OT: NJ schools can start the year virtually

Knightmoves

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I could give this 10 thumbs up . People that want them back don’t take all of this into account . I teach at the elementary level and we can’t go around to the students and check their work because we’ll be too close , no group work or sharing materials , no recess , basically no socializing . It will be like a big lecture hall with the teacher at the front of the room except for 10-11 year olds . The a social and emotional learning everyone says they need will be nonexistent because while they will be seeing classmates , they won’t really be interacting with them and a lot for them won’t even be there on the same day . It will be very watered down because of the lack of interaction and personalization is out the window . How about the kids that can’t hear well, they can’t even see the teachers face . How about the special Ed kids that need one on one attention but can’t get it because of distancing rules . This is what’s going to go on on a daily basis and I am not even listing a million other things . It’s not the point tbT we don’t want to go in ( I’m not concerned for my health ), but the fact that the learning taking place is going to be inadequate and most of our time is going to be enforcing safety procedures .

So, in other words, you ain’t going back. No how, no way.
 

NickRU714

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Biden announced today that he wants all Democratic governors to mandate that masks be worn outdoors for the next 3 months at a minimum.

Do Cuomo and Murphy follow this approach and get favors if Biden is elected?

Gov. Murphy won't even mandate or enforce masks on crowded beaches and boardwalks.

It appears there is next to zero chance he will follow Biden's announcement.
And if he does, zero chance he enforces it.
 

BoogieKnight

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Middle of the road and poor school districts receive the most per student from the state. Where does it all go?

Majority to personnel. I can say my district a lot goes for special services. Hey, it’s a ****** system I agree. The north and central part of the state need to move away from these small, single town districts and go to larger regional districts so less high paid administrators are necessary. Take the money you’d be appropriating for those high paid admins and invest in additions and new buildings that can support regional districts. Over time you’ll make up the money. Christie was right about that. But that’s a different discussion.

But most private school buildings are well-maintained (teacher pay sucks, less high paid admins) and a lot of charter and magnet schools are newer buildings not built in the 60’s and 70’s. A parent at IHA donated an entire new HVAC system back in June. When was the last time the parent at a public school donated infrastructure? No one ever would.
 
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vkj91

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Majority to personnel. I can say my district a lot goes for special services. Hey, it’s a ****** system I agree. The north and central part of the state need to move away from these small, single town districts and go to larger regional districts so less high paid administrators are necessary. Take the money you’d be appropriating for those high paid admins and invest in additions and new buildings that can support regional districts. Over time you’ll make up the money. Christie was right about that. But that’s a different discussion.

But most private school buildings are well-maintained (teacher pay sucks, less high paid admins) and a lot of charter and magnet schools are newer buildings not built in the 60’s and 70’s. A parent at IHA donated an entire new HVAC system back in June. When was the last time the parent at a public school donated infrastructure? No one ever would.
Why would they? They are paying tens of thousands in tax dollars towards education. I expect my town to stay on top of its facilities. I had three kids in Catholic schools two years ago. All three tuitions combined was less than my property taxes.
 
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Rhuarc

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Diocese based catholic schools and independent privates = 2 very different things (don't try to confuse the discussion).

As per the teachers union, there are no bad teachers. How many teachers on tenure have been fired for poor performance? Not a violation or breaking the law or some kind of scandal. Fired for just being bad at your job. Seriously, how many?
How do they handle evaluations at your daughter's school? I honestly don't know this and figure you would know.

The biggest problem with evaluations is that many admins squander their chances to weed out "bad" teachers before they have tenure. They have 4 years to figure it out, yet they either get lax or lazy and don't want to search for another person and would rather just kick the can down the road to the next admin in charge or just force their transfer to another school in district.

I don't have to worry about evaluations this year as I'm participating in the alternate evaluation method which requires research and development of lessons about a specific topic that is overseen by a supervisor but not written up formally. The results of our units and lessons are then presented to staff at various times at the end of the year so others can use our ideas or feedback to inform their own learning. Should be an interesting year to try this out for the first time!
 

BoogieKnight

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Why would they? They are paying tens of thousands in tax dollars towards education. I expect my town to stay on top of its facilities. I had three kids in Catholic schools two years ago. All three tuitions combined was less than my property taxes.

Well I’m sure the parent who donated the HVAC to IHA also pays properly taxes. Otherwise, the IRS would take issue lol. Point is, some (not all I’m sure) but some private schools, much like colleges, are able to reach out to donors to maintain and upgrade facilities over the years. Public schools need referendums and town approvals, etc.
 
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Rhuarc

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For the record, I don't see why there can't be a successful plan for both hybrid and full virtual teaching put in place by a school district if....

Staff feels safe and the parents feel their kids are safe
Money has been spent on HVAC work, PPE and shielding to be used throughout the day
Money has been spent on technology to keep the kids ready to learn and money is spent on training for teachers to become better at virtual learning

I feel my school district is doing all those things. They've been working at in the entire summer. I've sat in on many meetings with admins plus many association meetings that share information about it.

Good leadership spawns good results. The leadership void at this time on a federal and state level is embarrassing. Leaving it up to the local school district to dig up some cash from the local money tree that doesn't exist has led to the majority of the problems that exist today.
 
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vkj91

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Well I’m sure the parent who donated the HVAC to IHA also pays properly taxes. Otherwise, the IRS would take issue lol. Point is, some (not all I’m sure) but some private schools, much like colleges, are able to reach out to donors to maintain and upgrade facilities over the years. Public schools need referendums and town approvals, etc.
Because they provide a better product. Step up your game and people will step up mans donate. I know lots of Public HS coaches who raise ridiculous amounts of money because they get results. If public schools did better and wasted less money people would step up
 

ruthetiger

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Amazing. Some of the comments on here. I have to laugh at this board sometimes. There's a level of ignorance from one side and its like listening to people who don't respect the teaching profession all over again. My wish is one day they teach for a month then come back and tell us educators how it goes.
 

Knightmoves

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Predictably the poorest towns will go virtual putting their students even farther behind:

https://www.nj.com/education/2020/0...murphy-announces-revised-reopening-rules.html

Those kids faced an uphill challenge while in the classroom. Remote learning will leave them even farther behind others at their grade level.

I never read anything from teachers supporting poor students in this situation. It’s all about me, me, me. Pay me, protect me and don’t make me come back to the classroom. It’s an absolute disgrace imo.
 
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I am reading that schools that opened around the country are having real problems

Most are seeing cases. This was always expected.

The ones see huge issues are in places like Georgia where there are no face mask requirements.

This is a virus. Students will get the virus.
 
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T2Kplus10

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I am reading that schools that opened around the country are having real problems
The vast amount of schools are doing fine. Those breathless MSM chicken little stories are outliers. Let's see what happens, especially with schools that mandate masks.
 

RU_DIO

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Pay close attention to what happens the next two weeks. Murphy is getting slapped around by the NJEA. The NJEA just doesn’t want schools to open at all. Murphy’s press conferences are all BS. He claims he is leaving it up to local schools but then adds new requirements weekly. That is why school districts are dropping by the day. New requirements will be added weekly until everyone has to close. Murphy and the NJEA will say “Not our decision”

We are predicting in our district that Murphy will force all districts to go 100% virtual to start the year. His initial 100 page outline for schools and ongoing changes is driving most school districts crazy.
 

Shell21

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Pay close attention to what happens the next two weeks. Murphy is getting slapped around by the NJEA. The NJEA just doesn’t want schools to open at all. Murphy’s press conferences are all BS. He claims he is leaving it up to local schools but then adds new requirements weekly. That is why school districts are dropping by the day. New requirements will be added weekly until everyone has to close. Murphy and the NJEA will say “Not our decision”
Neal ,
Are you a teacher or in the know ? I’ve been saying all along that we will most likely be remote beforE schools starts . Our district is having a hard time fully staffing our buildings because of teachers taking leave because of health or child care . My guess is we will be forced to do remote to start in our own but I think the state will call it first . We start 2 weeks tomorrow .
 
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tom1944

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The vast amount of schools are doing fine. Those breathless MSM chicken little stories are outliers. Let's see what happens, especially with schools that mandate masks.
Not sure

There is a database available with schools that had to close. I heard it is blowing up
 
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Pay close attention to what happens the next two weeks. Murphy is getting slapped around by the NJEA. The NJEA just doesn’t want schools to open at all. Murphy’s press conferences are all BS. He claims he is leaving it up to local schools but then adds new requirements weekly. That is why school districts are dropping by the day. New requirements will be added weekly until everyone has to close. Murphy and the NJEA will say “Not our decision”


Agree this is the game he is playing. One kid tests positive and they will shut the whole district down again making it impossible to stay open.

I also keep hearing the majority of teachers saying they want to go back. If that's true go talk to your union rep. They are supposed to represent you.
 

Knightmoves

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There won’t be enough teachers willing to come back to the classroom in order to open schools in some cases. Remote learning is now a fait accompli in most cases.

Once teachers continue to get paid to work from home they will resist even more coming back to the classroom imo. A large group of students are likely to have a wasted year of learning.
 
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hoochie302

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I have 3 classes of 30 students and one with 17.
One private school near me is limiting students to 10 per room. Making it work both complicated and dangerous.
Its crazy that pro football players are getting paid to choose not to play when teachers will still put in 50-60 hours a week and get crap for it.
 

tom1944

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I have 3 classes of 30 students and one with 17.
One private school near me is limiting students to 10 per room. Making it work both complicated and dangerous.
Its crazy that pro football players are getting paid to choose not to play when teachers will still put in 50-60 hours a week and get crap for it.


My daughter has a total of 77 students. So far 25 have opted for remote learning. She will have the other 52 on an A/B schedule. I think 3 has 3 block classes so if they are evenly distributed that would be around 9 per in class.

It could work.

The big issue is parents who will send (knowingly) a sick or exposed kid to school. And do not doubt for a minute it will not happen.

In my district you have to bus. I just don't see bus drivers being able to temperature check kids prior to boarding the bus.
 
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