OT: NHL Draft
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ruth mantle gehrig and dimaggio have zero to do with how the franchise is run in the 21st century
Sure..it’s fair to question the other 3..but STL has a cup in this time frame..so really not sure the metrics you are using..
It's a results business
STL hoisted a Cup, that's of utmost importance
If the Rangers didn't have half of the Oilers on their 1994 roster, their last Cup would be 1940
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why don't you name the teams who post lockout are better managed than the rangers with statistics to back it up. post lockout is the salary cap new age NHL. Trying to compare pre and post lockout is apples and oranges. The reason you won't name 10 teams better managed than the rangers post lockout is because there arent 10 teams better than the rangers post lockout. The rangers probably sit between 6th-8th in all of the NHL post lockout.
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winning a cup ONE year does not make the franchise better run over the past 15, that's a clown comment.
Here is the blues post lockout. Prior to this season, post lock out they've won FOUR total playoff series. FOUR!!! Come on man. This is childs play
So what metrics are you using to determine best run? Playoff series wins which are meaningless without a cup?
You may have a handful of those in addition to you. :smiley:
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Ya know what's funny @superfan01 next season in the middle of a rebuild the rangers are going to make the playoffs after only missing them for 2 years while we tore it down to the studs. That's what a well-run franchise does. Not like the devils which have made the playoffs once in the past 7 years and got bounced in the first round that one time.
Next years rangers starting lineup is going to have a top 6 of Kakko, MZ, Kreider (if not traded which I think he will be), Panarin, Kravtsov, Buch. Well Chytil probably will make his way into the top 6 as 2C.
Top 4 on defense of Trouba-Skjei Staal-ADA aint too bad. The team is extremely young and primed to be good for years to come. I just think you're mad that as you look at how the devils vs how the rangers have been managed post lockout that the devils were never quite able to get things in order. And the devs past 7 years or so has been pitiful. On top of all of that, there doesn't even look to be light at the end of the tunnel. Sad time to be a devs fan. Hopefully they just get moved to brooklyn like the nets after the isles go back to the island
Next years rangers starting lineup is going to have a top 6 of Kakko, MZ, Kreider (if not traded which I think he will be), Panarin, Kravtsov, Buch. Well Chytil probably will make his way into the top 6 as 2C.
Top 4 on defense of Trouba-Skjei Staal-ADA aint too bad. The team is extremely young and primed to be good for years to come. I just think you're mad that as you look at how the devils vs how the rangers have been managed post lockout that the devils were never quite able to get things in order. And the devs past 7 years or so has been pitiful. On top of all of that, there doesn't even look to be light at the end of the tunnel. Sad time to be a devs fan. Hopefully they just get moved to brooklyn like the nets after the isles go back to the island
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
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Year in and year out competitiveness. Playoff series wins. I don't think you'll find a single hockey mind that will tell you with a straight face that the rangers haven't been one of the best run franchise in the league post lockout.
Don’t thing there’s one hockey that won’t take into account cups win during that time to come to a conclusion.
To me, again, competitiveness year in and year out means nothing if you don’t take the next step.
But agree to disagree,
Reading this guys bitter posts one after the other about the Devils and then coming to this one and thinking how ironic.
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so if you win 4 playoff series in 15 years and then win one cup in a miraculous run in year 15 in your mind that equates to a well-run franchise? interesting take.
If given the choice of (A) a 15-year stretch with only 4 playoff series wins and then a Stanley Cup, or (B) any number of series wins without a Cup, every player in the world would take A, and so would any reasonable fan.
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So if the blues lose game 7 in your eyes they wouldve been a failure of a franchise. Just want to make sure im getting this right here
No. I’d consider them a decent franchise still..as I consider the rangers a decent franchise and the Devils decent in this time frame for making it to the cup but not winning.
I really don’t think my point is difficult to understand. Teams and franchises that have won a cup in the post lockout era..I’d consider more successful and ranked higher than those who haven’t. It’s as simple as that
The list of teams "well run" has some obvious questions on it. STL should be on there. They won. Rest is silly.
Also funny takes on the draft. Kakko has higher floor but Hughes is guy with very high ceiling. He's no brained top pick. And if it was close, Sheros relationship w the family and USA hockey is tie breaker. Not whatever dopey Hall says or wants.
Also funny takes on the draft. Kakko has higher floor but Hughes is guy with very high ceiling. He's no brained top pick. And if it was close, Sheros relationship w the family and USA hockey is tie breaker. Not whatever dopey Hall says or wants.
Dude This is a Rutgers message board. We're all Lil Bro's around here.
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
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I think you have it wrong. Hughes higher floor, kakko higher ceiling thats pretty well established. And the devs are doing everything they can to appease taylor hall who is gonezoooooo after this year. My college roommate lives next to him in soho lofts in jersey city (rental building) and it’s pretty well known this is his last year in NJ.
You are simply wrong on Hughes / Kakko. And yes, they want to appease Hall but that has zero impact on draft.
I think we just discovered the most bitter Rangers fan alive. Holy smokes!
Every writer that has referenced actual scouts has said the opposite. Kakko is more ready now. Hughes is the better skater but less professional type experience. He's also smaller and will need to grow a bit more. I'm actually surprised this is even controversial as it is not only well known, it is evident even from watching the players.
Here's a quote from an article just from today:
“I think they are pretty close but talent-wise I give Hughes the edge,” said yet another scout. “He is the better skater, has better speed and his hands are also at least as good, soft and quick as Kakko. Kakko is physically stronger and looks like a man already. Kakko is 100 percent NHL-ready while I think Hughes might be a slightly better player when they’re both 25 years old.”
so Hall has told all the other tenants in the building that hes leaving?
sounds like #FakeNews from a stRangers fan.
Dude, that's nothing compared to what I heard at Subway the other day...
We can all agree the Rangers suck. Marty is the GOAT, and Hall, Hischier and Hughes will return us to the promised land of Sir Stanley’s cup
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No lol he doesnt walk around being like “hey come here pssssst just so you know im not resigning with the devils”. But hes a regular dude, comes to the tenant parties and events. How much you willing to wager on this?
well,I dont have to bet because IF this is such a known intent,like you are trying to sell as factual,then the Devils will move Hall at the draft. If he stays around after the draft then your story is shaky.
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Sureeeee just like they did with parise right? The world knew he was OUT to minny. His wife (girlfriend at the time) was a teacher at my high school west essex, yes you can look this up. And she put her notice In mid-season in 2012. The devils are soooo poorly run man. Theyre gonna pray he stays and lose him for nothing like they did parise
If that’s the case, the devils should put a mole in his building to help with the negotiation. “Sir, I’m happy to report that Mr Hall just signed a 4 year fios contract. I believe he is intent on resigning with the team”
It's difficult to directly compare Devils vs Rangers since the Rangers have been around roughly twice as long and the Devils have been 3 places. All that said, half of your 44 year history is with Brodeur, one of the greatest of all time. Hes a huge part of that history, cannot deny it.
But your history without him? Even excluding the pre-NJ years its complete crap. Look it up yourself, the Devils are something like 350 games under .500 wins vs loss all time. Even with Marty the organization is still 50 games below .500. Not exactly impressive.
My comment was in response to NJ sports bobo claiming how bad the rangers were. Well look that up too cuz you'd be dead wrong. Rangers have 5 cups (ok one since 1940 so you got me there) have a ton of playoff appearances and are 150 games over .500 overall wins vs losses.
Lets see where our teams are in 3 to 4 years from now. My bets on blue. And I'll take Hughes or kakko