In theory, yes of course they do. I just think the benefit is almost being offset by the side effects. They probably have a marginal effect.
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There is no doubt some of that going on. The vast majority of COVID deaths reported though are real. My spouse sees multiple people die every single day from COVID. I lost a 66 year old acquaintance less than 2 weeks ago and he didn't have any other problems. Good guy who had retired just a few months before from a career as a department head at a hospital. If you're young and healthy your odds are almost zero of dying from it. That doesn't mean you can't get seriously ill.
I'm just reading the terrain, and we have 12 months worth of time to look back on. Places with mask mandates haven't really done that much better than places that don't have them, so there has to be some other factor involved. Distancing is obviously the most effective tactic to slowing the spread, I think everybody can agree on this. Beyond that though, there really isn't strong evidence to point to anything being singularly effective.
I never advocated for lockdown anywhere in this thread. I happen to agree with most of what is written in that accord.
I still go to work and see my patients - most of my patients being vulnerable populations. I own my company so I am in no way required to put myself at the risk. I wish people would be a little more compassionate with their choices. I am under forty so I am not necessarily fearing for my life if I contract the virus but I am under no illusions that if I did get sick that I won’t end up in the hospital or I might pass it onto someone and it will kill them.
It bothers me that people with absolutely no business making recommendations do so under the guise of “common sense”. I can only roll my eyes at some of the assertions in this thread but it is what it is.
In my experience very few people are anti-maskers when it matters. I can only think of two patients that objected to wearing one when they entered my office. One scoffed and put one on and the other we refused service. No big deal. I can’t say for certain whether my attempts will spare myself or others from disease, but it is the least I can do. The few people who do object to simple public health measures when it matters seem very proud of it. Im not really sure when a lack of compassion became a badge of pride.
My only solace is a quote from a TV show. “In every life, there comes a day of reckoning - a time when unsettled scores demand retribution, and our own lies and transgressions are finally laid bare.”
This is probably the worst analogy. First off if you still get 1/4 of the pee on you even with a blanket but on take one drop of pee to get you sick. Guess what you still get it. I was outside with my surgical masks and wanted to see how well I could see my breath. Was literally just like not wearing one. So how could that mask stop a virus particle invisible to the eye when it couldn't stop my breath that I could see. Also masks have been studied on their effectiveness from the flu and guess what no study showed that they were effective at stopping it. Also the way people think of masks is that they invincible. Everybody seems to act like normal and not stay away from each other. Which is worse then just not wearing a mask.
Here is the cdc study done with masks and flu.
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
Pandemic Influenza—Personal Protective Measures
wwwnc.cdc.gov
Statistically you have much higher chance getting the flu 14 of the 15 years you received the vaccine. Vaccines certainly help, but are not 100%.
Theory is great until it doesn't apply to the real world.
If they worked wouldn't there be something to point to? Would California, mask central and commie lockdown heaven, be having their apparently worst outbreak yet? Wouldn't North Dakota have had a much milder outbreak than South Dakota?
What if masks are collecting and concentrating virus particles near peoples' airways, causing more infections? No one seems worried about that.
And they lied about asymptomatic spread to get everyone to wear masks.
The most likely answer is that masks do nothing and having everyone wear them is pointless.
This is probably the worst analogy. First off if you still get 1/4 of the pee on you even with a blanket but on take one drop of pee to get you sick. Guess what you still get it. I was outside with my surgical masks and wanted to see how well I could see my breath. Was literally just like not wearing one. So how could that mask stop a virus particle invisible to the eye when it couldn't stop my breath that I could see. Also masks have been studied on their effectiveness from the flu and guess what no study showed that they were effective at stopping it. Also the way people think of masks is that they invincible. Everybody seems to act like normal and not stay away from each other. Which is worse then just not wearing a mask.
Here is the cdc study done with masks and flu.
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
Pandemic Influenza—Personal Protective Measures
He is well aware of the study, we've only posted it 100 times in the last 9 months. We also knows his analogy is garbage. He gets a kick out of being disingenuous.
Masks no.
Washing hands no.
The way you social distance at a grocery store or Walmart or bar or restaurant? No.
Just think about washing hands for a second. There are studies and research that shows electric hand dryers blow fecal bacteria all over your just washed hands - not to mention the coronavirus and influenza and common cold if it's in the air. Yet I'd guess at least 50% of public bathrooms have electric hand dryers. Where's the public health outcry? I thought we couldn't be too safe? How can they condone these super spreading machines?
The mask garbage gained so much attention at least in part to how Asian countries like Japan, and South Korea responded. Yet many there do not have a habit of automatic handwashing after using the toilet in China (77%), Japan (70%), South Korea (61%). https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/study-shows-hand-washing-is-key-against-covid-19.html
I'm not saying stop washing your hands, but clearly the level of perceived and actual cleanliness is questionable.
The way you question this it's like you think the general population is at risk. You realize the vast majority is old people right? And even then only a small percent of them.
A virus so dangerous healthcare workers have to do ritualistic dances to the virus gods to keep it away.
I will just leave this. Stupid is as Stupid does!
Certainly gives us a little bit of perspective. If the highest rate of growth in deaths is among the lowest rate from Covid, it would seem that overall death counts aren't an accurate representation of how deadly the virus is, at least not directly.
The way I phrased it was purely curiosity in your opinion.
I think I have it now. Not sure you will convince anyone any different than they already feel, but preach on brother.
How would we know? We never tested for the flu with tests that could be gamed to show a ridiculous amount of false positives. In fact they've done almost everything differently than ever before. Why would we scrap 100 years of medical experience and try something else?
All Corona viruses that I'm aware of are easily transmitted by fomites. Considering that many if not most of the people who get COVID don't know how they got it, it's pretty damned tough to know what mode of transmission is the most prevalent. He certainly made some good points about the problem constantly having to adjust a mask causes. There are just so many possibilities for "breaks" in sanitary technique when trying to prevent exposure to the virus. It's virtually impossible to completely prevent. Whether it's the leaks around a mask, handling the mask, or getting too close to other people my BIGGEST ***** about masks is THE FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY WEARING A MASK GIVES SOME PEOPLE. I DON'T CARE IF YOU WEARING A MASK. KEEP THE HELL AWAY FROM ME.
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I'd believe it was easily transmitted by fomites if the virus lived on regular surfaces for a long time. But it dies in like 3 to 6 seconds in sunlight.
Telling the public to wear masks was never going to work. It was stupid and destined to fail. Yet another brilliant screwup by the govt.
Going to the bar to watch the Chiefs. I'll save a margarita for ya.
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If it dies in 3-6 seconds in sunlight, how is it possible that it can exist in an aerosol? Or on a mask? Certainly it has to survive much longer than that, otherwise it would be gone by now.
masking is an example of a public health intervention -- it can be nearly worthless (say 1- 5% effective) when looked at from an individual perspective
but on a population scale - a 1- 5% efficacy spread over a population of 100,000,000 has the potential to benefit 1,000,000 - 5,000,000
but on a population scale - a 1- 5% efficacy spread over a population of 100,000,000 has the potential to benefit 1,000,000 - 5,000,000
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There are some caveats and the type of light matters. Unable to find the article that previously cited the 3-6 seconds.
Remember the vast majority of transmission is in a home.
Here's total deaths back to 2010.
2019 was smallest year over year increase in deaths in the last 10 years, by a wide margin.
It'll be interesting to see what the increase from 2019 to 2020 is and get the population numbers as well.
In the last 10 years deaths have never decreased so we shouldn't expect them to this year either.
2019 was smallest year over year increase in deaths in the last 10 years, by a wide margin.
It'll be interesting to see what the increase from 2019 to 2020 is and get the population numbers as well.
In the last 10 years deaths have never decreased so we shouldn't expect them to this year either.
My wife got sick a couple weeks ago. Lost taste and smell and felt terrible for about 3 days. Her quarantine was over on Christmas and the rest of our family has to quarantine for 10 days after. We are a family of 6 and nobody else has had any symptoms to this point. I would think surely if I was going to get it I would have by now. I hope I'm asymptomatic. Ive been taking d3 zinc and 1000mg c since mid summer.
my daughters boyfriend had it in the fall. his taste and smell are still not fully back. a 19 yr old frat brother of his got it and parents pulled from school this year with onset of seizures and has ongoing health issues. friend of mines son was sick as hell for nearly two weeks, i havent got a follow up, but they were very worried. early 30’s.
most are not going to die, but it doesnt mean it wont have a steep cost for many.
most are not going to die, but it doesnt mean it wont have a steep cost for many.
I had it a month ago. Lost taste and smell. Slowly coming back. 18 year old son week after me. Same thing. 15 year old daughter week after. Congestion/cold like symptoms. Didn’t lose taste. Yes it’s a real virus. Nothing to panic about though.
No, the biggest reason is that the flu virus is transmitted generally once someone has symptoms and because everyone is more cautious especially if they are feeling any symptoms, the flu virus is finding it harder to transmit person to person...yes the other guidelines have helped and also have helped slow covid (it would be signiificanly worse). Covid is finding its way through society even with the guidelines which will never reduce the transmission to zero because people can transmit the virus without ever having the symptoms or before they have any symptoms.
Johns Hopkins released a similar study. Less than .7% of cases came from asymptomatic spread.
There was a good retrospective research study from Oxford University published MONTHs ago, that had evaluated reports of "symptomatic spread". It turned out that in their retrospective study there were virtually no cases of actual asymptomatic transmission. It was about the same time the WHO Dr said as much and was skewered for her comment. What was happening was that people with very mild symptoms such as lethargy or a runny nose were being called "asymptomatic" when in fact they had symptoms. The problem of course is determining whether somebody is suffering from allergies or in fact has a viral infection. I've heard lots of stories of people who have said, "I thought it was my allergies" transmitting COVID to co-workers and family members. Good heavens if I were to isolate every time I had a cough or runny nose,
Imagine, a virus so deadly you think it's allergies.
How many times have we all been previously I'll with something and not even known?
It's a strange one no doubt. I did talk to a 27 year old grain buyer this week who was horribly sick with it a few weeks ago. I had called him several weeks ago and he sounded terrible. He said he was off work for several weeks and is still weak. He's said he still can't smell or taste anything. It's funny because their whole office has had it and he got the sickest of all. The 62 year old operations manager was sick a couple of months ago with COVID but nothing like this kid was. His wife is a teacher so maybe he would have had a garden variety Corona virus earlier that gave him some protection. It took a couple of months for it to work its way through an office with about 7-8 people in it.