OT: instability and malaise

[catch54]

Here’s your major problem. You are being myopic, and your thought process is not unlike a Neanderthal. Actually my apologies to the Neanderthals as they were brave enough of venture outside the cave.

If we halt all exploration we will lose out on tech we can’t even dream of. I want YOU to try to use some critical thinking skills. Do some research on all the tech that was developed due to space exploration.

You want to miss out on all this tech to spend more on the DEA? At least give the money back to the tax payers

Your high school teachers are ashamed of you simple- minded thinking skills.

You are wrong because we ALREADY have the data and knowledge to know most of what is technically possible and economically viable. A perfect example is fusion energy research. The reason it can't ever produce economically viable electricity CAN be explained in freshman physics. People like you deny prior knowledge. Do you need the physics lesson?

You guys accuse Dems of wanting to defund law enforcement. Now I easily find the dollars to do exactly the opposite and all the sudden you go weak on crime. Minus our crime and drug problems, I would give the money back to taxpayer rather than waste it on space exploration.

Regarding R&D, we do plenty of research. Probably in the hundreds of billions by the Federal government alone. Then there is the private sector who provide plenty of R&D. The "we can't dream of" argument is weak.

 

[steinek11]

I would like to hear your "compelling argument". Every generation and demographic holds responsibility for the state of the union to some degree. Right now, personal accountability is severely lacking everywhere. Some people think that past presidential administrations caused them great hardship. Some think that a change in the current administration will magically make career criminals suddenly stop violently engaging with others in society and law enforcement. Some think that they should be able to just do what they want in life without pursuing or offering any socially redeeming values, and have the government take care of them. Personal accountability. I see it in a lot of people. It is nowhere to be found in a lot of people...that were born between 1965 and 1985.

You didn't read the article did you?

 

[hexumhawk]

IMHO there is something to this.

About 6 weeks ago, my youngest brother, who is 42, found out that my folks were voting for Trump. And he absolutely lost his ****. Not going to air family laundry, but he said and wrote things that you wouldn't say to your enemies.

As a family, we rarely, if ever, talked politics growing up. Just routine small talk type stuff mostly.

At any rate, as the meltdown was occurring, I asked to be removed from the text string which included my folks, myself, himself, and my sister, that was becoming increasingly vile.

He then turned on me. Asked me how I was voting. I told him that he doesn't need to be concerned with that and that I am not concerned with how he is voting, that has nothing to do with our relationship.

His response was the lynchpin:

"If you're not worried how Mom or Dad or I vote then you're a huge part of the problem and are what's wrong with the direction of this country".

Not going to air the fallout.

However, this is exactly what I'm seeing. Total binary thinking. On the right. On the left.

If you're not for us, you're against us. If you don't like Trump that means you like Biden and support Pelosi . If you don't like Biden you like Trump and love McConnell. If you're not demonstrating in the streets for cause X you are against us and are part of the problem -- the enemy.

I don't know if that's being taught in schools. I don't know if it's an effect of bring able to insulate yourself on social media with only like minded individuals. But it's a real problem.

Agree with a lot of this currently. I think a large part of it is rooted in how we have been raising our kids. Lack of respect for those in authority and allowing the thought of always being a victim or being owed something to ferment. A very bad combination to have well adjusted young adults.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

You are wrong because we ALREADY have the data and knowledge to know most of what is technically possible and economically viable. A perfect example is fusion energy research. The reason it can't ever produce economically viable electricity CAN be explained in freshman physics. People like you deny prior knowledge. Do you need the physics lesson?

You guys accuse Dems of wanting to defund law enforcement. Now I easily find the dollars to do exactly the opposite and all the sudden you go weak on crime. Minus our crime and drug problems, I would give the money back to taxpayer rather than waste it on space exploration.

Regarding R&D, we do plenty of research. Probably in the hundreds of billions by the Federal government alone. Then there is the private sector who provide plenty of R&D. The "we can't dream of" argument is weak.

So much idiocy in one post... it’s tough to take it all all in.

First .. please enlighten yourself a bit.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39580591

Second - you do realize police are funded by local taxes, right? I hope you know that, but it doesn’t sound like you do.

Federal Tax - this is Fed line on your paycheck. It will be a small number, but I have faith you’ll make it to assistant manager in at Burger King one day. Federal taxes pay for Military, NASA, FBI etc..

State Tax - this is a tax used to fund state level things. Some states use for law enforcement, others may use property or sales tax to fund police.

Property Tax - you don’t have to worry about this one. Your mom has it covered.

Catch 50 was the guy begging Spain for Columbus not to go. It’s a huge waste of money, and we have problems in Spain that need to be fixed.

Catch 50 was the caveman telling other caveman not to explore outside the cave. We have cave problems that need to be fixed.

Luckily history shows us simple-minded, short-sighted viewpoints are ignored and our evolution and curiosity move forward.

 

[catch54]

So much idiocy in one post... it’s tough to take it all all in.

First .. please enlighten yourself a bit.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39580591

Second - you do realize police are funded by local taxes, right? I hope you know that, but it doesn’t sound like you do.

Federal Tax - this is Fed line on your paycheck. It will be a small number, but I have faith you’ll make it to assistant manager in at Burger King one day. Federal taxes pay for Military, NASA, FBI etc..

State Tax - this is a tax used to fund state level things. Some states use for law enforcement, others may use property or sales tax to fund police.

Property Tax - you don’t have to worry about this one. Your mom has it covered.

Catch 50 was the guy begging Spain for Columbus not to go. It’s a huge waste of money, and we have problems in Spain that need to be fixed.

Catch 50 was the caveman telling other caveman not to explore outside the cave. We have cave problems that need to be fixed.

Luckily history shows us simple-minded, short-sighted viewpoints are ignored and our evolution and curiosity move forward.

You're the idiot.

Tell us what we need to be invented. I have read that about NASA a million times. Those things have already been invented. And we don't need to go to the moon to invent or develop new things.

Police funding can and has been funded by federal dollars as supplements. And the FBI and DEA are federal agencies.

Liberals like you don't understand we can depend on the private sector for much of our R&D. They see markets and needs and demand.

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

Well, I definitely did not see this thread turning into an argument about NASA.

On one hand, that is a little refreshing, as I don’t think we have gotten to the point of shooting each other over space exploration (although we did have juvenile name-calling, so it’s a start). However, in this thread we have people talking about their depression, stock-piling of weapons and ammo, supernatural forces at work, and families becoming alienated over petty arguments.

Shouldn’t there be alarm bells going off somewhere?

 

[TampaBaySkers]

You're the idiot.

Tell us what we need to be invented. I have read that about NASA a million times. Those things have already been invented. And we don't need to go to the moon to invent or develop new things.

Police funding can and has been funded by federal dollars as supplements. And the FBI and DEA are federal agencies.

Liberals like you don't understand we can depend on the private sector for much of our R&D. They see markets and needs and demand.

Now I have you triggered!

Did you read the article? NASA has to develop solutions to problems which lead to technological advances. Did you fail grade school science class?

Why are so obsessed with .01% of the Federal budget anyway? We actually get a lot of good of of this .01%.. surely you can find true wasteful spending that takes up much more of the federal budget.

I look forward to your next gem. All of your posts are usually wrong and not well thought out. Even when you post about a high school game you had the wrong date and some of players you mentioned don’t even play football anymore.

I think it’s time for you to retire from posting. You gave it a shot, but it’s not working out. I get it.. it’s tough to multitask flipping burgers and posting at the same time.

 

[ohio_husker]

This should check the boxes for just about everyone to disagree with. However, I found it interesting even though it is a very long read.

Reasons to discredit:
The Atlantic
Russian scientist
Political undercurrents
Not extreme in either direction

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/can-history-predict-future/616993/

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Mods, this has devolved into infighting, which wasn't intended, so if you want to lock it, please be my guest.

 

[redfanusa]

The old cliche is that you don't discuss religion or politics in polite company. The reason should be abundantly clear even on a Husker football board. You're not going to change anybody's mind, and all it is going to do is drive a big, fat wedge between people who otherwise share common interests and friendship.

Social media is like a rocket engine for division. I quit Facebook a year ago because the tribalism was making me hate some of the people I love most in this world. People get so caught up in it, and to what end? All it does is make everybody miserable.

Take a little free advice, or don't. I have a little exercise I do when I'm stuck in my two-hour commute, and wanting to murder everybody driving like douches around me. I look around at the other people in the cars. Not the cars, which are inanimate objects. The people inside. Then I try to image their backstory. They are all late getting home to pick up kids, or see their spouse, or get groceries, or unwind with a favorite show after a terrible day at work. We all miss time away from our loved ones, worry about money, struggle with the boring routines of life. Our differences in politics and religion are actually small differences.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

The old cliche is that you don't discuss religion or politics in polite company. The reason should be abundantly clear even on a Husker football board. You're not going to change anybody's mind, and all it is going to do is drive a big, fat wedge between people who otherwise share common interests and friendship.

Social media is like a rocket engine for division. I quit Facebook a year ago because the tribalism was making me hate some of the people I love most in this world. People get so caught up in it, and to what end? All it does is make everybody miserable.

Take a little free advice, or don't. I have a little exercise I do when I'm stuck in my two-hour commute, and wanting to murder everybody driving like douches around me. I look around at the other people in the cars. Not the cars, which are inanimate objects. The people inside. Then I try to image their backstory. They are all late getting home to pick up kids, or see their spouse, or get groceries, or unwind with a favorite show after a terrible day at work. We all miss time away from our loved ones, worry about money, struggle with the boring routines of life. Our differences in politics and religion are actually small differences.

Two hour commute?????

 

[catch54]

Just tell us what R&D is an urgent need of yours?

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Asteroid belt mining is not even close to being economically viable. Certainly the private sector won't do it.

I think Elon Musk is an idiot.

musk is a dreamer, not an idiot. his company is obscenely overvalued and he wouldn't know how to sit still in a million years. but not an idiot.

rocket to asteroids. drag asteroid back with another rocket. process above the planet. Shoot the waste off toward the sun so we don't make a mess. If the rockets are cheap enough it's not exactly a hard concept to pencil out.

The hard part is finding the right asteroid or separating the viable parts (with big booms). And you can skip that at first and just go after the ones that are the right size.

it's not THAT expensive on a relative basis -- it just depends on what you're dragging back. It's not like we have everything we need here on earth at completely viable levels. Rare earth elements come to mind. Lithium mining is so bad for the environment that nobody but china will do it.

It's not that far from viable today if the rockets are cheap enough -- and tech/automation changes that math. That's the whole point of tech.

edit: and if you don't think the private sector will fund something like that then you've never known a nerd or been around them. rich nerds would fall in love with this idea because they've played video games doing things like this before. silicon valley would eat this up with a spoon if the math penciled out or even close -- and then they'd find a way to be on the first trip. if musk has the means he would make the decision to try and do this in less than 3 seconds. maybe it would fail because it is a financial risk and they do that occasionally but the financial math isn't really that bad.

 

[jflores]

The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.

What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.

For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.

You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.

All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.

Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.

STEM is not STEM. I have a degree in aerospace engineering. I have zero interest in health sciences and medical research.

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

Lot of fools in this thread. I'm watching!

 

[jflores]

What the USG and private sector do in R&D is different and complimentary.

Companies do R&D to push out products. The USG does It to establish basic scientific principles and theory and what not that eventually get used in the development of some engineering task by those same companies.

 

[WHCSC]

It's not rocket science

 

[jflores]

My world isn't falling apart. We have issues, but minor ones.

My mom is a Trump fan, and me and my brothers are not, but other than a few barbs about Communist Kamala it hasn't ripped the family apart or anything. My brothers and I aren't Biden fans either. I think we're glad mostly that someone of Trump's particular personality is gone, and we expect the Senate GOP to do its job, or it's as much on the GOP the fate of the country as it is Biden.

I have a great job, my wife has great opportunities. It sucks a bit to have kids in remote school and general lockdown, but we're not on the cusp of losing our gourds either.

From the larger country level view it is concerning some of the items that have gained traction with the looting and stuff. Overall I don't expect a full Commie takeover because all indications of the election data is that folks generally "dumped Trump" but backfilled with more GOP folks down the ballot. The more progressive parts of the DNC platform haven't gained traction even by DNC admission and its likely the DNC loses the Congress if Biden veers too far left.

In terms of "**** hits the fan" level of stuff. There won't be a Communist regime here because of the 2nd Amendment. The right will panic about "Biden is going to take the guns" but no he's not. Even if he were to pass some sort of "disarm the people" bill, it could never be practically carried out. The police and military will never enforce it. A hundred million gun owners aren't just going to volunteer to give them up, whether through buybacks or whatever.

Bottom line, in Communist takeovers you have co-opt the Army to maintain your hold on power and enforce your policies. No communist movement is going to co-opt the US military. No one knows which particular generation might be called on to defend against its own govt, and I think we all hope its not ours.

 

[catch54]

musk is a dreamer, not an idiot. his company is obscenely overvalued and he wouldn't know how to sit still in a million years. but not an idiot.

rocket to asteroids. drag asteroid back with another rocket. process above the planet. Shoot the waste off toward the sun so we don't make a mess. If the rockets are cheap enough it's not exactly a hard concept to pencil out.

The hard part is finding the right asteroid or separating the viable parts (with big booms). And you can skip that at first and just go after the ones that are the right size.

it's not THAT expensive on a relative basis -- it just depends on what you're dragging back. It's not like we have everything we need here on earth at completely viable levels. Rare earth elements come to mind. Lithium mining is so bad for the environment that nobody but china will do it.

It's not that far from viable today if the rockets are cheap enough -- and tech/automation changes that math. That's the whole point of tech.

edit: and if you don't think the private sector will fund something like that then you've never known a nerd or been around them. rich nerds would fall in love with this idea because they've played video games doing things like this before. silicon valley would eat this up with a spoon if the math penciled out or even close -- and then they'd find a way to be on the first trip. if musk has the means he would make the decision to try and do this in less than 3 seconds. maybe it would fail because it is a financial risk and they do that occasionally but the financial math isn't really that bad.

I know you're wrong. These projects would be extremely expensive. We don't even know what the asteroids have. How often are they close enough.

It is not just the rockets. Mission engineers don't come cheap.

 

[catch54]

STEM is not STEM. I have a degree in aerospace engineering. I have zero interest in health sciences and medical research.

If you're working on missions to the moon and Mars, I want to fire you.

 

[catch54]

What the USG and private sector do in R&D is different and complimentary.

Companies do R&D to push out products. The USG does It to establish basic scientific principles and theory and what not that eventually get used in the development of some engineering task by those same companies.

I know your friend TampaHusker should tell us exactly what R&D is needed by the U.S. Government. Not throwing stuff at wall at wall ???

 

[jflores]

If you're working on missions to the moon and Mars, I want to fire you.

Nah. I actually never had interest in those even when I was in the field. I did DoD projects.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

I know your friend TampaHusker should tell us exactly what R&D is needed by the U.S. Government. Not throwing stuff at wall at wall ???

Just keep enjoying your cave. The rest of us will embrace our curiosity and continue to champion our natural drive to explore new worlds.

 

[jflores]

I know your friend TampaHusker should tell us exactly what R&D is needed by the U.S. Government. Not throwing stuff at wall at wall ???

I told you why. But you didn't comprehend.

 

[catch54]

Nah. I actually never had interest in those even when I was in the field. I did DoD projects.

I am glad to hear that.

 

[catch54]

Just keep enjoying your cave. The rest of us will embrace our curiosity and continue to champion our natural drive to explore new worlds.

You can do it with your own funds. There are plenty of interesting projects hear on earth that can actually help mankind.

You can BTW, blame Congress for no manned missions to the moon or Mars.

 

[catch54]

I told you why. But you didn't comprehend.

You told me why what?

 

[jflores]

You're the idiot.

1. And we don't need to go to the moon to invent or develop new things.

2. Liberals like you don't understand we can depend on the private sector for much of our R&D. They see markets and needs and demand.

Addressing your two key concerns.

1. No we don't. Iron sharpens iron as well all know. (Yay 90's husker football!). Space and underwater exploration are the two biggest technological challenges mankind has in front of it. Climbing that research mountain pays out more transformational tech than the easy routes. (Apologies to the Web 2.0 developers but iterative designs of the iPhone and Android hardware/ecosystem/walled gardens aren't fundamental technological leaps in the way that going to the moon was in a whole host fields).

2. I might take a swag that Trump is at least one of your heroes. He did create Space Force. He didn't kill NASA, and gave them at least political support in re-establishing US pre-eminence in civilian space. Don't blame the liberals, take it up with America's private sector president and self appointed best businessman and deal maker ever.

In reality, civilian space does a lot of things that need to be done that allow military space (NRO and Space Force) to stay on the cutting edge. Those things will still be done, the money still spent in a myriad of different ways. And because Boeing or LockMart can't make money on it, the USG will still foot the bill because it has "no fail" missions in military space that piggyback the gains made in civ space.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

You can do it with your own funds. There are plenty of interesting projects hear on earth that can actually help mankind.

You can BTW, blame Congress for no manned missions to the moon or Mars.

I’m a tax payer so it is my funds. Why are you so obsessed with .01% of the Federal Tax budget. Did Neil Armstrong bang your mom or something ?

 

[jflores]

The general problem we have in the budgetary realm is that we have no real framework of what we want the country to be.

America is a global super power. It maintains diplomacy (kinetic and otherwise) in all corners of the globe and in space. To do those things you need a whole host of departments that support, of which NASA is one.

One of the things I never really understood about the MAGA mindset was that, generally they wanted to pull back from the world and then start worrying about infrastructure projects or whatever. It was more or less assumed then, that the America that came about would be like today's, but with better roads.

That's a false assumption. You can't dismantle the various apparatus of global American power, and expect to enjoy the same leverage as you do now. If America is to be a global super power, many of the things that we have have to be there, if only as a "fleet in-being" to keep Allies and enemies honest.

Nominally to compete with the Chinese we will need a military/civ space program. And that was a really big focus of this last Administration, competing with the Chinese across multiple domains even as he rallied political support for himself about being more homeward focused.

Trump never really officially announced a new Cold War, but he basically acted like we. were in a new Cold War despite whatever he was preaching in arenas.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

I know you're wrong. These projects would be extremely expensive. We don't even know what the asteroids have. How often are they close enough.

It is not just the rockets. Mission engineers don't come cheap.

I never said not expensive. i said cheap on a relative basis. kinda like the ships to the new world were. it's a high up-front cost though which is the downside.

mission engineers are ridiculously cheap on a relative basis as well.

the math i saw showed getting aluminum at less than 5% of the cost currently as an example -- once your infrastructure was built anyway. So no, it's not a panacea. but you can see how it would be doable.

you'd need to build a space factory to separate the asteroid. developing and making that is the expensive part and with automation heading where it is that's where we're headed. the tech to see what's in an asteroid pretty much already exists. after that, you use one rocket to ship 50 there and send them back in bulk and even if some fail you still come out dollars ahead. the people you send would have a similar personality to oil-well workers. high pay for high risk.

it's probably single-digit trillions up front but the payoff is ridiculous.

considering amazon is over a trillion dollar company right now, you're looking at this being a possibility way sooner than you think.

 

[catch54]

Addressing your two key concerns.

1. No we don't. Iron sharpens iron as well all know. (Yay 90's husker football!). Space and underwater exploration are the two biggest technological challenges mankind has in front of it. Climbing that research mountain pays out more transformational tech than the easy routes. (Apologies to the Web 2.0 developers but iterative designs of the iPhone and Android hardware/ecosystem/walled gardens aren't fundamental technological leaps in the way that going to the moon was in a whole host fields).

2. I might take a swag that Trump is at least one of your heroes. He did create Space Force. He didn't kill NASA, and gave them at least political support in re-establishing US pre-eminence in civilian space. Don't blame the liberals, take it up with America's private sector president and self appointed best businessman and deal maker ever.

In reality, civilian space does a lot of things that need to be done that allow military space (NRO and Space Force) to stay on the cutting edge. Those things will still be done, the money still spent in a myriad of different ways. And because Boeing or LockMart can't make money on it, the USG will still foot the bill because it has "no fail" missions in military space that piggyback the gains made in civ space.

1. I hate Trump. I am totally disgusted by him and I think his policies are ****.

2. Space exploration is NOT Iron.

 

[jflores]

1. I hate Trump. I am totally disgusted by him and I think his policies are ****.

2. Space exploration is NOT Iron.

Must have been a real rough election for you. Don't like Trump. Wants to flame the libruls

 

[catch54]

I never said not expensive. i said cheap on a relative basis. kinda like the ships to the new world were. it's a high up-front cost though which is the downside.

mission engineers are ridiculously cheap on a relative basis as well.

the math i saw showed getting aluminum at less than 5% of the cost currently as an example -- once your infrastructure was built anyway. So no, it's not a panacea. but you can see how it would be doable.

you'd need to build a space factory to separate the asteroid. developing and making that is the expensive part and with automation heading where it is that's where we're headed. the tech to see what's in an asteroid pretty much already exists. after that, you use one rocket to ship 50 there and send them back in bulk and even if some fail you still come out dollars ahead. the people you send would have a similar personality to oil-well workers. high pay for high risk.

it's probably single-digit trillions up front but the payoff is ridiculous.

(There is no payoff)

considering amazon is over a trillion dollar company right now, you're looking at this being a possibility way sooner than you think.

 

[catch54]

Must have been a real rough election for you. Don't like Trump. Wants to flame the libruls

catch50 ... 2024. He's tan, rested and ready!

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

We’ve never had more access to information and also never been dumber

we are superstitious natives not hardwired for the world we’ve created. We have no problems and are now chewing on ourselves.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

i have no words i'm just laughing my *** off. no payoff lol... ok whatever not worth my time.

 

[jimmyjoseph]

The old cliche is that you don't discuss religion or politics in polite company. The reason should be abundantly clear even on a Husker football board. You're not going to change anybody's mind, and all it is going to do is drive a big, fat wedge between people who otherwise share common interests and friendship.

Social media is like a rocket engine for division. I quit Facebook a year ago because the tribalism was making me hate some of the people I love most in this world. People get so caught up in it, and to what end? All it does is make everybody miserable.

Take a little free advice, or don't. I have a little exercise I do when I'm stuck in my two-hour commute, and wanting to murder everybody driving like douches around me. I look around at the other people in the cars. Not the cars, which are inanimate objects. The people inside. Then I try to image their backstory. They are all late getting home to pick up kids, or see their spouse, or get groceries, or unwind with a favorite show after a terrible day at work. We all miss time away from our loved ones, worry about money, struggle with the boring routines of life. Our differences in politics and religion are actually small differences.

good advice

 

[jimmyjoseph]

My world isn't falling apart. We have issues, but minor ones.

My mom is a Trump fan, and me and my brothers are not, but other than a few barbs about Communist Kamala it hasn't ripped the family apart or anything. My brothers and I aren't Biden fans either. I think we're glad mostly that someone of Trump's particular personality is gone, and we expect the Senate GOP to do its job, or it's as much on the GOP the fate of the country as it is Biden.

I have a great job, my wife has great opportunities. It sucks a bit to have kids in remote school and general lockdown, but we're not on the cusp of losing our gourds either.

From the larger country level view it is concerning some of the items that have gained traction with the looting and stuff. Overall I don't expect a full Commie takeover because all indications of the election data is that folks generally "dumped Trump" but backfilled with more GOP folks down the ballot. The more progressive parts of the DNC platform haven't gained traction even by DNC admission and its likely the DNC loses the Congress if Biden veers too far left.

In terms of "**** hits the fan" level of stuff. There won't be a Communist regime here because of the 2nd Amendment. The right will panic about "Biden is going to take the guns" but no he's not. Even if he were to pass some sort of "disarm the people" bill, it could never be practically carried out. The police and military will never enforce it. A hundred million gun owners aren't just going to volunteer to give them up, whether through buybacks or whatever.

Bottom line, in Communist takeovers you have co-opt the Army to maintain your hold on power and enforce your policies. No communist movement is going to co-opt the US military. No one knows which particular generation might be called on to defend against its own govt, and I think we all hope its not ours.

why did you even bother responding? none of the fear brought on by the radical right will ever transpire. Its so stupid there is no reason to respond. the majority of republicans dont think all their rights are going to be taken away. Only the radical ones. almost always without college degrees. since they dont have good jobs they spend most their time in their basements reading about and joining radical groups so they feel like part of a group instead of isolated

 

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since they dont have good jobs they spend most their time in their basements

Takes one to know one?