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Knight Shift

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A telling moment from today's game. Tie score, bottom 10, winning run on first, no outs, Dom Smith up. Dodger infield shifts all the way around, giving him the entire left side. Mets eschew the bunt, and Smith strikes out.

Callaway admits he thought about bunting, but did not because Smith had never bunted before in his entire minor league career.

This one is not on Mickey. This is on Sandy. I know the bunt is not in vogue anymore, but shouldn't players be learning basic fundamentals in the minors?

I get that Smith was probably the best hitter on every minor league team he's been on. And I'm sure his managers wanted him swinging the bat. That's where Sandy should be establishing and implementing organizational policy. Minor leaguers should be developing their entire range of skills needed for the majors, even if it means learning through failure.
Fat Men Can't Bunt
 

RUaMoose_rivals

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If you would have told me back in mid-April the Reds would have a higher winning percentage than the Mets by the end of June I would have said you're Nuts !
 
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If you would have told me back in mid-April the Reds would have a higher winning percentage than the Mets by the end of June I would have said you're Nuts !

Well, they have Matt Harvey now, so that must be why. [roll]



I thought Callaway was the pitching expert? Well, it seems Cincy has worked out some issue concerning Harvey. Check this out:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2...adjustments-fastball-velocity-slider-movement
 

Knight Shift

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I thought Callaway was the pitching expert? Well, it seems Cincy has worked out some issue concerning Harvey. Check this out:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2...adjustments-fastball-velocity-slider-movement
That's just a bunch of spin.

Can the Mets trade Callaway for another Mickey?
 
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Zak57

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More awful lineup decisions tonight. For some reason we could finally give Kacsmarki(sp?) a shot to play tonight against the righty but instead we have Smith in the OF still and Plawecki at 1B. Reyes still at SS for no reason.
 
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RU4Real

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The second question is very easy to answer. Dom Smith does not know how to bunt because he never did it. The first question is the more troublesome.

I had this conversation, today, with three people - all baseball fans. One is a Mets fan, the other two are not.

The Mets fan pretty much echoed what's been said on the subject, in this thread.

The other two simply didn't believe me.

That's how completely out of touch this organization is. You have a situation, the club's representative explains the situation and when you relate that explanation to disinterested baseball fans with no prior knowledge of the situation their reaction is, "I don't believe you."
 
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bdodger3

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RU4Real - agree with you 100%. It is astonishing that an organization in such a competitive and lucrative environment would be so inept. I am a firm believer that strong organizations must have excellent leadership. The Mets' ownership is so inadequate that it is virtually impossible for the team to be successful on a consistent basis.
 

Doctor Worm

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RU4Real - agree with you 100%. It is astonishing that an organization in such a competitive and lucrative environment would be so inept. I am a firm believer that strong organizations must have excellent leadership. The Mets' ownership is so inadequate that it is virtually impossible for the team to be successful on a consistent basis.
I don't totally agree with this. You don't need a Steinbrenner or a Jerry Jones to win. A passive ownership style can work just fine - as long as ownership puts the right leader in place and gives him the support needed to do his job. Problem is, it's becoming increasingly clear that Alderson is not that guy. Or at least, is no longer that guy. The question is do the Wilpons believe this, and if so, are they willing to act?

We can clamor all we want about the Wilpons selling the team. Ain't happening. If your well-being as a Mets fan is dependent on their selling the team, better find another team.
 

Doctor Worm

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Does this team make a roster move every damn day? Sure seems that way.

Today's transaction: Tyler Bashior up, Chris Flexen down. I do hope they let him keep his frequent flyer miles.
 
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bdodger3

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I don't totally agree with this. You don't need a Steinbrenner or a Jerry Jones to win. A passive ownership style can work just fine - as long as ownership puts the right leader in place and gives him the support needed to do his job. Problem is, it's becoming increasingly clear that Alderson is not that guy. Or at least, is no longer that guy. The question is do the Wilpons believe this, and if so, are they willing to act?

We can clamor all we want about the Wilpons selling the team. Ain't happening. If your well-being as a Mets fan is dependent on their selling the team, better find another team.

DoctorWorm - I agree with you that ownership does not have to be in the Steinbrenner/Jones mode. There are certainly different styles of ownership that can be successful. My view is that regardless of style the Wilpon/Katz ownership style is simply not competent. And while passive ownership is neither good nor bad per se, the Wilpons are not an example of passive ownership. Although they may not be as publicity hungry as Steinbrenner/Jones, they are actively involved in the management of the franchise. Since they are not competent in this arena it is all the more frustrating.

As far as the Wilpons selling the team I agree with you. I mentioned that in a prior post. They don't need the money and ownership of the Mets is what Jeff Wilpon wants to do with his life. It is extremely unlikely the family sells as long as Jeff wants to run the team. Very unfortunate for Mets fans.
 
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Knight Shift

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Was just about to post about Jameson Taillison throwing a no hitter into the 7th and superhero Jose Reyes breaks it up. Knight Report preemptive jinx?
 
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Cat got your tongue or did mom turn off your TV privileges?
Anyway you can't fire ownership. Do Mets fans want a full reload? Feel bad for deGrom. Guy is lights out.
Lmao at you. Your idea of being adventurous is going over to a mets thread and “rubbing it in”. I’m with your mom rn and my tongue has your moms cat if you know what I mean
 

WhiteBus

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Lmao at you. Your idea of being adventurous is going over to a mets thread and “rubbing it in”. I’m with your mom rn and my tongue has your moms cat if you know what I mean
Ha. Well that is disturbing. My mom passed away over 30 years ago. I guess your only shot is with dead people.
 

RuBird

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Daughter got me tickets for Fathers Day game in July. I am going. Hoping to see lots of new players mixed in with Nimmo Conforto and Rosario. Dismantle the team now. Trade either Jake now or Thor when healthy. If Wilpons won’t spend money, the farm system is years away from truly helping
 

Mr. Magoo1

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If they fire Sandy, which I feel they should,who hires the next GM? Oh crap, the Wilpons have to make that decision, and the beat goes on and on and on.

Unfortunately, you are correct. It will not stop until people stop going to the games...and that won’t happen either.
 

RU4Real

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Daughter got me tickets for Fathers Day game in July. I am going. Hoping to see lots of new players mixed in with Nimmo Conforto and Rosario. Dismantle the team now. Trade either Jake now or Thor when healthy. If Wilpons won’t spend money, the farm system is years away from truly helping

Same here - we're going on the 8th. What the hell, it's a day out with the kid.
 

rurichdog

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The second question is very easy to answer. Dom Smith does not know how to bunt because he never did it. The first question is the more troublesome.
That's like a PGA Tour golfer who doesn't know how to hit a sand wedge. Every Little League player was taught how to bunt the damn ball. He could be honest and say "I haven't bunted in 10 years" but to say he never learned how to bunt and he's in the majors? My mind is blown if true.
 
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Daughter got me tickets for Fathers Day game in July. I am going. Hoping to see lots of new players mixed in with Nimmo Conforto and Rosario. Dismantle the team now. Trade either Jake now or Thor when healthy. If Wilpons won’t spend money, the farm system is years away from truly helping
Are you sure you want to trade away an ace? Mets don't have a history of getting quality back in return when they trade pitchers. Think of Seaver back in the day. Besides, quality pitching is rare these days. How many teams have an ace let alone two? If the Mets had an abundance of quality pitchers, then I'm more inclined to trade Noah or deGrom for quality position players. You have some tier two guys you could trade for some solid prospects. I don't see teams giving up a few tops prospects and MLB ready talent for an ace. Also, you have control of Noah and deGrom for the next few seasons, so it seems foolish to trade them at this point.
 

Doctor Worm

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That's like a PGA Tour golfer who doesn't know how to hit a sand wedge. Every Little League player was taught how to bunt the damn ball. He could be honest and say "I haven't bunted in 10 years" but to say he never learned how to bunt and he's in the majors? My mind is blown if true.
In fairness Smith never said anything about it. It was Callaway who said he didn't have Smith bunting because he had never bunted in a professional game. And why would he? He's been the best hitter on every team he's been on, until now.

Alderson is at fault here on this one IMO. He should be establishing organizational standards from Rookie League on up. Every player should be required to develop certain core competencies (bunting, hitting to the opposite field, two-strike hitting, etc.) and reinforce those skills in games. Even if it means losing the game for the sake of skill development. And if the minor league manager isn't willing to get with the program, Alderson would need to find someone who will.
 
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I wanted Sandy removed,but clearly not like this. Prayers to him and I hope for a complete recovery.:pray:. On a side note, only the Mets would handle this situation by thinking of using, Manny, Moe and Jack,unreal.
 
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