My father and myself did some R+D last night regarding steaks. He went to whole foods and bought 1 grass fed ribeye, 1 bison ribeye, and I already had buckhead beef's line of ribeyes at the house. All were only seasoned with fresh cracked salt and pepper and olive oil. All 3 were good looking, well marbled steaks. After grilling all 3 to med rare-medium we did a side by side. We knew the buckhead would be good. The bison was very good and kind of surprised us. The grass fed ribeye was far and away the worst. Absolutely no flavor. I'm sure there is health benefits to grass fed organic steaks but when they come to flavor they suck. Not worth the money or hype in my humble opinion.
OT: Grass Fed Beef
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Whole food bison is about all I grill any more. It is awesome and good for you. If I cheat, it is a tri tip or cowboy ribeye.
I agree, grass fed tastes pretty awful. And there's no health benefit to organic food. You might as well take money out of your wallet and set it on fire.
Actually it's not. And organic farming is not a sustainable practice. It takes more land and resources to produce the crops needed to feed people, requires more tillage that causes more erosion issues and has a higher carbon footprint than conventional agriculture. The organic pesticides sprayed are much more toxic than conventional synthetics and aren't as effective so they have to sprayed more frequently.
Same basic concepts as what are going on in my industry. Thinking that lowering the levels of the bad stuff in something is all takes to make it good. However, what is left is such a concentrated amount of the bad stuff that it is 10x more toxic if you come into contact with it.
Not delving into the food argument. Just the point you made about the pesticides and all makes perfect sense to me in my line.
Not delving into the food argument. Just the point you made about the pesticides and all makes perfect sense to me in my line.
Is that what Monsanto told you? The key is to not use any pesticides but I know that's not going to happen in my lifetime. At some point, we have to start acknowledging that the stuff we put on these plants also leaks into the soil and changes its structure, not to mention the water system. Organics might not add any more nutritional benefit than conventional, but they sure as hell could keep the bad junk out of your body.
The truth is no one really knows what pesticides are doing to the human body because we are just at the point in our society where we can start to measure the effects. We've seen a spike in all types of neurological and health disorders -- auto-immune disorders, ADHD, autism, type 1 diabetes -- in the past 50 years. Our diets are killing us plain and simple.
I would think that is due more to refined products, mainly sugars.
Do you realize that the guy you are attempting to argue with is a farmer? Like a real one?
Do you realize that the guy you are attempting to argue with is a farmer? Like a real one?
Your
point on Monsanto may or may not be correct in regards to the toxicity (I haven't seen the data), but in relation to DCD's first point, they have nothing to do with it.
point on Monsanto may or may not be correct in regards to the toxicity (I haven't seen the data), but in relation to DCD's first point, they have nothing to do with it.
If you've been eating grain-finished beef your whole life
then you will definitely be able to tell a difference in taste between that and the grass-fed.
If you're really that concerned about your health and all the other stuff... then maybe go easy on the red meat in general (OH HERE WE GO)
then you will definitely be able to tell a difference in taste between that and the grass-fed.
If you're really that concerned about your health and all the other stuff... then maybe go easy on the red meat in general (OH HERE WE GO)
Organic labels have as much (if not more) to do with marketing food as "premium" as anything else. It does cost more to grow "organic" crops, but for the most part, it's there to intice buyers to spend more money on a perceived "premium grade" product.
Source: good friends with someone in the grocery distribution business
Source: good friends with someone in the grocery distribution business
No kidding. "Our diets are killing us plain and simple" tops the list of inane stuff I have read on message boards.
Well that didn't take long to be called a Monsanto shill.
You have no idea how GMO's or genetics works. We use LESS pesticides now than we have in the past because of these technologies AND they are less toxic.
Did you even read what I said? Organic farms use pesticides that are far more harmful than synthetics. Nicotine sulfate, which is extremely toxic to warm-blooded animals, and rotenone, which is moderately toxic to most mammals but so toxic to fish that it's widely used for the mass poisoning of unwanted fish populations during restocking projects are pretty common in organic farming. Copper sulfate is another pesticide used that's pretty toxic.
And since you brought up Monsanto, roundup (glyphosate) is less lethal than table salt and chocolate.
https://doccamiryan.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/toxicity-table4.png
And please please, please do not link autism to pesticides. That study has been trashed by every major scientific group and the only way it was published was through a journal that will publish anything as long as you pay.
You have no idea how GMO's or genetics works. We use LESS pesticides now than we have in the past because of these technologies AND they are less toxic.
Did you even read what I said? Organic farms use pesticides that are far more harmful than synthetics. Nicotine sulfate, which is extremely toxic to warm-blooded animals, and rotenone, which is moderately toxic to most mammals but so toxic to fish that it's widely used for the mass poisoning of unwanted fish populations during restocking projects are pretty common in organic farming. Copper sulfate is another pesticide used that's pretty toxic.
And since you brought up Monsanto, roundup (glyphosate) is less lethal than table salt and chocolate.
https://doccamiryan.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/toxicity-table4.png
And please please, please do not link autism to pesticides. That study has been trashed by every major scientific group and the only way it was published was through a journal that will publish anything as long as you pay.
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I'm with Desoto on this one. But my BS in Food Science and MS in Food Safety along with daily work with organic and conventional foods hardly qualifies me to speak on the subject.
Oh and grass fed beef is definitely inferior...
Oh and grass fed beef is definitely inferior...
Not really my expertise but I think organic milk and regular milk are virtually the same. Organic dairies don't give their cows antibiotics but that's not really a big deal because conventional dairies isolate their cows on antibiotics and their milk is dumped and put in the supply with the healthy cows. You could ask @gilmerdairy on twitter. Will can tell you more than I can.
This thread is highly entertaining.
Almost as much fun as celebrating the 5th of July with Coca-Cola!*
Almost as much fun as celebrating the 5th of July with Coca-Cola!*
That USDA grain fed choice sticker is much more than just package decoration, it's a sense of pride and quality.
Organic will feed your family just like a "garden" has for centuries, but when you depend on food that that 1% of the population produces to feed your ***; then all of a sudden traditional/GMO cropping situations ain't that terrible after all.
Organic will feed your family just like a "garden" has for centuries, but when you depend on food that that 1% of the population produces to feed your ***; then all of a sudden traditional/GMO cropping situations ain't that terrible after all.
My opinion with organics is they are more or less the same stuff. Sometimes it's better sometimes it's not. We've also been using genetics in farming since the Egyptians; I have no problem with buying or eating genetically modified food.
Where I do draw the line is with food coloring. I see no reason why we have red 40 and yellow 5 in everything. Like pills for example, wtf do those need dyes for. I also believe there are a good amount of people who exude some sort of allergy to these dyes(mainly kids) which can cause behavioral issues. I've seen it first hand in some children, while others are fine.
Where I do draw the line is with food coloring. I see no reason why we have red 40 and yellow 5 in everything. Like pills for example, wtf do those need dyes for. I also believe there are a good amount of people who exude some sort of allergy to these dyes(mainly kids) which can cause behavioral issues. I've seen it first hand in some children, while others are fine.
All points made are truly excellent......
This is one of two subjects that really grind my gears. The other one is the anti-vaccine crowd but I digress....
For both groups, they apparently want to take the developed world back to the turn of the century and beyond. Specifically, the 'organic food' crowd wants to throw away 100+ years of advances in agricultural science from we are now feeding more people on less land and resources with the safest and most abundant food supply in the history of mankind to a system that is frankly unsustainable. All for the perceived notion that we are being harmed by toxins in our food supply. I say perceived because they have ZERO empirical data to support their accusations.
They want to play the 'big pharma' game or in this case the 'big agriculture' game painting large companies as the Boogie Man who is just out to kill people for a profit when they totally ignore the profit made by organic food companies that have significant margins.
This is one of two subjects that really grind my gears. The other one is the anti-vaccine crowd but I digress....
For both groups, they apparently want to take the developed world back to the turn of the century and beyond. Specifically, the 'organic food' crowd wants to throw away 100+ years of advances in agricultural science from we are now feeding more people on less land and resources with the safest and most abundant food supply in the history of mankind to a system that is frankly unsustainable. All for the perceived notion that we are being harmed by toxins in our food supply. I say perceived because they have ZERO empirical data to support their accusations.
They want to play the 'big pharma' game or in this case the 'big agriculture' game painting large companies as the Boogie Man who is just out to kill people for a profit when they totally ignore the profit made by organic food companies that have significant margins.
Not all grass fed is organic and not all organic is grass fed. The fat profile of grass fed beef is different from grain fed beef. That's why it tastes different and cooks differently. I've had some good grass-fed beef and some downright awful grass-fed beef. I've actually found it on sale and cheaper than grain fed beef in the past and cost doesn't seem to have anything to do with quality on grass fed. Another point is that grass fed has no official regulatory definition. All beef cattle are grass fed until they are finished on a feed lot (or finished on grass). You could buy grass fed that is partially corn fed beef.
The main benefit of eating organic is that it makes you focus on preparing food yourself. You can get conventionally grown produce and do the same thing.
The main benefit of eating organic is that it makes you focus on preparing food yourself. You can get conventionally grown produce and do the same thing.
so.... does a fight over beef make this a slow sports day... or us way too passionate about beef (and labeling)?
hehe.
hehe.
DesotoCountyDawg is right that the crop protection products being applied today are safer and more friendly for the environment than ever. The time it takes to get a new crop protection product approved has gone from 30-60 days to now over 3 years due to the amount of research and testing. I encourage you to actually read from all sources of info if this is something you care about. Reading only from the whole foods perspective is not going to give you the real story. People have and will manipulate the story to get you to buy from them.
I've always said it like this. If you were eating humans; would you rather eat the in-shape athlete who works out and visits GNC, or the skinny jeans wearing hacky sack playing dope smoking hipster dude who's all organic????