not sure if it is contractual or not but it does seem tha the HC are under obligation to find each other and shake hands at the end of the game.

 

[Section124]

It's strange that that is strange. Is there any other sport where the competitors do not congratulate one another afterwards? Baseball is weird that way. The winning players congratulate one another while the losers slink away quietly.

My guess is it's due to baseball being played in a series of games. Why congratulate the winning team in the first or second game of a 3 game series? If you don't don't do it after each game, makes it weird to do at the end of the series. Now LL/High school does it after each game. At least it did when I played.

 

[rurichdog]

It's strange that that is strange. Is there any other sport where the competitors do not congratulate one another afterwards? Baseball is weird that way. The winning players congratulate one another while the losers slink away quietly.

Hockey only does the handshake in the playoffs. During the regular season, the final horn sounds and each team heads for their respective locker rooms.

 

[WhiteBus]

In football it seems to happen a little more because of a few things- first, these guys are engaging in a hand to hand battle for 3 hours and maybe more important, not sure if it is contractual or not but it does seem tha the HC are under obligation to find each other and shake hands at the end of the game.

And in the NFL it isnt an organized thing. More players head straight to the locker room than stay on the field.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

I posted this in the LL thread, but also going to post it here too for the Mets fans. The Mets didn’t show up for the Staten Island game yesterday. A little league team from the same city is playing and you don’t bother to show up? Terribile job by the Mets.

Come'on man! Tell the whole story. [roll]
Here's a quote from the NY Post on the situation with the Mets and the Staten Island team:

A rep with Little League International said the Mets missed the game because of scheduling. A Mets spokesman said the team’s schedule was handled by Major League Baseball.

“The scheduling is done way in advance, and we didn’t know who was going to be playing in that game until earlier this week,” Little League International spokesman Brian McClintock said. “Travel was pre-arranged. So we knew the window was going to be close, and we were hoping they would be here to cheer on their hometown.”

The Mets were scheduled to arrive at the Little League World Series complex at 12:40 p.m., cutting too close to catch any of the 11 a.m. game.

 

[Plum Street]

Come'on man! Tell the whole story. [roll]
Here's a quote from the NY Post on the situation with the Mets and the Staten Island team:

Cmon man. They knew for what 2-3 days Staten Island was playing in that game. mLB can’t move up a charter flight an hour or so? And the Mets and/or MLB baseball are that out of touch to miss that moment?

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

Come'on man! Tell the whole story. [roll]
Here's a quote from the NY Post on the situation with the Mets and the Staten Island team:

Just fake news by a Yankee fan.

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

Cmon man. They knew for what 2-3 days Staten Island was playing in that game. mLB can’t move up a charter flight an hour or so? And the Mets and/or MLB baseball are that out of touch to miss that moment?

You got Yankee fans that don't even know when
a playoff game is!:sunglasses:

 

[Knight Shift]

Painful ending last night. This is from the SNY blog--anyone agree? (and where does Wilmer play if Smith gets 1B?) :
" Dominic Smith should be playing virtually everyday for New York ... at first base. What the Mets have done to this kid since the end of last season borders on criminal. Nothing should have been handed to him, but a former first-round pick who has improved every season of his career until he stumbled during his Major League debut deserves some chance to prove his worth. The Mets have messed this up -- and perhaps Smith's potential career -- royally."

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

Thankfully didn't trade Wheeler for peanuts

 

[Knight Shift]

Thankfully didn't trade Wheeler for peanuts

Or Charlie Brown!

Is that Blevins?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Painful ending last night. This is from the SNY blog--anyone agree? (and where does Wilmer play if Smith gets 1B?) :
" Dominic Smith should be playing virtually everyday for New York ... at first base. What the Mets have done to this kid since the end of last season borders on criminal. Nothing should have been handed to him, but a former first-round pick who has improved every season of his career until he stumbled during his Major League debut deserves some chance to prove his worth. The Mets have messed this up -- and perhaps Smith's potential career -- royally."

I would dispute this blog post with every fiber of my being, except that most of the fibers of my being really don't care.

But those few fibers which do care ask: When did the Mets mess up Smith's career royally?

• Was it last year when they traded the incumbent at his position to open it up for him?
• Or perhaps when they ordered him, totally against his will, to show up 25 pounds overweight?
• I know! It was when they DID hand him the job - all he had to do was keep it - which he could not do. Couldn't even crack the Reyes line.
• Meantime his competitor for the job (Alonso) is tearing it up and leapfrogs him in the organizational hierarchy. But the Mets don't give up on him. They give him the opportunity to increase his value by increasing his positional flexibility. I guess that messed him up too.
• And did the Mets mess up his hitting stroke too, as he posted very pedestrian AAA offensive numbers in a hitter friendly league?

The blogger is correct - Dom Smith deserves some chance to do his worth. He is getting EVERY chance.

 

[Zak57]

So glad McNeil was left down all year for no reason at all.

Reyes on this team all year is just a frigging joke. Callaway still playing the vets over the younger kids in a year they need to see what they have is also a joke. How can there be so many dumb people running this team?

 

[Doctor Worm]

So glad McNeil was left down all year for no reason at all.

Reyes on this team all year is just a frigging joke. Callaway still playing the vets over the younger kids in a year they need to see what they have is also a joke. How can there be so many dumb people running this team?

1) Mets handled McNeil just fine. Remember his 2016 and 2017 seasons were pretty much a washout due to injuries. He really wasn't on anyone's radar screen at the start of the season - he didn't even get an invite to major league preseason camp! He tore it up at AA, and the Mets promoted him to AAA. He tore it up there, so the Mets brought him up as soon as they had room in the lineup for him. That was when Cabrera left. No point in bringing him up to have him sit on the bench.

2) I think that if either Rivera or Cecchini had been healthy, Reyes would have been gone long ago. That said, I think Guillorme should have been here in Reyes' place. Really no big deal though. Reyes is not the reason for 55-69, or whatever it is.

3) What young kids should be playing that are not? There ain't no young kids. That's the problem.

 

[Zak57]

1) Mets handled McNeil just fine. Remember his 2016 and 2017 seasons were pretty much a washout due to injuries. He really wasn't on anyone's radar screen at the start of the season - he didn't even get an invite to major league preseason camp! He tore it up at AA, and the Mets promoted him to AAA. He tore it up there, so the Mets brought him up as soon as they had room in the lineup for him. That was when Cabrera left. No point in bringing him up to have him sit on the bench.

2) I think that if either Rivera or Cecchini had been healthy, Reyes would have been gone long ago. That said, I think Guillorme should have been here in Reyes' place. Really no big deal though. Reyes is not the reason for 55-69, or whatever it is.

3) What young kids should be playing that are not? There ain't no young kids. That's the problem.

McNeil should have been called up in June. He's 26 and he was on a lot of people's radar's. Don't forget they then made that stupid he could only play 2b comment only to delay his call up another few weeks.

Reyes is one of the worst players in baseball. He should have been cut in May. Any competent team doesn't give him a full season of ABs like we have. He's a symbol of Wilpon incompetence.

Smith should be playing everyday to see if he has anything left going forward. McNeil should not be sitting against lefties. Brentz should be up. He should be able to see if he can be bench player next year. Alonso should be up.

 

[megadrone]

McNeil should have been called up in June. He's 26 and he was on a lot of people's radar's. Don't forget they then made that stupid he could only play 2b comment only to delay his call up another few weeks.

Reyes is one of the worst players in baseball. He should have been cut in May. Any competent team doesn't give him a full season of ABs like we have. He's a symbol of Wilpon incompetence.

Smith should be playing everyday to see if he has anything left going forward. McNeil should not be sitting against lefties. Brentz should be up. He should be able to see if he can be bench player next year. Alonso should be up.

But there's a conflict between Smith and Alonso. Not sure if the Smith outfield experiment is working.

it seems like the Mets management still believes they have the core of a winning team and aren't in rebuilding mode, so it's safe to play Frazier, Vargas, et al. and not seeing if Smith or Alonso is really the 1B of the future.

 

[Zak57]

But there's a conflict between Smith and Alonso. Not sure if the Smith outfield experiment is working.

it seems like the Mets management still believes they have the core of a winning team and aren't in rebuilding mode, so it's safe to play Frazier, Vargas, et al. and not seeing if Smith or Alonso is really the 1B of the future.

I'll give you the Smith/Alonso thing you are right. Doesn't look like they want Alonso up which I can sort of justify but then Smith should be getting every 1B AB there is.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Not for nothing but the team has been performing much better of late while going against teams still playing for something. Gives you hope for next year with a very strong top of the rotation if they can produce any consistent offense at all. Over the last month or so they've been much better in that regard.

 

[megadrone]

Not for nothing but the team has been performing much better of late while going against teams still playing for something. Gives you hope for next year with a very strong top of the rotation if they can produce any consistent offense at all. Over the last month or so they've been much better in that regard.

They were getting no offensive production out of anybody. At least Conforto has been playing better since the ASB.

In typical Mets fashion, they'll think they have a solid nucleus, do nothing serious to address the problems (3B, Catcher, 1B, RF) and we'll be saying the same thing again next August.

 

[rurahrah000]

Not for nothing but the team has been performing much better of late while going against teams still playing for something. Gives you hope for next year with a very strong top of the rotation if they can produce any consistent offense at all. O

They need to fix defense and relief pitching. Hitting may come around. Starting pitching should be solid. We could have a rotation of deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler and then some combination of Matz,Oswalt and Vargas as # 4/5. Bullpen could be better with Lugo, Gsellman, one of the three (Matz, Oswalt and Vargas). I have hope.