OT: MLB Restart

[czxqa]

Players lost the public and lost the war. The fear of a salary cap is asinine. The #1 and #2 sports in the country are doing just fine with a cap. It's not the owners fault that the players unwisely chose Tony Clark to lead the last CBA negotiations and got crushed.

Your opinion is in a very small minority. 33 people agree with you, the owners, Manfred, and the two guys who liked your post.
Owners look horrible here. Three of them crying poor in interviews and 2 days later a billion dollar playoff deal comes out with TBS. Revenues go up every year, franchise values keep rising, the owners make money hand over fist, and in a pandemic they tried to force a huge pay cut on the players instead of doing the right thing for the game. Look at Dolan. Worst owner in the NBA and the guy said everyone would be paid. NBA, NHL, NFL, none of them told the players they would have to take a giant pay cut, and the NHL relies on the gate more than any other sport.

 

[Abro1975]

By accepting the mandate there will be no successful mediation. They had until 5pm to accept or not. It's over. Time to move on.

This article is from 6:20pm. Sounds like the Players still have the right to file a grievance. :

"Additionally, the 60-game season could serve as a buffer against a grievance by the MLBPA, which, in the case of a potential implementation, has been expected to charge the league with not fulfilling its duty to complete as full a season as possible. The league could file a grievance against the union as well."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ort-july-1-discussing-health-safety-protocols

 

[WhiteBus]

This article is from 6:20pm. Sounds like the Players still have the right to file a grievance. :

"Additionally, the 60-game season could serve as a buffer against a grievance by the MLBPA, which, in the case of a potential implementation, has been expected to charge the league with not fulfilling its duty to complete as full a season as possible. The league could file a grievance against the union as well."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ort-july-1-discussing-health-safety-protocols

I heard on Fox Sports radio today that by accepting the deal from March both sides give up that right. MLB should go after Scott Boros who is the one who should be sued.

 

[czxqa]

By accepting the mandate there will be no successful mediation. They had until 5pm to accept or not. It's over. Time to move on.

I don't believe they are waiving the right to file a grievance. The season and the grievance would proceed on separate tracks unless the owners responded to a grievance with a lockout.
Remember, Manfred's last offer when he visited Clark was contingent on the PA waiving their right to file a grievance.

Edit: saw your post above with the Fox Sports comment. I guess we'll see what happens. Maybe there is no grievance regardless. Hope so.

 

[Abro1975]

I heard on Fox Sports radio today that by accepting the deal from March both sides give up that right. MLB should go after Scott Boros who is the one who should be sued.

Yahoo Sports article 4 minutes ago:

"The players can hold their heads high for not caving and possibly file a grievance against MLB (that some believe could pay as much as $900 million if the players win). They didn’t budge off their No. 1 demand, which was not taking a second pay cut from owners.'

https://sports.yahoo.com/five-thing...anything-weve-ever-seen-before-230729380.html

 

[WhiteBus]

Yahoo Sports article 4 minutes ago:

"The players can hold their heads high for not caving and possibly file a grievance against MLB (that some believe could pay as much as $900 million if the players win). They didn’t budge off their No. 1 demand, which was not taking a second pay cut from owners.'

https://sports.yahoo.com/five-thing...anything-weve-ever-seen-before-230729380.html

So they got the prorated full pay they wanted. They agreed to let MLB to set the games to get that. They got cash up front too which no one talks about. Where did MLB not live up to the March agreement??

 

[T2Kplus10]

Your opinion is in a very small minority. 33 people agree with you, the owners, Manfred, and the two guys who liked your post.
Owners look horrible here. Three of them crying poor in interviews and 2 days later a billion dollar playoff deal comes out with TBS. Revenues go up every year, franchise values keep rising, the owners make money hand over fist, and in a pandemic they tried to force a huge pay cut on the players instead of doing the right thing for the game. Look at Dolan. Worst owner in the NBA and the guy said everyone would be paid. NBA, NHL, NFL, none of them told the players they would have to take a giant pay cut, and the NHL relies on the gate more than any other sport.

Nope. Public opinion is against the players. Bunch of greedy millionaires. Fans can't go to the games and MLB is losing 40% of their revenue. Very reasonable to take a pay cut and compromise.

Players lost big time, yet again.

 

[Abro1975]

So they got the prorated full pay they wanted. They agreed to let MLB to set the games to get that. They got cash up front too which no one talks about. Where did MLB not live up to the March agreement??

MLB was trying for weeks (delaying) to get the players to take 70% of full pro rated pay.

 

[WhiteBus]

MLB was trying for weeks (delaying) to get the players to take 70% of full pro rated pay.

And start a month earlier which in the end they would all make a lot more money. They wanted to start 4th of July weekend.

 

[Terry_2426]

Nope. Public opinion is against the players. Bunch of greedy millionaires. Fans can't go to the games and MLB is losing 40% of their revenue. Very reasonable to take a pay cut and compromise.

Players lost big time, yet again.

How are the millionaires the ones greedier than the billionaires? Makes no sense. The vast majority of players make less than $1 million a year and with this agreement almost half the players will be making $100,000 for the remainder of the season. The majority of the public perception overall is not that the players are the greediest party of the two.

 

[T2Kplus10]

How are the millionaires the ones greedier than the billionaires? Makes no sense. The vast majority of players make less than $1 million a year and with this agreement almost half the players will be making $100,000 for the remainder of the season. The majority of the public perception overall is not that the players are the greediest party of the two.

40% loss in revenue. Everyone helps out. That's why.

 

[WhiteBus]

How are the millionaires the ones greedier than the billionaires? Makes no sense. The vast majority of players make less than $1 million a year and with this agreement almost half the players will be making $100,000 for the remainder of the season. The majority of the public perception overall is not that the players are the greediest party of the two.

Simple. The players will still make a profit. Not all teams will. Tony Clark last week made his famous quote. "Tell us where and when" and many players reposted that line. They got what they demanded. Time to shut up and play.

 

[WhiteBus]

It's amazing that some side with the players. They got everything they bargained for including this which no one talks about . The players had been getting paid!
Details of MLB-players’ union agreement on 2020
ADVANCED PAY
Each team shall contribute $94,444.44 per day for 60 days, a total of $170 million, either from March 26 through May 24 or until the start of the season, whichever is earlier, to allocate among players on the 40-man roster, 60-day injured list and those with major league contracts on outright assignments to the minor leagues. The payments will be made in equal installments on the normal payroll schedule. A player with a split contract (different salaries in the minor leagues and major leagues) receives $275 daily if his salary while in the minors is $46,000 to $91,799, $500 daily if $91,800 to $149,999 and $1,000 daily if $150,000 or more. The remainder of the $170 million will be split among the rest of the players with major league contracts who want advances; each player has the right to opt out. Amounts will be reimbursed through payroll reductions.

Teams will pay players’ travel costs for leaving and returning to spring training.

If there is no season, the union would be reimbursed for up to $2 million of any spring training allowances advanced to players from March 13-26, using international signing bonus pool taxes and/or the industry growth fund.

 

[Terry_2426]

40% loss in revenue. Everyone helps out. That's why.

Yes, everyone should help out but the owners were trying to get the players to take on three quarters of that 40% loss, which is ridiculous. If the players balked at taking on 25% of those losses while the owners take on the remainder, they’d be rightfully blasted. But unfortunately that offer never came from the owners.

 

[Rhuarc]

How are the millionaires the ones greedier than the billionaires? Makes no sense. The vast majority of players make less than $1 million a year and with this agreement almost half the players will be making $100,000 for the remainder of the season. The majority of the public perception overall is not that the players are the greediest party of the two.

I think your numbers are off. Major league minimum is 563,500. Those guys will make much more than 100,000 this year. Once you start talking about rejecting 6 figure salaries, the public doesn't side with you anymore.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I think your numbers are off. Major league minimum is 563,500. Those guys will make much more than 100,000 this year. Once you start talking about rejecting 6 figure salaries, the public doesn't side with you anymore.

I would never presume to speak for the public. Speaking for myself, I will never begrudge any athlete getting as much as they can, as soon as they can, for as long as they can. Their earning years are so short, and it can all end in an instant.

 

[Rhuarc]

I would never presume to speak for the public. Speaking for myself, I will never begrudge any athlete getting as much as they can, as soon as they can, for as long as they can. Their earning years are so short, and it can all end in an instant.

I agree with this in theory and it's true I don't really know how the public feels. However, in times of crisis both sides need to bend a bit and not take 3 months to do it. Both sides blew it from an optics point of view.

 

[MADHAT1]

all in all , if everything goes right: we'll see some MLB games
But we all know , no matter what, some will blame the players and others will blame the owners for what happened to delay agreeing to start the season .
No matter what side of the fence your on, there will be those on the other side claiming you're wrong anr they're right about whose at fault.
For me, just hoping to see some balls hit over the fence this year

 

[WhiteBus]

all in all , if everything goes right: we'll see some MLB games
But we all know , no matter what, some will blame the players and others will blame the owners for what happened to delay agreeing to start the season .
No matter what side of the fence your on, there will be those on the other side claiming you're wrong anr they're right about whose at fault.
For me, just hoping to see some balls hit over the fence this year

Who is that fat lefty?? :Laughing

 

[Terry_2426]

I think your numbers are off. Major league minimum is 563,500. Those guys will make much more than 100,000 this year. Once you start talking about rejecting 6 figure salaries, the public doesn't side with you anymore.

162 game minimum is $563,000. With players playing a 60 games season which is 37% of a typical season and with full pro rata, 37% is now $208,000 total 2020 salary. After accounting for the money already received from March’s salary advance, those players will receive roughly $100k for the 60 games being played.

 

[WhiteBus]

162 game minimum is $563,000. With players playing a 60 games season which is 37% of a typical season and with full pro rata, 37% is now $208,000 total 2020 salary. After accounting for the money already received from March’s salary advance, those players will receive roughly $100k for the 60 games being played.

Bad math. They were not getting that much money per player at that salary bracket

 

[Doctor Worm]

It's official! The MLBPA and MLB have reached agreement on the safety regulations. The MLBPA has advised its membership to report for duty on July 1. Game on!

 

[Terry_2426]

Bad math. They were not getting that much money per player at that salary bracket

You’re right, they were at $1,000 per day for 60 days right? So 150k for the games played, and $208k total either way it’s sliced. Still a far cry from what many people think players are pulling in when they are only paying attention to the high player salaries.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think your numbers are off. Major league minimum is 563,500. Those guys will make much more than 100,000 this year. Once you start talking about rejecting 6 figure salaries, the public doesn't side with you anymore.

I actually rejected a 6 figure base salary just this afternoon.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Per CBS Sports, the 60 game schedule will consist of 40 games within division (10 against each of the four intra-divisional opponents), and the remaining 20 inter-league within the same geographic region. For instance, the Mets would play:

• 10 each against Atl, Fla, Phil, and Wash.
• 4 each against NYY, TB, Bos, Balt, and Tor.

By Sunday, each team will name it's 60 man "summer training" roster. What happens after that is not known at this point.

Also this weekend, MLB will lift its transaction freeze, so we could start seeing trades. The trading deadline this year is August 31.

 

[czxqa]

40% loss in revenue. Everyone helps out. That's why.

Owners have decades to make that loss up. Players will never get it back. That's the difference. Do they players get a cut when the Wilpons sells the Mets for 2+ Billion? They paid a tenth of that to buy the team. Owners make money hand over fist. Players make $400/week in season only the entire time they're in the minors. It's below the poverty level. Then when they come up, their service time is manipulated so they have to play an extra year in the majors before they can become a free agent, and at that point, with a few years in the minors and seven in the majors, when they finally become free agents, now they are told they're too old. The Gerrit Coles, Mike Trouts and Bryce Harpers are the rare exceptions. So now you think they should take a huge hit they will never be able to make up so the billionaires can be guaranteed a profit this one and precious year? If your boss came and told you that you would have to take a 30% hit this year so he could still make his money would you be OK with that?

 

[T2Kplus10]

If your boss came and told you that you would have to take a 30% hit this year so he could still make his money would you be OK with that?

If the company is losing 40% of its revenue, that would be a very reasonable request. The other option is laying off a bunch of people.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Per CBS Sports, the 60 game schedule will consist of 40 games within division (10 against each of the four intra-divisional opponents), and the remaining 20 inter-league within the same geographic region. For instance, the Mets would play:

• 10 each against Atl, Fla, Phil, and Wash.
• 4 each against NYY, TB, Bos, Balt, and Tor.

By Sunday, each team will name it's 60 man "summer training" roster. What happens after that is not known at this point.

Also this weekend, MLB will lift its transaction freeze, so we could start seeing trades. The trading deadline this year is August 31.

Thanks. Where will games be played? At teams home fields such as citified or on neutral sites?

 

[Abro1975]

90 % of minor league players never make it to the majors.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Thanks. Where will games be played? At teams home fields such as citified or on neutral sites?

Home fields. That's the whole point of the geographically compressed schedule - to limit travel.

Under this scheme, 46 of the 60 Mets games will be played within the Boston to Washington Acela Corridor. The same is true of the Yankees.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Home fields. That's the whole point of the geographically compressed schedule - to limit travel.

Under this scheme, 46 of the 60 Mets games will be played within the Boston to Washington Acela Corridor. The same is true of the Yankees.

Guess no fans at games or limited amount of fans or tbd?

 

[BigEastPhil]

Huge question: With baseball back, will Karl Ravech continue to broadcast Korean Baseball League games from his living room? Ravech is probably the happiest guy right now. I felt so bad for him and Eduardo Perez.

 

[MADHAT1]

While fighting with the players over money, the owners didn't do to shabby negotiating a TV contract

June 13, 2020
MLB lands billion-dollar deal with Turner Sports
The exact new contract terms are not yet known, but a substantial increase from the $350 million per season that Turner had been paying is expected, according to sources. There had been talks in the $500 million per year range, according to sources. The length of the new contract is not yet known. Turner’s current deal ends after the 2021 season.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/mlb-l...eal-with-turner-sports-to-broadcast-playoffs/

 

[Tango Two]

A look at the changes coming to MLB during the shortened 2020 season



A summary of Major League Baseball’s 2020 Operations Manual, as edited by The Associated Press. The manual was written by MLB executive vice president Morgan Sword, senior vice presidents Patrick Houlihan, Bryan Seeley and Chris Young, and vice presidents Jon Coyles and Paul Mifsud. Young is a former pitcher who retired after the 2017 season. Input was provided by the staff of the Major League Baseball Players Association and the 30 major league clubs:

https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/changes-coming-mlb-shortened-2020-season-062520

 

[Doctor Worm]

A look at the changes coming to MLB during the shortened 2020 season



A summary of Major League Baseball’s 2020 Operations Manual, as edited by The Associated Press. The manual was written by MLB executive vice president Morgan Sword, senior vice presidents Patrick Houlihan, Bryan Seeley and Chris Young, and vice presidents Jon Coyles and Paul Mifsud. Young is a former pitcher who retired after the 2017 season. Input was provided by the staff of the Major League Baseball Players Association and the 30 major league clubs:

https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/changes-coming-mlb-shortened-2020-season-062520

Two surprises to me:

1. They are enforcing the three batter minimum rule. Thought they'd waive it for the year.
2. Not implementing the 7 inning doubleheader rule.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Guess no fans at games or limited amount of fans or tbd?

My guess is that MLB will allow teams to make their own decisions consistent with state and local rules.

The Chicago Cubs have already stated that they plan to open the stadium at 20% capacity, based on Illinois guidelines. However they need the city of Chicago to approve.

 

[RUScrew85]

162 game minimum is $563,000. With players playing a 60 games season which is 37% of a typical season and with full pro rata, 37% is now $208,000 total 2020 salary. After accounting for the money already received from March’s salary advance, those players will receive roughly $100k for the 60 games being played.

I'll take that job if they won't. I'd play baseball for a living for free if I could.

 

[RUScrew85]

Two surprises to me:

1. They are enforcing the three batter minimum rule. Thought they'd waive it for the year.
2. Not implementing the 7 inning doubleheader rule.

I like both. I assume the IF shift is still in play and that's a mistake.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I'll take that job if they won't. I'd play baseball for a living for free if I could.

No one can do anything for a living for free.

 

[RUsince52]

Time to check my fantasy roster to see if any of my guys will be playing this season. It will be interesting for sure.