OT: GameStop

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Dawgology

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Stocks traditionally provide value to an investor based on some combination of future growth potential and present earnings / revenues. It certainly isn’t all about EPS (if the price isn’t right), and a dividend doesn’t mean much either if the future outlook isn’t so good. In your example, Tesla is way more of the former than the latter. Exxon is the opposite. Berkshire is a hood mix of both. Gamestop is comically terrible in both respects, which is what makes this whole thing so egregious.

Seems a lot like the pump and dump that you see in alt coins.
 

paindonthurt_

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Um if you put your “hard work” for retirement into game stop you get what you get.

The price will always eventually try to get back to the value of the company. Game stop right now is the exception to the rule.

Again if you are putting your retirement into game stop and it fails, look in the mirror. Then blame the person you see.
 

paindonthurt_

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What abt the ethics of people losing their life savings Bc they are morons?
Both are greedy.
One is way dumber than the other.
 

mstateglfr

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Um if you put your “hard work” for retirement into game stop you get what you get.

The price will always eventually try to get back to the value of the company. Game stop right now is the exception to the rule.

Again if you are putting your retirement into game stop and it fails, look in the mirror. Then blame the person you see.

But my comments aren't limited only to gamestop and this single event.
Also, your rambling about people getting what they deserve is an ever existing easy out that totally ignores all those not in the sword fight yet being affected.
 

ronpolk

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Um if you put your “hard work” for retirement into game stop you get what you get.

The price will always eventually try to get back to the value of the company. Game stop right now is the exception to the rule.

Again if you are putting your retirement into game stop and it fails, look in the mirror. Then blame the person you see.

I highly doubt the people who bought in game stop to cause the short squeeze believe game stop is actually valued at their current stock price. Those guys don’t plan to hold this long term.
 

Mobile Bay

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No, I was actually referring to folks with FOMO who know jack **** about investing who will log onto WSB after reading all the news headlines and decide to dump tens of thousands of dollars into this run-up...only to be left holding their dicks when 95% of it completely disappears after greed takes over for the reddit folks and they start selling in concert with the hedge funds unwinding their positions.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 

Maroon Eagle

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Who knew IMPP worked for the NYSE?

Due to volatility, trading on $GME has halted at exactly,,, $269.69— Jason Kirk (@thejasonkirk) January 27, 2021
 

Drebin

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Long story short:

Shorts take out huge positions against GameStop for the last several years. This, along with their business suffering plus covid, drives the price down.

Retail traders like GME and start buying stock & LEAPS starting in 2019 and into 2020.

In December 2020, Ryan Cohen, founder of Chewy, purchases a 12% stake in GameStop. Shares rally on this news.

In early January, Cohen and two of his buddies from Chewy take seats on the board of directors. Shares rally on this news.

In the meantime, shorts increased their positions. It got to be 130% of the shares in the company were shorted. How does that happen? They borrow shares, sell them, borrow those shares, sell them... At some point, though, short sellers have to unwind their positions. They can only do that by purchasing shares on the open market. If there are lots of shares available to purchase, it's not a big deal. However, retail investors are buying every share they can get ahold of and the shorts have to pay a premium to get their shares back. In the meantime, the bankers for the shorts are forcing margin calls. The shorts can borrow more money to pay for their margin, but the interest on this is incredibly high.

It might be okay if the shorts only had the retail investors to deal with. They also have those who sell call options to deal with. If you sell a naked call, you have to start purchasing shares once the share price is above the strike price of the option you sold. The number of shares is proportional to the delta (how much the price of the option changes per dollar change of share price) of the option. So they purchase the shares. This in turn causes a gamma squeeze. Gamma is the change in delta for each dollar in price the share changes (the derivative of delta for those of you who took and remember Calculus I). Gamma squeeze forces the price even higher.

Blood is in the water. The largest shorting firm got an infusion of cash yesterday, but this does not mean the shorts will win or keep getting ammo. Quite the opposite. Hedge funds are getting in on this, sensing a chance to make some quick money and take out competitors.

I guess that wasn't short.

Pretty good description.

It's basically an episode of Billions. A hedge fun shorts a bunch of gamestop stock thinking it's going belly up. A bunch of nerds on the internet see this and start buying up gamestop stock, driving up the price. Now the loans have to be paid back but the stock price is too high, squeezing the hedge fund.

Gamestop is just a rope in this tug of war. But it's interesting to watch.
 
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I'm not involved with this at all, but I fully support it.

The Fed expanding its balance sheet by $6.5 trillion with money created out of thin air to inflate asset prices - central banking
A group of people on Reddit using money they earned to pump a stock - market manipulation!

And no one should feel sorry for Melvin Capital. Sell something you don't own, get wrecked.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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The PN is a hard one... You can end up in a sticky situation if you are on the wrong side.
 

Xenomorph

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Watching the comment section on r/wallstreetbets is captivating.

I have no idea if this is ultimately good or bad for the markets but it's entertaining.
 

Msubulldogfan1

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That’s the same pattern you predicted for Tesla when it was at $350

At least Tesla has substance. Elon is doing huge things and is THE man on the frontier of technology.

GameStop really has no significant upside as a business and this meteoric rise isn’t indicative of GMEs value imo. It’s gonna come back down to earth.
 

jethreauxdawg

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The game stop CEO is George Sherman, so we should’ve known they’d end up looking good.
 

jethreauxdawg

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The PN is a hard one... You can end up in a sticky situation if you are on the wrong side.
Well stroked. I agree with you on this, I was just busting your balls. I see no way for the GME price to stay up there unless this flood of new money never sells their shares, and that ain’t gonna happen.
 

ronpolk

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At least Tesla has substance. Elon is doing huge things and is THE man on the frontier of technology.

GameStop really has no significant upside as a business and this meteoric rise isn’t indicative of GMEs value imo. It’s gonna come back down to earth.

Yes, but everyone knows that. You guys that keep harping on the stock will come back down to earth aren’t breaking new ground. Everyone knows that. It’s going to an absolute hard crash when it comes
 

Go Budaw

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Yes, but everyone knows that. You guys that keep harping on the stock will come back down to earth aren’t breaking new ground. Everyone knows that. It’s going to an absolute hard crash when it comes

As long as everyone who gets into it knows WHY they are getting into it, no harm no foul. You are taking some stake in an absolutely terrible company because you are speculating that the price will continue to rise. All the stuff about “hedge fund price target of $20 per share wasn’t FMV” and “they may turn a profit with new console cycle” is a bunch of damn nonsense being spewed by puppets who have an active interest in the continued rising of the stock. Regardless of any of the hedge fund’s motivations for listing the $20 price target, it WAS pretty close to the true value of the stock. The price its at now is so far out of whack from its true value that the stock itself has pretty much become an option bet as opposed to an actual equity purchase.
 
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johnson86-1

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As long as everyone who gets into it knows WHY they are getting into it, no harm no foul. You are taking some stake in an absolutely terrible company because you are speculating that the price will continue to rise. All the stuff about “hedge fund price target of $20 per share wasn’t FMV” and “they may turn a profit with new console cycle” is a bunch of damn nonsense being spewed by puppets who have an active interest in the continued rising of the stock. Regardless of any of the hedge fund’s motivations for listing the $20 price target, it WAS pretty close to the true value of the stock.

Technically accurate, but I think it's truer to say that people are making a bet on the collective action of holders of GME stock. There are more short positions than there are stocks available for sale to cover the shorts. If one person held all the stock available, then they could in theory confidently hold out until the holder of the shorts are bankrupt (although the SEC has oddly taken the position before that this is manipulation rather than just a risk of doing naked shorts; https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2012/comp-pr2012-122-2.pdf). With the holders of stock so dispersed, somebody is going to cash in, it's just a matter of correctly guessing how long the crowd will hold out to maximize your take when you cash out while limiting your risk that you get left holding the bag. And as someone else mentioned, if GME does a new stock issuance, then all the sudden there is no squeeze. Not sure what the law would say about doing a stock issuance at less than the market price. Would still be an obviously good deal for the company as a going concern in the long run. They'd get lots of cash that nobody would otherwise give them. But it would cause a crash of the price, which is obviously not what stockholders want.
 

Msubulldogfan1

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Yes, but everyone knows that. You guys that keep harping on the stock will come back down to earth aren’t breaking new ground. Everyone knows that. It’s going to an absolute hard crash when it comes
Wasn’t exactly stating I was giving transcendent knowledge, just giving my opinion on the PN chart.
 

johnson86-1

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My nearly 300% return would argue with your smoke and mirrors comment. Just because you don’t understand does not make it fake. Absolutely there are going to be people that lose money on the other side of this. But those are guys that chose to invest money with a fund that actively shorted stocks, which means they make money when companies fail or do poorly. So, don’t feel so sorry for those losses.

Fact is Melvin Capital made an odd bet to short a stock that frankly was already in the tank. And their arrogance and ego kept them from just cutting their losses several days ago.

No, your 300% return doesn't have to do whether they are collectively making money (or I assume really he means creating value).

Lots of trades are not creating value, except to the extent they are helping allocate capital, which I think is probably true they do collectively although it's obviously pretty indirect. Things like collaborating on a message board to attack naked shorts or figuring out gimmicks to trigger technical defaults in the CDO markets don't create value in the same way. The best argument you can make for them is (1) they make it risky/painful to do things like naked shorts (which arguably are net negatives; not sure the same argument can be made for CDOs); and (2) they are a form of entertainment just like broadway musicals.

I view it as sort of like people going to a casino to play poker. Not creating value, but people are choosing to play so doesn't really involve me unless they are managing to manipulate the price of stocks that show up in index funds. If some people sit down without understanding the game and lose a lot of money, that's not good, but not necessarily something to concern anybody else.
 

jethreauxdawg

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AMC has 339 million shares outstanding, and 837 million shares have traded today. In comparison Ford has 43 Billion shares, 48 million have traded today. Crazy.
AMC today is the Mike Leach offense once we have his players.
 
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