OT: instability and malaise

RiLLLLLLLLey

Junior
Oct 14, 2017
1,242
332
0
You're a bishop, for God's sake!
 

TampaBaySkers

Senior
Oct 30, 2010
18,392
527
103
They are not the ones that are causing the anarchy, they are the ones that believe the rhetoric that there is going to be all out anarchy. People who I love dearly-brother and stepfather-who think they need to hoard shells because someone/thing is coming to get them and take away the same liberties I enjoy. That the unknown someone/thing will target their liberties, guns, constitutional rights and not mine???

I admire and love the generations that have got us here to this point. That is what disappoints and saddens me the most. They are acting goofy because they have been misled when it comes to believing in current generation's motives. No boogey man is out there to destroy them.

I hope they don’t live in Portland or Seattle.
 

bmb81664

Senior
Feb 5, 2003
2,224
803
113
I tell people you need to administration proof your life. Meaning get your life to a point where it doesn't matter who is the president and you will be fine either way. Not all of us can achieve that but it is possible for a lot of us. I got laid off last week at the age of 56 and have decided I am retiring. I have saved my whole life and my wife is a lot younger so she will keep working and supply the health insurance.

As for the original post, the people who are the most unhappy in this country and causing the rioting are not fans of Trump or Biden. I don't see them going away with Biden in charge. I am curious how he and local officials will deal with this now that they can't use Trump as their scape goat.
 

TampaBaySkers

Senior
Oct 30, 2010
18,392
527
103
I tell people you need to administration proof your life. Meaning get your life to a point where it doesn't matter who is the president and you will be fine either way. Not all of us can achieve that but it is possible for a lot of us. I got laid off last week at the age of 56 and have decided I am retiring. I have saved my whole life and my wife is a lot younger so she will keep working and supply the health insurance.

As for the original post, the people who are the most unhappy in this country and causing the rioting are not fans of Trump or Biden. I don't see them going away with Biden in charge. I am curious how he and local officials will deal with this now that they can't use Trump as their scape goat.

My great state has it figured out.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/florida-governor-drafts-laws-that-allow-people-to-shoot-looters/amp/
 

Crazyhole

All-American
Jun 4, 2004
27,841
9,769
0
I tell people you need to administration proof your life. Meaning get your life to a point where it doesn't matter who is the president and you will be fine either way. Not all of us can achieve that but it is possible for a lot of us. I got laid off last week at the age of 56 and have decided I am retiring. I have saved my whole life and my wife is a lot younger so she will keep working and supply the health insurance.

As for the original post, the people who are the most unhappy in this country and causing the rioting are not fans of Trump or Biden. I don't see them going away with Biden in charge. I am curious how he and local officials will deal with this now that they can't use Trump as their scape goat.
This goes beyond politics and money though. I've never spoken to so many people that are oddly now unhappy with their jobs or marriages just out of nowhere. I've caught myself a few times having thoughts that were not typical for me, and nothing has really changed in my life over the last year. We are in the midst of a spiritual war with the authorities and principalities of a different realm. The politics and covid stuff has just been an opening for them to influence our thinking. Kind of like a scab that a person just keeps picking at until it becomes much worse.
 

otismotis08

All-Conference
Jan 5, 2012
12,613
2,740
113
I stocked up over the past several years...but felt like I had enough so stopped stockpiling.
I am second-guessing myself now. Less interested in going to the range now. Every round counts. Especially when you're stocking multiple calibers/loads.
 

Mr.Scary13

All-Conference
Dec 7, 2014
4,636
1,877
0
Biased/slanted "news" media and social media are the scourge of our society and will, in large part, be what ultimately tears us down. There's too much disinformation and posturing that too many people are being subjected to/brainwashed by. The rise of political fringe groups such as Antifa and Black Lives Matter as well as all of the White Nationalists and their ilk will lead us to civil war. I always marveled at other countries who had protests/riots in their streets after elections of changes of power. Now that's us. How did we ever allow ourselves to get here? I feel badly for my grandkids.

Define all these white nationalists you speak of and what are they and what are they doing.....
 

TruHusker

All-Conference
Sep 21, 2001
12,117
2,401
98
Feels a lot like 2008, when we were bracing for life under Sharia law, $7 per gallon gasoline, soaring inflation and a stock market so beaten down that the DJIA would surely never crawl back over 10,000.

If any of that **** had actually come to pass, I'd really be hiding the covers now. Instead, I'll just keep building a good life for myself and my family in the best country in the world, regardless of who lives in the White House.

Except something happened to slow that down. Was it not headed that direction?
 

Husker4real_rivals373787

All-Conference
Nov 25, 2017
3,118
1,091
0
I'll answer the OP - no. Well, maybe a little malaise - which to me is just a fancy way of saying I get bored being home by myself all day. My wife works at a school and goes into the office. I've been working from home for 8 months. Zoom calls and IM chats help get the work done, but it would be nice to have some small talk with co-workers again. But, this is an incredibly minor annoyance and one that I am easily able to live with. I would also like to go to a football game or baseball game or basketball game. But again, with these events being televised - and with most of my sports consumption being from television anyway - I'm not suffering in any way, shape, or form.

I'm not sure why people invite drama into their lives. They get so worked up over things that have little to impact on their lives. I have to believe that the overwhelming majority of people are able to manage their lives just fine; are able to filter our the extremist nonsense that fills social media, appropriately dismissing the lunatic fringe as just that; and won't feel the need to start shooting people that disagree with them.
 

schuele

All-American
Apr 17, 2005
21,124
5,734
0
Except something happened to slow that down. Was it not headed that direction?
If you really think that, then go ahead and wallow in your misery for the next four years. It's the new national pastime, for both tribes.
 
Aug 21, 2010
1,148
334
0
For those that enjoy documentaries, I highly recommend "Patriocracy." It's an excellent watch on how things have changed in DC, primarily driven by slanted media on both sides. Compromise now equals failure for those who feel their only job is to get re-elected. It's a little left-leaning for those opposed to that, but will give you a general jist of what's happened in the past 25 years.
 

otismotis08

All-Conference
Jan 5, 2012
12,613
2,740
113
For those that enjoy documentaries, I highly recommend "Patriocracy." It's an excellent watch on how things have changed in DC, primarily driven by slanted media on both sides. Compromise now equals failure for those who feel their only job is to get re-elected. It's a little left-leaning for those opposed to that, but will give you a general jist of what's happened in the past 25 years.
Is there a right-wing version?
 

EastOregonHusker

Redshirt
Jul 2, 2020
333
0
0
Feels a lot like 2008, when we were bracing for life under Sharia law, $7 per gallon gasoline, soaring inflation and a stock market so beaten down that the DJIA would surely never crawl back over 10,000.

If any of that **** had actually come to pass, I'd really be hiding the covers now. Instead, I'll just keep building a good life for myself and my family in the best country in the world, regardless of who lives in the White House.
This x1000. Man some great stuff in this thread. I still believe that this is the greatest country in the world, and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
 

Tarheelhusker

All-Conference
Mar 28, 2003
21,599
1,110
3
We don’t have to wait 4 years, this BS starts with mid terms & in just two MFing years, the presidential crap & lying starts yet again. Can’t wait.
 

BigMike71

Freshman
Dec 10, 2017
380
80
0
One could make a compelling argument that much of the blame for many of the problems in American society lie at the feet of baby boomers. (I am Gen-X) It certainly is an interesting point of view.

I would like to hear your "compelling argument". Every generation and demographic holds responsibility for the state of the union to some degree. Right now, personal accountability is severely lacking everywhere. Some people think that past presidential administrations caused them great hardship. Some think that a change in the current administration will magically make career criminals suddenly stop violently engaging with others in society and law enforcement. Some think that they should be able to just do what they want in life without pursuing or offering any socially redeeming values, and have the government take care of them. Personal accountability. I see it in a lot of people. It is nowhere to be found in a lot of people...that were born between 1965 and 1985.
 

B1G RED RULES

All-Conference
Sep 7, 2013
4,154
1,132
0
IMHO there is something to this.

About 6 weeks ago, my youngest brother, who is 42, found out that my folks were voting for Trump. And he absolutely lost his ****. Not going to air family laundry, but he said and wrote things that you wouldn't say to your enemies.

As a family, we rarely, if ever, talked politics growing up. Just routine small talk type stuff mostly.

At any rate, as the meltdown was occurring, I asked to be removed from the text string which included my folks, myself, himself, and my sister, that was becoming increasingly vile.

He then turned on me. Asked me how I was voting. I told him that he doesn't need to be concerned with that and that I am not concerned with how he is voting, that has nothing to do with our relationship.

His response was the lynchpin:

"If you're not worried how Mom or Dad or I vote then you're a huge part of the problem and are what's wrong with the direction of this country".

Not going to air the fallout.

However, this is exactly what I'm seeing. Total binary thinking. On the right. On the left.

If you're not for us, you're against us. If you don't like Trump that means you like Biden and support Pelosi . If you don't like Biden you like Trump and love McConnell. If you're not demonstrating in the streets for cause X you are against us and are part of the problem -- the enemy.

I don't know if that's being taught in schools. I don't know if it's an effect of bring able to insulate yourself on social media with only like minded individuals. But it's a real problem.
Great illustration. Tolerance seems to be evaporating.
 

catch54

Senior
Feb 5, 2003
30,272
625
113
IMHO there is something to this.

About 6 weeks ago, my youngest brother, who is 42, found out that my folks were voting for Trump. And he absolutely lost his ****. Not going to air family laundry, but he said and wrote things that you wouldn't say to your enemies.

As a family, we rarely, if ever, talked politics growing up. Just routine small talk type stuff mostly.

At any rate, as the meltdown was occurring, I asked to be removed from the text string which included my folks, myself, himself, and my sister, that was becoming increasingly vile.

He then turned on me. Asked me how I was voting. I told him that he doesn't need to be concerned with that and that I am not concerned with how he is voting, that has nothing to do with our relationship.

His response was the lynchpin:

"If you're not worried how Mom or Dad or I vote then you're a huge part of the problem and are what's wrong with the direction of this country".

Not going to air the fallout.

However, this is exactly what I'm seeing. Total binary thinking. On the right. On the left.

If you're not for us, you're against us. If you don't like Trump that means you like Biden and support Pelosi . If you don't like Biden you like Trump and love McConnell. If you're not demonstrating in the streets for cause X you are against us and are part of the problem -- the enemy.

I don't know if that's being taught in schools. I don't know if it's an effect of bring able to insulate yourself on social media with only like minded individuals. But it's a real problem.

A hatred of Trump does NOT mean we like Biden and support Pelosi.

My youngest brother is a Trump supporter. He barely graduated high school and barely worked his whole adult life. He has a big pickup truck (thanks to his inheritance when dad passed away). At the very least he could have used that truck to earn a living. He has no friends, lives in mom's basement and is nasty to everyone. A Trump voter.
 

schuele

All-American
Apr 17, 2005
21,124
5,734
0
A hatred of Trump does NOT mean we like Biden and support Pelosi.

My youngest brother is a Trump supporter. He barely graduated high school and barely worked his whole adult life. He has a big pickup truck (thanks to his inheritance when dad passed away). At the very least he could have used that truck to earn a living. He has no friends, lives in mom's basement and is nasty to everyone. A Trump voter.
Cut your brother some slack. Maintaining all those HuskerOnline screen names is probably pretty time-consuming.
 

TampaBaySkers

Senior
Oct 30, 2010
18,392
527
103
Many people don't "tolerate" me because I have a honest, well thought out disgust of wasteful taxpayer spending on space exploration.

Just when I think you can’t say anything dumber ... then wham this gem. Space exploration is less than one-tenth of 1% of our Federal budget. So much tech comes out of space exploration. Since you’re a self proclaimed numbers guy maybe you can explain how it’s wasteful.
 

jimmyjoseph

All-Conference
Jun 18, 2020
4,574
3,884
113
I'm getting a serious vibe that things are really starting to go wrong in this country.

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but wanted to get a sanity check, to see if anyone else is noticing this as well.

I know we have had pockets of instability here and there in this country for awhile, mostly in blue states, but not the rest of the country. Here in Florida, things have been chill for most of the Pandemic.

Just in the last week, taking in the headlines, social media, and just my own social circle.. I'm picking up on a more generalized instability and malaise around the entire country.

I think most everyone in my offline social circle has sort of freaked out about one thing or another in just the past week, and while I'm doing my best to keep everyone calm, I'm secretly now having some real concerns.

Is anyone else getting this kind of vibe?

I'm not really concerned at this point with who wins or loses anymore, and not here to fight or argue sides, I'm just trying to look at things from the big picture, 50,000 foot perspective, and honestly question that the new administration may not be able to handle this mess, and wonder if things could start to come apart.

For those that are keeping their family and friends calm, please keep doing this.

But among you guys, tell me I'm not the only one who is starting to have some serious concerns where things are headed.
you sound like a cult follower. i'm not interested
 

catch54

Senior
Feb 5, 2003
30,272
625
113
Just when I think you can’t say anything dumber ... then wham this gem. Space exploration is less than one-tenth of 1% of our Federal budget. So much tech comes out of space exploration. Since you’re a self proclaimed numbers guy maybe you can explain how it’s wasteful.

The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.

What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.

For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.

You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.

All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.

Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.
 

zrob_rivals105618

Sophomore
May 22, 2005
516
114
0
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.

What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.

For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.

You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.

All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.

Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.

If we don't get up there and mine/exploit Mars, the Moon and asteroids the other countries (ESPECIALLY CHINA AND RUSSIA) will get extremely rich while we miss out. We will be going up there in the fairly near future, probably a lot.
 

Kleitusbpn

Sophomore
Apr 27, 2008
903
192
0
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.

What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.

For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.

You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.

All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.

Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.


I've seen some reasonably compelling math about asteroid belt mining and space automated production at some point if elon musk ever gets his rockets consistent and keeps them reasonably cheap. Mars and the asteroid belt aren't exactly that far apart in stellar terms.

It's not a tomorrow thing but 30-50 years is a long time with tech and some things like that could change very quickly with the right stimulus.

To be honest that's what I have always thought Elon musk's push into space was about -- his lifetime end-game on that front (give or take anyway). A way to break the current economic paradigms that only someone like him could pull off.
 

catch54

Senior
Feb 5, 2003
30,272
625
113
If we don't get up there and mine/exploit Mars, the Moon and asteroids the other countries (ESPECIALLY CHINA AND RUSSIA) will get extremely rich while we miss out. We will be going up there in the fairly near future, probably a lot.

You don't understand. There is NOTHING of economic value out there. If Russia and China are going to be stupid,
then I say ok. Let them waste their money. Let them weaken themselves.

BTW, we don't need zero gravity to write computer code.
 

catch54

Senior
Feb 5, 2003
30,272
625
113
I've seen some reasonably compelling math about asteroid belt mining and space automated production at some point if elon musk ever gets his rockets consistent and keeps them reasonably cheap. Mars and the asteroid belt aren't exactly that far apart in stellar terms.

It's not a tomorrow thing but 30-50 years is a long time with tech and some things like that could change very quickly with the right stimulus.

To be honest that's what I have always thought Elon musk's push into space was about -- his lifetime end-game on that front (give or take anyway). A way to break the current economic paradigms that only someone like him could pull off.

Asteroid belt mining is not even close to being economically viable. Certainly the private sector won't do it.

I think Elon Musk is an idiot.
 

TampaBaySkers

Senior
Oct 30, 2010
18,392
527
103
The total NASA budget is about $20-24 billion per year. For many years spending on manned space exploration has been about $6 billion per year with unmanned exploration about the same. Space exploration is NOT what we do in low earth orbit. Which we do is research. I don't have a problem with basic research that is reasonable and useful. Or work to maintain our many satellites for the military, for communications, weather/environmental/agricultural surveillance, etc.

What I am against is missions to the moon and Mars. NO congress will ever spend the funds needed. Of which we waste those $6 billion or so every year. I believe that most members of Congress and Presidents are afraid of being thought of as dumb. Just like you called me. There is no reason to go to the moon or Mars. The environments there are hostile to life without air or water. There is no economic reason to so. If tourists want to go and die, let them finance it themselves. Of course they could never come close to raising anywhere near enough money.

For arguments sakes, let's say there was plenty coal on the moon. I don't know how much it costs to purchase and ship coal form say Wyoming to Lincoln. I am going to guess between $40 and $100/ton. To get the same coal from the moon to earth would cost $ millions per ton. Nobody would want to work there anyway. it is pretty much dark all the time. Entertainment would be limited. Workers there could not go for a walk on a sunny day with fresh air. They couldn't go to a sporting event and could only see taped concerts.

You could not see family or friends. If a loved one passed away, people couldn't just hop on a flight home to say goodbye or attend a funeral. People would be limited to a very small circle of other people. No married people would sign up. NASA or any other employer would have to pay enough to support living on the moon and back home for the family. There is nothing they could do on the moon to remotely have the economic value to justify a high salary. Food would be terrible and boring.

All the STEM talent working on space exploration could be better used for healthcare research, among other areas of our economy where it is hard to find good STEM talent. As for the $$ saved, I would use it for drug and law enforcement.

Most of all, I absolutely hate how people have no critical thinking on this and engage in 100% fantasy.

Here’s your major problem. You are being myopic, and your thought process is not unlike a Neanderthal. Actually my apologies to the Neanderthals as they were brave enough of venture outside the cave.

If we halt all exploration we will lose out on tech we can’t even dream of. I want YOU to try to use some critical thinking skills. Do some research on all the tech that was developed due to space exploration.

You want to miss out on all this tech to spend more on the DEA? At least give the money back to the tax payers

Your high school teachers are ashamed of you simple- minded thinking skills.
 

tpmcg_rivals137159

All-Conference
Mar 25, 2002
10,437
1,024
0
in light of everything im seeing today, i'm going to try and be more gracious and thoughtful.
im not always the best at either.
our choices are about all we can control.
id like to see a self-imposed moratorium on cellphone cameras, a lot of people are not in the right frame of mind, right now.
we're far too concerned with social media.