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Caliknight

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Also Caliknight, before you make fun of me for driving a Prius, let me announce that I now have a Benz. And yes I got it specifically because secretly deep down I want car nerds like RU4real et al to respect me.

Sounds like an instant upgrade in the respect department while driving was just had. Does this mean I can't make go cart jokes anymore?
 

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Trump's response is so laughably embarrassing in that piece. I get not liking Clinton, but I don't understand how anyone can listen that guy talk and come away feeling like he is Presidential in any way shape or form. People thought Obama brought shame upon the US? Well, this guy will be sure to bring us to new lows. Personally, it sounds like he has some mental problems going on upstairs.
He has the best words.
 

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I don't know much about Mercedes, but they get a lot more respect on the road than a Prius. That much is for sure.
 

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The part worthy of mockery is bringing it up on a message board.

Also worthy of mockery is making fun of someone's vehicle choice if and when you're older than 19.

Haha. I'm only bringing it up because Cali brings up my Prius in most arguments. Just having some fun.
 

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Haha. I'm only bringing it up because Cali brings up my Prius in most arguments. Just having some fun.

Oh, I know, I've seen some of those posts in the past. Was even gonna jump in to defend the Prius, but I don't engage with certain posters directly ; )
 

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Also worthy of mockery is making fun of someone's vehicle choice if and when you're older than 19.

I try not to make fun of people's vehicle choices, until they're suddenly blocking my passage in the left lane of the highway while not making any attempt to pass/move over. I also not try to make fun of people, until I see them driving with Obama and Bernie stickers on their vehicles. Then all bets are off [winking]

And to be fair, the worst offender in both categories consistency remains the Pruis, although I've seen some offensive Hyundais and the occasional Chevy Cobalt as well.
"Speak Bernie to me"? Now that is just creepy...
 
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They called him a fascist but you're right, never "a biased Sicilian".

Big difference as far as I am concerned. Bush was called that as was Obama. The injection of race in such a direct manner by a national politician was left in the George Wallace days until he revived it.
 

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I try not to make fun of people's vehicle choices, until they're suddenly blocking my passage in the left lane of the highway while not making any attempt to pass/move over. I also not try to make fun of people, until I see them driving with Obama and Bernie stickers on their vehicles. Then all bets are off [winking].

You mean faded Obama stickers. How appropriate.
 
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President Obama is one of the best, and certainly, one of the most popular Presidents we have ever had.

Singled handedly saved the economy, eliminated Bin Laden and Awlaki, and helped usher in an era of equality. All while his opposition mostly focused on his race, alleged religion, shut down the government, frivoulous lawsuits, shouting at him during speeches, and promising to make him a one termer, including by trying to prevent citizens from voting.

Of course, they failed, and their solution to failure was to look at someone who donated to Hillary Clinton, went into bankruptcy four times, had 3 marriages, employed illegal immigrants, took business to China, won't release his tax returns, won't pay vendors, who is racist that encourages violence and is resultingly approved by 30% of voters. After crying for 8 years that Obama was divisive, they said how about someone that mocks the disabled? Obama is a communist, but how about a supporter of socialized medicine who wants to levy 35% tariffs on foreign products?

It is unfortunate for cons that their Obama derangement syndrome will continue for decades once he is on the SCOTUS.

The only question left for the cons is will they push the teabaggers out and get serious or will they continue to be a regional party facing certain demographic death?
 

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President Obama is one of the best, and certainly, one of the most popular Presidents we have ever had.

Singled handedly saved the economy, eliminated Bin Laden and Awlaki, and helped usher in an era of equality. All while his opposition mostly focused on his race, alleged religion, shut down the government, frivoulous lawsuits, shouting at him during speeches, and promising to make him a one termer, including by trying to prevent citizens from voting.

Of course, they failed, and their solution to failure was to look at someone who donated to Hillary Clinton, went into bankruptcy four times, had 3 marriages, employed illegal immigrants, took business to China, won't release his tax returns, won't pay vendors, who is racist that encourages violence and is resultingly approved by 30% of voters. After crying for 8 years that Obama was divisive, they said how about someone that mocks the disabled? Obama is a communist, but how about a supporter of socialized medicine who wants to levy 35% tariffs on foreign products?

It is unfortunate for cons that their Obama derangement syndrome will continue for decades once he is on the SCOTUS.

The only question left for the cons is will they push the teabaggers out and get serious or will they continue to be a regional party facing certain demographic death?

Your quixotic quest to try to "convert" people to a liberal perspective is funny. People will believe what they want and retreat to their own echo chambers, whether that is Fox News, Huff Post, or whatever their taste may be. I'll be presumptive here and say that it'd be much appreciated by the rest of the board if you would stop trying to fly off on tangents and get all preachy. If you would try to keep to the theme of the rest of the board and make comments that are bitter, cynical, sarcastic, and...most importantly...short, your POV may be more welcomed.
 

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I try not to make fun of people's vehicle choices, until they're suddenly blocking my passage in the left lane of the highway while not making any attempt to pass/move over. I also not try to make fun of people, until I see them driving with Obama and Bernie stickers on their vehicles. Then all bets are off [winking]

And to be fair, the worst offender in both categories consistency remains the Pruis, although I've seen some offensive Hyundais and the occasional Chevy Cobalt as well.
"Speak Bernie to me"? Now that is just creepy...
I joke with my kids that a Prius comes from the factory with an Obama sticker on it.
 
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In my experience the Bernie stickers are on 80s vintage volvo station wagons.

80s Volvo wagons may be old, but those boxes ain't vintage.

The P1800 ES, on the other hand, is all classic:

 

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The 89 240 DL is a great car. I had over 300,000 miles on mine before I sold it to a Volvo aficionado for $600.
 
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Your quixotic quest to try to "convert" people to a liberal perspective is funny. People will believe what they want and retreat to their own echo chambers, whether that is Fox News, Huff Post, or whatever their taste may be. I'll be presumptive here and say that it'd be much appreciated by the rest of the board if you would stop trying to fly off on tangents and get all preachy. If you would try to keep to the theme of the rest of the board and make comments that are bitter, cynical, sarcastic, and...most importantly...short, your POV may be more welcomed.

Never tried to convert anyone. I know the truth tears at them. If anything, I'm being nice, trying to make them realize their entire belief system will be shambles by the end of November so they can brace themselves.
 

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Your quixotic quest to try to "convert" people to a liberal perspective is funny. People will believe what they want and retreat to their own echo chambers, whether that is Fox News, Huff Post, or whatever their taste may be. I'll be presumptive here and say that it'd be much appreciated by the rest of the board if you would stop trying to fly off on tangents and get all preachy. If you would try to keep to the theme of the rest of the board and make comments that are bitter, cynical, sarcastic, and...most importantly...short, your POV may be more welcomed.

He can't. Hysterics and uninformed teeth grinding long posts that no one reads are his calling cards.
 
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lol. Buy a thesaurus with all your millions. Look up "hysteric(al)" and then you can use it to refer to yourself once the bankrupter you aspire to be loses Utah.
 

Caliknight

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^ just another example. He can't help himself. It's kinda funny to see him wind himself up all the time.
 

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President Obama is one of the best, and certainly, one of the most popular Presidents we have ever had.

Singled handedly saved the economy, eliminated Bin Laden and Awlaki, and helped usher in an era of equality. All while his opposition mostly focused on his race, alleged religion, shut down the government, frivoulous lawsuits, shouting at him during speeches, and promising to make him a one termer, including by trying to prevent citizens from voting.

Of course, they failed, and their solution to failure was to look at someone who donated to Hillary Clinton, went into bankruptcy four times, had 3 marriages, employed illegal immigrants, took business to China, won't release his tax returns, won't pay vendors, who is racist that encourages violence and is resultingly approved by 30% of voters. After crying for 8 years that Obama was divisive, they said how about someone that mocks the disabled? Obama is a communist, but how about a supporter of socialized medicine who wants to levy 35% tariffs on foreign products?

It is unfortunate for cons that their Obama derangement syndrome will continue for decades once he is on the SCOTUS.

The only question left for the cons is will they push the teabaggers out and get serious or will they continue to be a regional party facing certain demographic death?


That a purportedly educated person could see things this way is just as appalling as the extremists that such a person claims to detest. Remarkable.
 
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The truth hurts sometimes.

Hillary up 12 points.

Texas' abortion ban struck down.

8th Benghazi witch hunt ends up with no scalps.

Rough week for you guys.
 
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That a purportedly educated person could see things this way is just as appalling as the extremists that such a person claims to detest. Remarkable.

The truth is remarkable.

Please point out where I what I said was untrue. The American people spoke twice. They continually speak; President Obama has majority approval. Whom are the national Republicans with majority approval? John Kasich? Look what happened to him.

Purportedly educated? Let's see...where do college-educated voters stand on Obama? Where do they stand on your current candidate? Want to go down that road? It will get ugly, and fast. Of course, those with advanced degrees supported Obama twice. Want to talk the current election? It will get uglier. Want to chat about why those with more degrees, as shown by study after study, tend to be more liberal? How about the greatest indicator for Trump support in a county is number of people without high school degrees?

Let's hear all of the accomplishments of national Republicans in the past 8 years. Here's a starter pack: closed bridge lanes, poisoned water, shutting down schools, shutting down the government, costing untold millions, the chancellor of LSU warning football may have to be cancelled, 62 votes to overturn Obamacare, 8 Benghazi investigations, lots of "thoughts and prayers" but no laws after multiple gun massacres, countless unconstitutional laws overturned on abortion, gay marriage, immigration and voting at taxpayer expense, millions flushed down the toilet after businesses left states and continue to do after anti-LGBT legislation in states with serious poverty and job flight, a presidential debate with reference to genital size, a former House speaker sent to jail for bribing boys he molested to remain silent, earthquakes in Oklahoma, a quixotic campaign to shut down marijuana legalization in Colorado by surrounding states, at least two AGs bought off by Trump to not investigate his "university", a vice presidential candidate who thought Africa was a country whose husband was an Alaskan separatist, a Presidential candidate who said 47% of the country receiving government benefits, including seniors, and vets, are :"takers". Off the top of my head.

Oh and a presidential candidate with 4 bankruptcies, 3 marriages, who supported among other things: socialized medicine, arresting women who had abortions, 35% tariffs, not paying small businesses, banning Muslims from entering the country, having people armed in bars, a "deportation force" to expel the undocumented, and who doesn't believe in vaccinations, accused the President of being born outside of the country while never providing proof, called a judge born in Indiana "a Mexican", who claimed "thousands and thousands" in NJ celebrated on 9/11 which he witnessed, and claimed Mexico is deliberately deciding who to "send" here, among other greatest hits.

But yeah, how could anyone support the guy who actually killed terrorists, saved the economy, and expanded rights for all Americans? Yeah, I mean people with higher education usually categorize judges by ethnicity.

Remarkable. Almost as remarkable as a purportedly educated person who gladly signs up to vote for all of that, who takes time on the internet to defend it and pretend there's an equivalency between a party whose stated goal was not to fix the economy but rather to make the President a one termer, and one of the most popular presidents in modern times.

What will be most remarkable is the goose your attitude has cooked for the GOP and the electoral results it will bring you. It will be great for America though which is all that counts at the end.
 

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The truth is remarkable.

Please point out where I what I said was untrue. The American people spoke twice. They continually speak; President Obama has majority approval. Whom are the national Republicans with majority approval? John Kasich? Look what happened to him.

Purportedly educated? Let's see...where do college-educated voters stand on Obama? Where do they stand on your current candidate? Want to go down that road? It will get ugly, and fast. Of course, those with advanced degrees supported Obama twice. Want to talk the current election? It will get uglier. Want to chat about why those with more degrees, as shown by study after study, tend to be more liberal? How about the greatest indicator for Trump support in a county is number of people without high school degrees?

Let's hear all of the accomplishments of national Republicans in the past 8 years. Here's a starter pack: closed bridge lanes, poisoned water, shutting down schools, shutting down the government, costing untold millions, the chancellor of LSU warning football may have to be cancelled, 62 votes to overturn Obamacare, 8 Benghazi investigations, lots of "thoughts and prayers" but no laws after multiple gun massacres, countless unconstitutional laws overturned on abortion, gay marriage, immigration and voting at taxpayer expense, millions flushed down the toilet after businesses left states and continue to do after anti-LGBT legislation in states with serious poverty and job flight, a presidential debate with reference to genital size, a former House speaker sent to jail for bribing boys he molested to remain silent, earthquakes in Oklahoma, a quixotic campaign to shut down marijuana legalization in Colorado by surrounding states, at least two AGs bought off by Trump to not investigate his "university", a vice presidential candidate who thought Africa was a country whose husband was an Alaskan separatist, a Presidential candidate who said 47% of the country receiving government benefits, including seniors, and vets, are :"takers". Off the top of my head.

Oh and a presidential candidate with 4 bankruptcies, 3 marriages, who supported among other things: socialized medicine, arresting women who had abortions, 35% tariffs, not paying small businesses, banning Muslims from entering the country, having people armed in bars, a "deportation force" to expel the undocumented, and who doesn't believe in vaccinations, accused the President of being born outside of the country while never providing proof, called a judge born in Indiana "a Mexican", who claimed "thousands and thousands" in NJ celebrated on 9/11 which he witnessed, and claimed Mexico is deliberately deciding who to "send" here, among other greatest hits.

But yeah, how could anyone support the guy who actually killed terrorists, saved the economy, and expanded rights for all Americans? Yeah, I mean people with higher education usually categorize judges by ethnicity.

Remarkable. Almost as remarkable as a purportedly educated person who gladly signs up to vote for all of that, who takes time on the internet to defend it and pretend there's an equivalency between a party whose stated goal was not to fix the economy but rather to make the President a one termer, and one of the most popular presidents in modern times.

What will be most remarkable is the goose your attitude has cooked for the GOP and the electoral results it will bring you. It will be great for America though which is all that counts at the end.

$100 says he actually thinks someone read this.
 

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The truth is remarkable.

Please point out where I what I said was untrue. The American people spoke twice. They continually speak; President Obama has majority approval. Whom are the national Republicans with majority approval? John Kasich? Look what happened to him.

Purportedly educated? Let's see...where do college-educated voters stand on Obama? Where do they stand on your current candidate? Want to go down that road? It will get ugly, and fast. Of course, those with advanced degrees supported Obama twice. Want to talk the current election? It will get uglier. Want to chat about why those with more degrees, as shown by study after study, tend to be more liberal? How about the greatest indicator for Trump support in a county is number of people without high school degrees?

Let's hear all of the accomplishments of national Republicans in the past 8 years. Here's a starter pack: closed bridge lanes, poisoned water, shutting down schools, shutting down the government, costing untold millions, the chancellor of LSU warning football may have to be cancelled, 62 votes to overturn Obamacare, 8 Benghazi investigations, lots of "thoughts and prayers" but no laws after multiple gun massacres, countless unconstitutional laws overturned on abortion, gay marriage, immigration and voting at taxpayer expense, millions flushed down the toilet after businesses left states and continue to do after anti-LGBT legislation in states with serious poverty and job flight, a presidential debate with reference to genital size, a former House speaker sent to jail for bribing boys he molested to remain silent, earthquakes in Oklahoma, a quixotic campaign to shut down marijuana legalization in Colorado by surrounding states, at least two AGs bought off by Trump to not investigate his "university", a vice presidential candidate who thought Africa was a country whose husband was an Alaskan separatist, a Presidential candidate who said 47% of the country receiving government benefits, including seniors, and vets, are :"takers". Off the top of my head.

Oh and a presidential candidate with 4 bankruptcies, 3 marriages, who supported among other things: socialized medicine, arresting women who had abortions, 35% tariffs, not paying small businesses, banning Muslims from entering the country, having people armed in bars, a "deportation force" to expel the undocumented, and who doesn't believe in vaccinations, accused the President of being born outside of the country while never providing proof, called a judge born in Indiana "a Mexican", who claimed "thousands and thousands" in NJ celebrated on 9/11 which he witnessed, and claimed Mexico is deliberately deciding who to "send" here, among other greatest hits.

But yeah, how could anyone support the guy who actually killed terrorists, saved the economy, and expanded rights for all Americans? Yeah, I mean people with higher education usually categorize judges by ethnicity.

Remarkable. Almost as remarkable as a purportedly educated person who gladly signs up to vote for all of that, who takes time on the internet to defend it and pretend there's an equivalency between a party whose stated goal was not to fix the economy but rather to make the President a one termer, and one of the most popular presidents in modern times.

What will be most remarkable is the goose your attitude has cooked for the GOP and the electoral results it will bring you. It will be great for America though which is all that counts at the end.

This is a great example of how closed-minded people do their own views a disservice. Applying "Your ___" to others is only effective if true. I think for myself, I disagree with one political party one day, and another the next, and often times both parties at once. It's called thinking for oneself. On the other hand, the only abilities you seem to have is writing many words that say little, making false assumptions, and repeating talking points picked up elsewhere.
 
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Says the guy who was all in on Bernout.

LOL says the guy who said Romney would win and who wanted to keep Flood.

At the end of the day, Scalia will replaced by someone liberal. That is what counts most.

You're about as good at picking winners as Trump is.
 
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This is a great example of how closed-minded people do their own views a disservice. Applying "Your ___" to others is only effective if true. I think for myself, I disagree with one political party one day, and another the next, and often times both parties at once. It's called thinking for oneself. On the other hand, the only abilities you seem to have is writing many words that say little, making false assumptions, and repeating talking points picked up elsewhere.

If that were true, you could provide an example of anything I said that was false. The media actually rarely reports on quite a few things I mentioned.

Not only that, but you're the one with assumptions- I don't watch TV news nor am I on twitter or most social media. And I don't always agree with Democrats and have condemned Sweeney, Norcross and others time and again. It was only recently that the Republicans on the board started to criticize their own, because well things have gotten that bad for them. And you go onto to say you to me. Meanwhile, if what I said was a talking point, you would easily be able to provide proof. Again, still waiting- you dove right into the personal attack and then accuse me of being closed minded.
 

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Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents in US history and as a terrorist apologist. Obama did nothing but continue failed Bush policies and force a law down people's throats that won't last a year after he leaves office.
 

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If that were true, you could provide an example of anything I said that was false. The media actually rarely reports on quite a few things I mentioned.

Not only that, but you're the one with assumptions- I don't watch TV news nor am I on twitter or most social media. And I don't always agree with Democrats and have condemned Sweeney, Norcross and others time and again. It was only recently that the Republicans on the board started to criticize their own, because well things have gotten that bad for them. And you go onto to say you to me. Meanwhile, if what I said was a talking point, you would easily be able to provide proof. Again, still waiting- you dove right into the personal attack and then accuse me of being closed minded.

The things you stated were all your opinions. E.g., "single handedly saved the economy." Such things would only be said by someone with a political agenda or a person who has no idea how the economy works, how to analyze it, or how the actions of a President can and do affect it. Taking that into account, none are "false" because it seems that the things you said are indeed your opinions.

The precise problem is that individuals with political agendas think that their opinions are facts and shut down all reasoned debate; that is no better than the people that they claim to detest. Not everyone who disagrees with you (or the President) is a racist.
 

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Not isn't very bright. Just watch him spin his wheels and laugh at him like all but two other people on this board do. That's when he is t being given a timeout for posting his nonsense, which has happened. And likely will again.
 

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Amazing, no comments about how the markets are recovering from this "economic disaster" of Brexit. In a week things will be back to the way they were before the vote. Just another example of two things: 1) overreaction to things they think they don't like, even though they don't know why, and, 2) panic in the markets over uncertainty. The biggest factor in the market reaction to the Brexit vote was that it was announced on a Friday. Creating a situation where no one wanted to go into the weekend with so much uncertainty. If the announcement happened on a Tuesday the reaction would have been much more muted.
 
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Amazing, no comments about how the markets are recovering from this "economic disaster" of Brexit. In a week things will be back to the way they were before the vote. Just another example of two things: 1) overreaction to things they think they don't like, even though they don't know why, and, 2) panic in the markets over uncertainty. The biggest factor in the market reaction to the Brexit vote was that it was announced on a Friday. Creating a situation where no one wanted to go into the weekend with so much uncertainty. If the announcement happened on a Tuesday the reaction would have been much more muted.
As I said above I didn't expect the end of the world from Brexit. There would be reaction and overreaction and eventually the markets would settle out. The weekend was part of the exacerbation but I think the biggest part of it was just the surprise and most being on the wrong side of the trade. Really IMO, there was a decent chance for a selloff anyways just on the news even if they remained, it got magnified on the surprise.

Frankly the selloff was fairly orderly and I've said in other threads outside of the European financials it didn't feel "panicky" at all. But the same way you can't read much into those selloffs, you can't read much into the rebounds. This is all going to play out over years, not days or months even and in that time there will be lots of uncertainties, unknowns and headline risks that will make the markets react. Like I was saying one British gov't official said the average trade deals takes 6.2 years to complete for them so that's quite a bit beyond the 2 years after Article 50 gets invoked. How much investment will be stalled because of all the uncertainty and in turn affect the economies over there and then the world?

To me it was always about potential and there will be real costs and opportunity costs for leaving and for what? Likely at best the status quo and in the meantime you put yourself in a likely recession and lots of uncertainty. I don't see the massive gain they get by being out.

One extra bit of news though on Scotland. France and Spain have given a pretty firm no to them if they declare independence. I think that was pretty expected from Spain as they worry about Catalonia trying to leave just like in 2014 when they were firmly against Scotland as well. I think that EU membership is key in any 2nd independence referendum in Scotland. But like I said you can't always be logical when judging things regarding human emotion just like the UK referendum. They got 45% last time with the same caveats and a promise that has now been removed. I believe one JP Morgan analysts base case right now is for Scottish independence in the next few years by 2019.

Some new news just out, Boris Johnson isn't seeking the PM job.
 
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