They are not the ones that are causing the anarchy, they are the ones that believe the rhetoric that there is going to be all out anarchy. People who I love dearly-brother and stepfather-who think they need to hoard shells because someone/thing is coming to get them and take away the same liberties I enjoy. That the unknown someone/thing will target their liberties, guns, constitutional rights and not mine???
I admire and love the generations that have got us here to this point. That is what disappoints and saddens me the most. They are acting goofy because they have been misled when it comes to believing in current generation's motives. No boogey man is out there to destroy them.
I tell people you need to administration proof your life. Meaning get your life to a point where it doesn't matter who is the president and you will be fine either way. Not all of us can achieve that but it is possible for a lot of us. I got laid off last week at the age of 56 and have decided I am retiring. I have saved my whole life and my wife is a lot younger so she will keep working and supply the health insurance.
As for the original post, the people who are the most unhappy in this country and causing the rioting are not fans of Trump or Biden. I don't see them going away with Biden in charge. I am curious how he and local officials will deal with this now that they can't use Trump as their scape goat.
This goes beyond politics and money though. I've never spoken to so many people that are oddly now unhappy with their jobs or marriages just out of nowhere. I've caught myself a few times having thoughts that were not typical for me, and nothing has really changed in my life over the last year. We are in the midst of a spiritual war with the authorities and principalities of a different realm. The politics and covid stuff has just been an opening for them to influence our thinking. Kind of like a scab that a person just keeps picking at until it becomes much worse.I tell people you need to administration proof your life. Meaning get your life to a point where it doesn't matter who is the president and you will be fine either way. Not all of us can achieve that but it is possible for a lot of us. I got laid off last week at the age of 56 and have decided I am retiring. I have saved my whole life and my wife is a lot younger so she will keep working and supply the health insurance.
As for the original post, the people who are the most unhappy in this country and causing the rioting are not fans of Trump or Biden. I don't see them going away with Biden in charge. I am curious how he and local officials will deal with this now that they can't use Trump as their scape goat.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody wants to shoot someone, but now all of a sudden its not out of the realm of consideration.My great state has it figured out.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/florida-governor-drafts-laws-that-allow-people-to-shoot-looters/amp/
Jesus -get a grip, Good god. We need to extend mental health services.We are in the midst of a spiritual war with the authorities and principalities of a different realm.
Biased/slanted "news" media and social media are the scourge of our society and will, in large part, be what ultimately tears us down. There's too much disinformation and posturing that too many people are being subjected to/brainwashed by. The rise of political fringe groups such as Antifa and Black Lives Matter as well as all of the White Nationalists and their ilk will lead us to civil war. I always marveled at other countries who had protests/riots in their streets after elections of changes of power. Now that's us. How did we ever allow ourselves to get here? I feel badly for my grandkids.
Feels a lot like 2008, when we were bracing for life under Sharia law, $7 per gallon gasoline, soaring inflation and a stock market so beaten down that the DJIA would surely never crawl back over 10,000.
If any of that **** had actually come to pass, I'd really be hiding the covers now. Instead, I'll just keep building a good life for myself and my family in the best country in the world, regardless of who lives in the White House.
If you really think that, then go ahead and wallow in your misery for the next four years. It's the new national pastime, for both tribes.Except something happened to slow that down. Was it not headed that direction?
Is there a right-wing version?For those that enjoy documentaries, I highly recommend "Patriocracy." It's an excellent watch on how things have changed in DC, primarily driven by slanted media on both sides. Compromise now equals failure for those who feel their only job is to get re-elected. It's a little left-leaning for those opposed to that, but will give you a general jist of what's happened in the past 25 years.
This x1000. Man some great stuff in this thread. I still believe that this is the greatest country in the world, and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.Feels a lot like 2008, when we were bracing for life under Sharia law, $7 per gallon gasoline, soaring inflation and a stock market so beaten down that the DJIA would surely never crawl back over 10,000.
If any of that **** had actually come to pass, I'd really be hiding the covers now. Instead, I'll just keep building a good life for myself and my family in the best country in the world, regardless of who lives in the White House.
Schindler’s List
I would like to hear your "compelling argument". Every generation and demographic holds responsibility for the state of the union to some degree. Right now, personal accountability is severely lacking everywhere. Some people think that past presidential administrations caused them great hardship. Some think that a change in the current administration will magically make career criminals suddenly stop violently engaging with others in society and law enforcement. Some think that they should be able to just do what they want in life without pursuing or offering any socially redeeming values, and have the government take care of them. Personal accountability. I see it in a lot of people. It is nowhere to be found in a lot of people...that were born between 1965 and 1985.One could make a compelling argument that much of the blame for many of the problems in American society lie at the feet of baby boomers. (I am Gen-X) It certainly is an interesting point of view.
I’m doing my part!If people didn't watch / listen to / support the above, they would not exist.
Great illustration. Tolerance seems to be evaporating.IMHO there is something to this.
About 6 weeks ago, my youngest brother, who is 42, found out that my folks were voting for Trump. And he absolutely lost his ****. Not going to air family laundry, but he said and wrote things that you wouldn't say to your enemies.
As a family, we rarely, if ever, talked politics growing up. Just routine small talk type stuff mostly.
At any rate, as the meltdown was occurring, I asked to be removed from the text string which included my folks, myself, himself, and my sister, that was becoming increasingly vile.
He then turned on me. Asked me how I was voting. I told him that he doesn't need to be concerned with that and that I am not concerned with how he is voting, that has nothing to do with our relationship.
His response was the lynchpin:
"If you're not worried how Mom or Dad or I vote then you're a huge part of the problem and are what's wrong with the direction of this country".
Not going to air the fallout.
However, this is exactly what I'm seeing. Total binary thinking. On the right. On the left.
If you're not for us, you're against us. If you don't like Trump that means you like Biden and support Pelosi . If you don't like Biden you like Trump and love McConnell. If you're not demonstrating in the streets for cause X you are against us and are part of the problem -- the enemy.
I don't know if that's being taught in schools. I don't know if it's an effect of bring able to insulate yourself on social media with only like minded individuals. But it's a real problem.
Thank you!No ****.
For 99% of us, nothing will change no matter who is President.
IMHO there is something to this.
About 6 weeks ago, my youngest brother, who is 42, found out that my folks were voting for Trump. And he absolutely lost his ****. Not going to air family laundry, but he said and wrote things that you wouldn't say to your enemies.
As a family, we rarely, if ever, talked politics growing up. Just routine small talk type stuff mostly.
At any rate, as the meltdown was occurring, I asked to be removed from the text string which included my folks, myself, himself, and my sister, that was becoming increasingly vile.
He then turned on me. Asked me how I was voting. I told him that he doesn't need to be concerned with that and that I am not concerned with how he is voting, that has nothing to do with our relationship.
His response was the lynchpin:
"If you're not worried how Mom or Dad or I vote then you're a huge part of the problem and are what's wrong with the direction of this country".
Not going to air the fallout.
However, this is exactly what I'm seeing. Total binary thinking. On the right. On the left.
If you're not for us, you're against us. If you don't like Trump that means you like Biden and support Pelosi . If you don't like Biden you like Trump and love McConnell. If you're not demonstrating in the streets for cause X you are against us and are part of the problem -- the enemy.
I don't know if that's being taught in schools. I don't know if it's an effect of bring able to insulate yourself on social media with only like minded individuals. But it's a real problem.
Great illustration. Tolerance seems to be evaporating.
Cut your brother some slack. Maintaining all those HuskerOnline screen names is probably pretty time-consuming.A hatred of Trump does NOT mean we like Biden and support Pelosi.
My youngest brother is a Trump supporter. He barely graduated high school and barely worked his whole adult life. He has a big pickup truck (thanks to his inheritance when dad passed away). At the very least he could have used that truck to earn a living. He has no friends, lives in mom's basement and is nasty to everyone. A Trump voter.
Cut your brother some slack. Maintaining all those HuskerOnline screen names is probably pretty time-consuming.
NOW, we gotta problem, him & me....He lives on Long Island. He has no interest in Husker football.
All the real gun talk, ammo hording and suggestions to shoot someone for a property crime...you think this is the mindset that needs a mental health solution?Jesus -get a grip, Good god. We need to extend mental health services.
Many people don't "tolerate" me because I have a honest, well thought out disgust of wasteful taxpayer spending on space exploration.
you sound like a cult follower. i'm not interestedI'm getting a serious vibe that things are really starting to go wrong in this country.
I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but wanted to get a sanity check, to see if anyone else is noticing this as well.
I know we have had pockets of instability here and there in this country for awhile, mostly in blue states, but not the rest of the country. Here in Florida, things have been chill for most of the Pandemic.
Just in the last week, taking in the headlines, social media, and just my own social circle.. I'm picking up on a more generalized instability and malaise around the entire country.
I think most everyone in my offline social circle has sort of freaked out about one thing or another in just the past week, and while I'm doing my best to keep everyone calm, I'm secretly now having some real concerns.
Is anyone else getting this kind of vibe?
I'm not really concerned at this point with who wins or loses anymore, and not here to fight or argue sides, I'm just trying to look at things from the big picture, 50,000 foot perspective, and honestly question that the new administration may not be able to handle this mess, and wonder if things could start to come apart.
For those that are keeping their family and friends calm, please keep doing this.
But among you guys, tell me I'm not the only one who is starting to have some serious concerns where things are headed.
Just when I think you can’t say anything dumber ... then wham this gem. Space exploration is less than one-tenth of 1% of our Federal budget. So much tech comes out of space exploration. Since you’re a self proclaimed numbers guy maybe you can explain how it’s wasteful.
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.
What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.
For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.
You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.
All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.
Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.
What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.
For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.
You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.
All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.
Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.
If we don't get up there and mine/exploit Mars, the Moon and asteroids the other countries (ESPECIALLY CHINA AND RUSSIA) will get extremely rich while we miss out. We will be going up there in the fairly near future, probably a lot.
I've seen some reasonably compelling math about asteroid belt mining and space automated production at some point if elon musk ever gets his rockets consistent and keeps them reasonably cheap. Mars and the asteroid belt aren't exactly that far apart in stellar terms.
It's not a tomorrow thing but 30-50 years is a long time with tech and some things like that could change very quickly with the right stimulus.
To be honest that's what I have always thought Elon musk's push into space was about -- his lifetime end-game on that front (give or take anyway). A way to break the current economic paradigms that only someone like him could pull off.
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.
What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.
For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.
You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.
All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.
Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.