IDK. I remember hearing that same argument 26 years ago, when the 1994 WS was cancelled due to a players strike. Baseball came back stronger than ever. Of course the steroid-enhanced performances of the likes of McGwire, Sosa, and later Bonds had something to do with that.The most interesting part about this entire debate, to me, is that these people are clearly too stupid or too arrogant to realize that they are about to kill their sport. People are in a very unique position right now where they're learning they don't need sports to survive. Baseball, an already dying sport, had a chance to be the first back to remind them how great sports can be, and instead has chosen to fight over money in the short term instead of seeing the lasting effects of missing a season. If they don't play this year, millions of fans will be lost. This could very well be the beginning of the end for baseball.
I think baseball is in a very different, and much more precarious, position than it was 26 years ago.IDK. I remember hearing that same argument 26 years ago, when the 1994 WS was cancelled due to a players strike. Baseball came back stronger than ever. Of course the steroid-enhanced performances of the likes of McGwire, Sosa, and later Bonds had something to do with that.
The most interesting part about this entire debate, to me, is that these people are clearly too stupid or too arrogant to realize that they are about to kill their sport. People are in a very unique position right now where they're learning they don't need sports to survive. Baseball, an already dying sport, had a chance to be the first back to remind them how great sports can be, and instead has chosen to fight over money in the short term instead of seeing the lasting effects of missing a season. If they don't play this year, millions of fans will be lost. This could very well be the beginning of the end for baseball.
The thing is that in labor negotiations, there's no such thing as "we'll give in just this once". Once a precedent is established, the negotiating landscape is changed permanently.I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I think the players need to give on this for one season. I get the 50/50 revenue split wasn't going to fly and am not in favor of a salary cap, but if the owners are losing ~40% of their revenue, there needs to be some understanding that you can't keep your largest expense on a per game basis the same. Obviously some game day expenses are reduced as will the cost of traveling with the fewer number of games. Maybe they can figure out the savings from those things and then split the difference so each side is sacrificing something.
Owners are in the right on this one. I believe the public (via social media) has already made this decision. Players look really bad so far.In these instances, my bias is always in favor of the players. They reached agreement with the owners in March that when baseball was resumed, their salaries would be prorated. The players believe that the owners are reneging on this agreement. The owners claim that the agreement contains an exception clause in the event of games being played in closed stadiums. Not sure anyone other than the involved parties have actually seen this March agreement, so who knows.
The fact is that revenue sharing = salary cap. As I mentioned previously, the players will die on that hill. Or at least they say they will. I guess we'll all know soon enough.
Something that was really surprising to me is that many of the kids, outside of playing, don’t follow the sport. They might go to one or two Phillies, Yankees, or Mets games a year with their family, but they don’t read about, watch many games on TV, collect cards, etc. The MLB players better wake up about this, along with the owners. As I said before, they just don’t seem to get what is very obvious about the sport in general.IDK. I remember hearing that same argument 26 years ago, when the 1994 WS was cancelled due to a players strike. Baseball came back stronger than ever. Of course the steroid-enhanced performances of the likes of McGwire, Sosa, and later Bonds had something to do with that.
The other problem is that the owners refuse to be transparent and open their books to see what the true revenue impact is.The thing is that in labor negotiations, there's no such thing as "we'll give in just this once". Once a precedent is established, the negotiating landscape is changed permanently.
As much as I love baseball, I do not give a crap about how much millionaires and billionaires will lose and would rather stick the dagger in themselves rather than compromise.The most interesting part about this entire debate, to me, is that these people are clearly too stupid or too arrogant to realize that they are about to kill their sport. People are in a very unique position right now where they're learning they don't need sports to survive. Baseball, an already dying sport, had a chance to be the first back to remind them how great sports can be, and instead has chosen to fight over money in the short term instead of seeing the lasting effects of missing a season. If they don't play this year, millions of fans will be lost. This could very well be the beginning of the end for baseball.
No, you're not. It's driving me crazy not having baseball.Interesting feelings. I guess I'm the only one who feels like I took baseball for granted and I can't wait to see it again.
I absolutely loved baseball growing up. It was my first true love and the only bond I had with my father. We spent hours every day watching, talking, and playing baseball. But now, not so much.Interesting feelings. I guess I'm the only one who feels like I took baseball for granted and I can't wait to see it again.
I’m sure you’re not the only one but many of us would not lose a nanosecond of sleep if 2020 was completely canceled. My only reminder of baseball is this thread and mostly visited for its entertainment value! The ONLY sport I’d miss would be college football...the rest can simply go away if it must.Interesting feelings. I guess I'm the only one who feels like I took baseball for granted and I can't wait to see it again.
I absolutely loved baseball growing up. It was my first true love and the only bond I had with my father. We spent hours every day watching, talking, and playing baseball. But now, not so much.
1. The game has changed. Launch angle and starting pitchers going 5 or 6 innings has completely ruined the strategy of the game for me. It's all strikeout or homerun. There is no action.
2. The prices are getting out of control. I have two boys. For the four of us to go to a game and sit where they can see, it's really not realistic. We used to go to over 10 games a year.
3. Minor leaguers and game day staff are being cut completely and millionaires aren't willing to take a pay cut.
4. Billionaire owners are saying they're losing money? Open your books and prove it.
5. It's time for a reset like in 07 when the housing market burst. Get ticket prices back to affordable levels and stop paying these guys $20mil a year. Should they make a mil? Sure. 10 mil? Maybe the best players. But 20-30mil a year? That's why we can't afford to attend.
My somewhat contrarian thoughts:I absolutely loved baseball growing up. It was my first true love and the only bond I had with my father. We spent hours every day watching, talking, and playing baseball. But now, not so much.
1. The game has changed. Launch angle and starting pitchers going 5 or 6 innings has completely ruined the strategy of the game for me. It's all strikeout or homerun. There is no action.
2. The prices are getting out of control. I have two boys. For the four of us to go to a game and sit where they can see, it's really not realistic. We used to go to over 10 games a year.
3. Minor leaguers and game day staff are being cut completely and millionaires aren't willing to take a pay cut.
4. Billionaire owners are saying they're losing money? Open your books and prove it.
5. It's time for a reset like in 07 when the housing market burst. Get ticket prices back to affordable levels and stop paying these guys $20mil a year. Should they make a mil? Sure. 10 mil? Maybe the best players. But 20-30mil a year? That's why we can't afford to attend.
Actually a terrible propsal by MLPA. Dumbest thing I have seen.
I absolutely loved baseball growing up. It was my first true love and the only bond I had with my father. We spent hours every day watching, talking, and playing baseball. But now, not so much.
1. The game has changed. Launch angle and starting pitchers going 5 or 6 innings has completely ruined the strategy of the game for me. It's all strikeout or homerun. There is no action.
2. The prices are getting out of control. I have two boys. For the four of us to go to a game and sit where they can see, it's really not realistic. We used to go to over 10 games a year.
3. Minor leaguers and game day staff are being cut completely and millionaires aren't willing to take a pay cut.
4. Billionaire owners are saying they're losing money? Open your books and prove it.
5. It's time for a reset like in 07 when the housing market burst. Get ticket prices back to affordable levels and stop paying these guys $20mil a year. Should they make a mil? Sure. 10 mil? Maybe the best players. But 20-30mil a year? That's why we can't afford to attend.
If they can’t start the season before late July, a large amount of sports fans won’t care because high school, college, and NFL camps and season are on the way.
The IF defensive shift has really hurt the game too. No one wants to see a guy thrown out at first from shallow RF by a 2B or up from up the middle by a 3B.
I get that it's a good defensive strategy, but it is annoying to watch a perfectly hit ball be an out because a player is stationed in short RF. Seeing a bunt to counteract it is fun once in a while, but not multiple times a game. I wouldn't mind a rule that you can't have more than two guys on either side of second base, or if you did have more than two, they would all need to stay on the infield dirt.
I get that it's a good defensive strategy, but it is annoying to watch a perfectly hit ball be an out because a player is stationed in short RF. Seeing a bunt to counteract it is fun once in a while, but not multiple times a game. I wouldn't mind a rule that you can't have more than two guys on either side of second base, or if you did have more than two, they would all need to stay on the infield dirt.
No better bang for your buck than high school sports. Most of the sports don’t even charge, and even then, you are looking at five dollars for football, hockey, wrestling, and basketball for regular season.What a great post, Mike. I have always loved baseball, but never less than I do now.
The baseball I enjoy most now is local high schools when they are playing "speed it up" rules (I don't know the real name for it). Less batting glove tightening, crotch-grabbing, lengthy rituals between every pitch, and a wider array of skills on display than homers and Ks. They're just amateurs, but it's good enough for me...
For me, 90 games is the minimum. Like I said before, they better start the season very soon because after all this Chinese corona lock down ends, I think people will welcome football back in a big way.Interesting counterproposal from an Atlanta Braves site. Not sure how legitimate it is since I haven't seen it anywhere else. Reportedly, the owners will accept the players demand for prorated salary and no revenue sharing. BUT they want to limit the season to 50 games.
This makes sense from the owners standpoint. (Well duh, that's why they proposed it.) They limit their salary expense with relatively little impact on game revenues since the stadiums won't be full. The postseason is where they make their TV money anyway.
Whether the players will go along with it remains to be seen. Whether the fans will accept it is another question. Is a 50 game season even legitimate? TBH I'd just as soon see them scrap it and come back in 2021.
And as mentioned, who knows if the report is even real.
https://www.talkingchop.com/2020/6/...op-labor-negotiations-gaining-traction-braves
All this offense in football is so boring.
Nobody cares about defense anymore.
Teams shouldn’t be allowed to overload the defense and put 3 WRs one side of the LOS.
Or teams shouldn’t be allowed to have 4 or 5 WRs on the field at the same point.
On the other side, defenses shouldn’t be allowed to play 8-9 men in the box.
It makes it too hard to run the ball and forces teams to pass.
It is annoying to watch a perfectly hit ball to the wall be caught because the OF was playing deep.
Or a perfectly hit ball up the middle turn into a double play because the SS was shading up the middle.
Or a perfectly hit ball down the line turned into an out because the 1st or 3rd baseman was protecting the line.
All players in the field should have to start in a designated box and not be allowed to move pre-pitch.
Sounds like a great approach to the game.....
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