I didn't know that and haven't seen one. Labs in any color are great dogs - I had a brother and sister yellow lab team.
OT: Dog Rescue
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Shortly after I had divorced, I was dating a young lady(huge football fan) that had a yellow lab that she had named Emmitt - shortly after we were dating, we went and got a chocolate Lab and she named it (Elway) - always very funny as when we would go somewhere and were asked names- Emmitt and Elway
They never guess correctly which one was which lol
Maybe you just need to move on from 1973?
Full-time job ...what are you talking about? If it's that much trouble, don't get a dog. Walking or playing with a dog is great exercise, which most people could use, and generally just all-around enjoyable. If it's not, no one's forcing you to own a dog.
In your freeroaming example, dogs will 100 percent be shitting all other private and public property. Why should anyone, particularly all those who don't own a dog or don't let it roam, be responsible for cleaning up your dog sht? And if you're suggesting it stays on your property ...it shouldn't even be an issue. Who's bothering you about that? Unless you've created a health violation with the massive pile of excrement you refuse to clean.
TLR - If you're going to continue to troll our board just to fabricate arguments in places they don't exist, could you start sucking a little less at it? I've never numbed brain cells with more asinine drivel.
got it. i'm dealing with "stay off my lawn" guys.
but you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
before dogs were all jailed, (and their owners chained to them), they stayed off your lawn anyway for the most part.
with dogs no longer roaming free, the neighbor's dog getting in or pooping on your yd rarely, (which didn't hurt you in the least), has been replaced with deer, rabbits, raccoons, pooping in your yd more than the neighbor's dog ever did.
urban deer, and far more other urban wildlife, is a direct result of leash laws.
in urban neighborhoods that hadn't seen a deer in a hundred yrs, they became commonplace. (i do like the urban deer because i'm not "get off my lawn" guy, but hate leash laws far more, as it's made things far worse for both dog and owner. (other than large or aggressive breed dog owner, for whom things are exactly the same as they ever were).
people having to fence their yd or walk their dog and pick up poop everyday, is an abomination on society.
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lot's of people do have tiny dogs, but don't kid yourself, leash laws have led to far more people getting larger dogs and more aggressive breeds.
in fact, other than the lab lovers, (labs are wonderful), almost everyone who has responded in this thread has a large dog or aggressive breed or both.
you saw very few large dogs and basically no Pits pre leash laws, primarily because 90 plus percent of people didn't want to have to walk their dog multiple times 365 days a yr every time it had to go. (let alone pick up and bag poop, which no man or woman should ever have to do)
the much higher numbers of bigger dogs and more aggressive breeds absolutely is a function of leash laws, where the very real very great advantages of having a medium or small dog has been eliminated.
the emergence of urban deer and other wildlife in neighborhoods, who poop in people's yds more than the neighbor's dog ever did, is another.
as is the explosion in the number of homeowners who have fenced in their back yard.
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Anything else you want to blame on leash laws? The pandemic? War in Ukraine? Florida?
The part about how they simultaneously caused the rapid increase in large dogs and urban wildlife is particularly rich. I guess all the poodles and chihuahuas were previously hunting deer, rabbits and foxes.
The part about how they simultaneously caused the rapid increase in large dogs and urban wildlife is particularly rich. I guess all the poodles and chihuahuas were previously hunting deer, rabbits and foxes.
Where is this utopia you speak of where the dogs roamed free and the citizens loved it?
got it. i'm dealing with "stay off my lawn" guys.
but you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
before dogs were all jailed, (and their owners chained to them), they stayed off your lawn anyway for the most part.
with dogs no longer roaming free, the neighbor's dog getting in or pooping on your yd rarely, (which didn't hurt you in the least), has been replaced with deer, rabbits, raccoons, pooping in your yd more than the neighbor's dog ever did.
urban deer, and far more other urban wildlife, is a direct result of leash laws.
in urban neighborhoods that hadn't seen a deer in a hundred yrs, they became commonplace. (i do like the urban deer because i'm not "get off my lawn" guy, but hate leash laws far more, as it's made things far worse for both dog and owner. (other than large or aggressive breed dog owner, for whom things are exactly the same as they ever were).
people having to fence their yd or walk their dog and pick up poop everyday, is an abomination on society.
pre the current leash law insanity existed all over the US, other than densely populated urban areas, for hundreds of yrs pre leash laws.
was much more enjoyable and much free-er, for both owner and dog.
if you never got to experience it and have a medium or small non aggressive breed dog, i'm sorry that era was never available to you.
I have lost any reason in this thread- to the Op- take the good information and make a very informed decision and I hope you become one of us that see your dog as your child.
Ignore the rest. As I have now decided to do! Blessed
Ignore the rest. As I have now decided to do! Blessed
do you fence in your child their whole life?
or chain them to you and walk them 365 days a yr every time they have to go, then pick up and bag their poop every time?
i'm guessing not.
i'm the one who embraces treating their dog well, rather than dooming them to a life imprisoned or chained.
and not chaining and enslaving the owner.
the option to fence or chain their dog, and walk them bagging their poop, was always available.
only the option for dogs to have a life outside the dog park, and for owners not to be enslaved by the dog's bathroom requirements 365, has been taken away by this leash idiocracy.
i've known both worlds.
the pre leash law insanity world was 100 times better, for both owner and dog.
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Let the dog in your care roam free why concern yourself about them and try your best to keep your dog safe.. They are probably as smart as you are about dog safety and that's why 1.2 million dogs are killed on the roads each year in the United States
Another thing that pisses those who feel dogs should be free range is the fools who don't want dogs riding in truck pickup beds to roam freely without restraint when your driving somewhere with them.
It does seems very logical to let your dog ride in the truck bed. This way, they can get some fresh air and have plenty of room to move around.
Just because there's an estimated 100,000 dogs die every year as a result of riding unsecured in a truck bed.doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
Another thing that pisses those who feel dogs should be free range is the fools who don't want dogs riding in truck pickup beds to roam freely without restraint when your driving somewhere with them.
It does seems very logical to let your dog ride in the truck bed. This way, they can get some fresh air and have plenty of room to move around.
Just because there's an estimated 100,000 dogs die every year as a result of riding unsecured in a truck bed.doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
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I grew up with dogs. Neighbors had dogs. Loved my dogs liked my neighbors dogs. Not so sure we loved our neighbors dogs or our neighbors loved our dogs enough to let them run free throughout the neighborhood.
And you keep bringing up small and medium breed dogs being less agressive. I know the only dogs that have nipped or been anxious towards me and others have been small dogs. And the only dog I ever remember biting people in my neighborhood growing up were little dogs. This memory you have of free range dogs is actually quite disturbing as a dog owner property owner and parent. Quite bizarre actually.
The guy is off his meds or something- asking me if I stopped my children from pooping in someone’s yard…
i never said medium sized dogs couldn't be aggressive. (Pits and other aggressive breeds can be medium sized).
i spoke of when small and medium NON AGGRESSIVE BREEDS, were exempt, that is wasn't an issue anywhere.
and that in town for the most part people didn't get large or aggressive breeds then, because they weren't exempt, thus had to walked or fenced, which most people didn't want to deal with.
but let's be clear about something here, that you and others seem confused about.
i'm not talking about some hypothetical place in some hypothetical time.
i'm talking about 99% of towns, other than "Manhattan" type densely populated urban areas, for the history of this country up till 30 plus yrs ago or so, when leash laws got unleashed on all dogs, not just the large or aggressive breeds.
i lived the first 40 yrs of my life when small-medium non aggressive breeds could run.
there weren't the imaginary issues people hypothesize here, and the downsides were 1/1000th the downsides of the now leash for all pick up and bag poop insanity, every time your dog has to go.
and i'm not talking one certain Pleasantville example exception.
i spent time in many towns, and many a day on hundreds/thousands of streets, passing tens of thousands of homes with dogs. (besides lots of visiting relatives when young, for several yrs in the 60s/70s in college, i did a door to door gig, which makes one an expert on the subject).
it just never was a problem. anywhere.
the homes one didn't go to because of a dog, where the fenced in ones. or where a dog was tied up on a porch.
that's where dogs were an issue.
and we had a multiple dogs growing up.
our neighbors had dogs.
my relatives in different towns had dogs.
their neighbors had dogs.
wasn't a problem anywhere, because all unleashed/fenced dogs were small/medium non aggressive breeds, who had grown up since pups around people, so were used to people.
and while i can't tell you why, said dogs didn't stray far from home.
most stayed in their yd even though not tethered, and rarely went past the next door neighbor's yd.
even during my door to door days in the 60s-70s in college, i'd almost never have a dog follow me once i left their yd, and virtually never go past the yd next to them. (and they didn't harass me, just keep me company).
and no one had poop in their yd any more than today, now that wildlife now has inhabited said streets.
like i said, i lived this unleashed universe for 40 ys, and saw it in every town i ever visited during that time.
it just wasn't an issue 1/1,000 of what walking your dog every time it has to go, and dealing with your dogs poop insanity now is..
Anyone with your thoughts is maybe the dumbest, most selfish and ignorant person alive. Who thinks they know more about something than anyone else and everyone else cant stand them.
Growing up in the 60-80's- we had medium to large dogs. and there were no fences, no one walking their dogs either.
You get a dog, play with dog and they either follow you or try to follow you- and they knew when dinner was ready.
We also had friends that had the "aggressive" so to speak dogs- and almost all of them stayed outside in a kennel or on a leash.
Back then- I used to wonder why anyone did that.
Our day was to feed our dogs in the morning- theyeither followed or ran off on their own until they saw us or it was next meal time- neighbors would throw food out to them to enjoy or give them a good garden hose drink
WOW- sounds sort of like our own childhood- doesn't it
The world has changed.
BTW- our dogs actually knew to poop in our own lawn and Dad has us go out every day and pick it up. Neighbors were all best friends and if your dog acted up or was continuing to poop on their lawn- they let you know.
It really was not as free range as you make it seem.
Can you do this today? Are you a F-ing idiot? I used to ride 50mph to the ice cream store with 10 others in the back of a pickup of a man who had no children but wanted to coach 10 y/o's playing baseball.
Growing up in the 60-80's- we had medium to large dogs. and there were no fences, no one walking their dogs either.
You get a dog, play with dog and they either follow you or try to follow you- and they knew when dinner was ready.
We also had friends that had the "aggressive" so to speak dogs- and almost all of them stayed outside in a kennel or on a leash.
Back then- I used to wonder why anyone did that.
Our day was to feed our dogs in the morning- theyeither followed or ran off on their own until they saw us or it was next meal time- neighbors would throw food out to them to enjoy or give them a good garden hose drink
WOW- sounds sort of like our own childhood- doesn't it
The world has changed.
BTW- our dogs actually knew to poop in our own lawn and Dad has us go out every day and pick it up. Neighbors were all best friends and if your dog acted up or was continuing to poop on their lawn- they let you know.
It really was not as free range as you make it seem.
Can you do this today? Are you a F-ing idiot? I used to ride 50mph to the ice cream store with 10 others in the back of a pickup of a man who had no children but wanted to coach 10 y/o's playing baseball.
Stop. After seeing your posts I asked my parents and in laws (all ranging in age 77-87) and my brothers and sisters that range in age from 52-66 if your utopia existed in their lifespan and they all emphatically said no. My mother in law grew up in rural New Hampshire father in law Brooklyn. Parents grew up in Metuchen and New Brunswick. My siblings and I grew up in Middlesex and Monmouth counties and none of us have this selfish remembrance of free range dogs. It doesn’t matter if it is large or small dog breeds. It is not my responsibility to worry about if your dog will respect my space,property or be aggressive towards me or my family or can pick up after itself. If you think your warped version of history is better so be it. But as you can see by the responses that have been generated on this thread you are in the absolute minority.
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This forum needs the ability to let the OP block clowns like this from posting.
It’s funny- my wife and I lost our German Shepherd in June. Almost 16 y/o. And my wife was afraid of even small dogs before we got the GS and now she wants another.
We also have a boxer who is mid sized and as anyone knows, are one of the friendliest, playful dogs out there. And to answer this idiots’s posts in this thread, I would never want or allow either dog to just run free around the neighborhood, other people yards, etc..not only because of respect for other people but the chance something happened to our dog. His posts were just weird.
Even now, as we search for our new German Shepherd to join our family, any good breeder we talk to, want to interview us as parents. And I respect that.
of course you did.
if you, your relatives and in laws, had small or medium sized dogs that were allowed to go on their own, i guarantee you you, your relatives and in laws, weren't walking them on a leash every time they had to go, and picking up and bagging their poop at the time.
no one was who didn't have to, and there were no big issues.
if you or they didn't live where small and medium non aggressive breeds could go out on their own, then you and they are totally unqualified to comment.
nice story though.
like i said, i lived it for 40 yrs, in many towns and cities, on a thousand streets, as did everyone i knew, so not buying BS from those who didn't..
the world hasn't changed that much, and small and medium non aggressive breeds haven't changed either.
no idea why you assume it wouldn't work now as it did then, why you would have a near mental breakdown at the suggestion it would, and so vehemently attack someone who also lived it, many places, for decades, on hundreds/a thousand streets, thus knows exactly what he is talking about.
and sorry, but the idea that not every dog or breed needs to walked every time it has to go, and have it's poop picked up and bagged every time, just isn't that radical a thought.
the opposite, leash laws and poop bagging for all, when not necessary, is the radical/crazy thinking.
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When I was a kid- my dogs also ran free around the neighborhood- and as kids, we road in the back of pickups...
So, beyond the safety of your own dogs, now that the world HAS changed, I am almost willing to bet that your small/medium dogs are the only ones in you current neighborhood 2022 that are running free and crapping on everyone elses lawn.
Just wanted to comment that ten hours (6 p.m. to 4 a.m.) is a very long time to leave a dog alone. I really hope you can find someone who can come midway through that time to spend some time with the dog (not just a quick walk).
A lot of the advice here is excellent -- in particular, to get an adult dog who has already had a lot of training.
Best of luck!
We absolutely discussed this( family party). They couldn’t believe the absurdity.
And no we didn’t walk the dogs every time they had to go out. We let them out in our backyard and brought them in when they were done. And we cleaned up after our”own dogs”. We didn’t let them out to roam the neighborhood. Our dogs did get out from time and wandered but they were quickly returned to our property and house.
There were selfish people in our neighborhood that did as you claim let their dogs out unsupervised to make a mess of other peoples property. They and their dogs were problem neighbors. I can see from this thread that more than likely what you thought of as a utopia was a nightmare for your neighbors.
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First and foremost- between all of our discussions that have nothing to do with his OP- that he got enough good information to make a choice. Bottom line- it can become very difficult as a single person who has a M-F 8-9 hour job away from home. You and your dog will also be on odd hours. Which could still work but do you keep that same schedule on weekends and what if you do need to go somewhere over night or vacation. Keep this in your thoughts and almost every dog owner will agree. A dog is similar to a 5 y/o kid at all times. Are you ready for that...
Now, back to discussion the crazy dog owner on the thread. lol
His continued use of small/medium "non-aggressive" tells me that if his little Bitzy or Smooch smooch is running around the neighborhood crappy on peoples lawns and yapping at other peoples dogs on their own property- (And yes, we all know, darn little guys always seem to be the loudest lol) - he would be the first one to sue and call the police on your large Aggressive dog...
Take a look at the dogs we have for adoption at CODAR.
In our case- we are specifically looking for a German Shepherd, American Line. We are going to go through a certified breeder that can provide lineage, genetics, etc as the American Line is known for many health issues both with hips and neurology. And in order to get inexpensive insurance rates, we will need a puppy and extensive records of lineage and physical from our Vet.
My wife also really only wants this breed so adoption just wouldn't work for us.
Someone I've known for a long time has had a number of German Shepherds. He has told me, "There is no better breed when properly raised and trained." Good luck!
Very true- our Zeus(who we recently lost at almost 16) was highly trained in Holland as a puppy. He was being trained to serve in the Army- so he went through "protection" service, agility, strength, behavior. He received additional training that he could also be certified if need, to be a companion/service dog.
He failed qualifying for Army service because they expect their Dogs to "stay" for at least 6 hours without distraction. Our "Zeus" would last about 3 hours before he would start to get distracted.
Our eldest was playing ball at the time and was introduced to his trainer from another player. Brought him over from Holland at 5 y/o and took him on. Son and Zeus both had to attend 3 months of training.
The great thing about his extensive training is that he was 100% command trained. In his mind, there was not a thought of aggression unless a very specific command was given by only one person he was trained to take that command from.
So, while he was big(115lbs) powerful- trainer said he was continually the strongest of his dogs, he was also just a big loving baby that loved to kiss, smile and try to sit in your lap or climb up on the coach to snuggle. Everyone that ever met him loved him. And wonderful with children but we had to always keep in mind that with his size, coming up to a child could either scare the child until they get used to his size or when he would come up to give them a kiss- his wagging tail could actually give a wallop. lol
Funniest thing ever- when my wife designed our house- it was not with dogs in mind- much less a big dog. The hardwood floors were actually quite soft and as OCD as my wife is...people not allowed shoes in house- after the first time Zeus's big ole paws scratched the floors, she made him wear sock or botties in the house. After the fist couple of weeks- he figured out that when he came into the laudry room from the back yard- we would put the socks on- so, he would come in and start lifting his paws up on his own so we could get them on him with not problem. And a few times someone else would let him in and not put them on- he wouldnt leave the laundry room until they did. lol
What a whacky thread.
I have a dog and it sure seems like a lot of people we pass when we walk him are leery of dogs. And I am always respectful of that, because they could have good reasons.
In the good old days when dogs roamed free, some were nice and some were nasty. Having some random dog run and chase you aggressively was always great fun in the idyllic good old days.
Of course, randomly stepping in dog sh$t was an awesome side benefit of the free range dogs.
I have a dog and it sure seems like a lot of people we pass when we walk him are leery of dogs. And I am always respectful of that, because they could have good reasons.
In the good old days when dogs roamed free, some were nice and some were nasty. Having some random dog run and chase you aggressively was always great fun in the idyllic good old days.
Of course, randomly stepping in dog sh$t was an awesome side benefit of the free range dogs.
That dog sounds way better than the chow chow you would have definitely gotten before leash laws.
Looks like some good things have come from them after all
I might have missed it , but did you get a dog, where and if mutt or breed?
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actually just met with a dog this afternoon. A shepherd mix. Rescue in Summit.
Im going away for a wedding in two weeks so will likely make being one home after that. Keep ya posted, and thanks for asking
My wife and I have found a great breeder for our next German Shepherd puppy. Sorry it isn't a rescue but my wife wanted a puppy that would be very similar to the GS we lost in June. We also really want our dog to be healthy (as German Shepherds can be so pre-disposed for so many ailments) - our first one lived until almost 16.
The breeder we found that came very highly recommended is known for their health and temperament of their dogs. His liter was born on Oct 4th so he should be ready to come home in the 1st/2nd week of December. Very excited!!!
The breeder we found that came very highly recommended is known for their health and temperament of their dogs. His liter was born on Oct 4th so he should be ready to come home in the 1st/2nd week of December. Very excited!!!
I know of two German Shepherds that you can rescue. this one is a pure breed female 8 months old . You need Facebook to view her . He r description is below
Rehoming of a young female German Shepherd.
She is 7/8 months old and very sweet girl.
She is GREAT with cats and dogs, likes kids but she also doesn't realize her size and could easily accidentally knock over a kiddo out of pure happiness.
She is nervous of adults, shy and timid at first but once she warms up she is love and kisses. Though she does seem to warm up to men faster than women.
Highly food motivated and very eager to learn!
Very playful and was fine for TNT and a bath.
A place with another friendly dog would be great but not required.
Needs some TLC and someone with patience.
She has no aggression and no reactivity, there isn't a mean bone in her body.
what is the typical adoption fee for a dog?? Granted this place has all their dogs spayed or neutered, microchipped, all shots etc…but I feel there fee is pretty high. I’m interested in one of their dogs and would hate to have it fall apart cause the fee is too high…
If just me, I would. My wife, being Caribbean is very spiritual and feels our Zeus will be coming back as a puppy and has found us.
and Zeus doesn’t want to come back as a girl. Lol
She is a beautiful dog- I do hope a good family finds her and loves her. They are the best dogs ever if you love them and spend the time to train them.
Many potential dog owners do not seem to understand that (a) dogs are pack animals and do not do well alone for long times; and (b) almost all dogs need a lot of physical and mental activity to be happy and to be good pets. Almost all breeds were developed to do a job, and a dog from that kind of breed needs something that takes up a similar amount of energy.
When we first got our German Shepherd, we also had a Boxer. Though, the Boxer was younger as our son had gotten her as a puppy and Zeus at 5 y/o. But they took to each other immediately. The strange thing is that Zeus was an Alpha Male and did not get along with any other dogs besides our boxer. And he let her boss him around. The two of them were non stop running the yard, playing and just having fun all the time.
But you are right, we lost our boxer at 7 y/o unexpectantly, and our GS went into such a deep depression that we thought we would lose him. He would not eat or even want to get up out of bed.
We got ourselves another Boxer a couple of months after losing our other one and we brought her home at 8 weeks. And since the GS typically did not do well with other dogs, we introduced them very carefully. We put the puppy into her crate and had Zeus come over to say hi- and almost immediately, he had his big snout into her crate and she was right up with them and both just started kissing each other and instantly became best friends- he would sleep with this little puppy and if she tried to run off- he would reach out with his big paw and pull her back up next to her. He got his energy and life back immediately.
It may not mean a dog has to have another dog with them but they will attach themselves to someone in the family and would be lost without attention.
No worries I will keep posting available rescue dogs here . Someone will eventually make a match.
This is spot on. Come to my farm, it's like friggin Noah's Ark. Because according to my wife, everyone needs a friend. We specifically got Great Pyrenes for the farm because they're livestock guardian dogs. Their job is bred in them.
We were going to take them to the dog trainer down the street and talked to him about it. He said don't waste your time, your dogs have a job to do and they know that job very well. They don't listen to commands because they feel those commands are getting in the way of them doing their job. They're always on alert for predators so you telling them to come is getting in the way of their guard duty.
People always comment how well behaved they are when we take them on walks. I didn't teach them a damn thing, I got to sit and that was about it. Their breeding makes them great around kids. They're bred to protect and defend the flock/herd. So not aggressive at all unless you try to harm us. They're quite large dogs as they were bred to defend against wolves. They understand what they're supposed to protect by the elders passing down that knowledge or becoming accustomed to animals on your farm.
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