Any team that plays at the phog, is playing with one arm tied behind their backs..if you take the phog magic out of it Kansas is very beatable. Which happens quite often. I have never seen a team get protected as much in their conferance as Kansas..(except maybe two teams in N.C) only difference is when you get away from phog, tournament has too many eyes on it and you cant get away with as much...
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Any team that plays at the phog, is playing with one arm tied behind their backs..if you take the phog magic out of it Kansas is very beatable. Which happens quite often. I have never seen a team get protected as much in their conferance as Kansas..(except maybe two teams in N.C) only difference is when you get away from phog, tournament has too many eyes on it and you cant get away with as much...
Out of the big 12 (snicker...) your team is not elite...i will give you this though,,you guys invented the sport i love so there's that...
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2012-04-02-kansas.html
Mine wins every time against anything you put up. Now go to bed, son.
You want to talk about recent history? Heres some recent history.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2012-04-02-kansas.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2012-04-02-kansas.html
This is such a great thread. A team whose titles rivals Florida, Louisville, UConn, Ohio State, and Cincinnati keep coming back to a topic their program's history doesn't touch.
You mentioned 100 years. If we were double the titles Kansas won in their first 118 years you'd still be at 6.
You'd be more revered? If 6 ever becomes =8 then you're correct. You make this too easy.
You mentioned 100 years. If we were double the titles Kansas won in their first 118 years you'd still be at 6.
You'd be more revered? If 6 ever becomes =8 then you're correct. You make this too easy.
Go ahead and go to bed. You'll still have less wins and 5 less titles than Kentucky when you wake up. When I wake up my team will still be the greatest Men's college basketball team in history. Here's another thing that will still be the same when you wake up.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2012-04-02-kansas.html
When was the last time Kansas beat Kentucky in the National Title game? You notice the theme with everything you say? Here's a hint: Regular season
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Look Little Brother, Kansas is the 3rd All Time program (which is a nice feat) but UCLA is 2nd and Kentucky is King. @VanillaRilla and yourself need to understand and accept this fact.
Not to mention half of our championships have come against the Big 8/12.
Baylor, Oklahoma St., Kansas St, Kansas.
Historically we own that conference.
Baylor, Oklahoma St., Kansas St, Kansas.
Historically we own that conference.
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You do understand that Kansas only beat Kentucky ONCE in 35 years and lost 16 of the first 17 game to Kentucky in the series? In case you didn't, here's a friendly reminder:
and you'll also still be playing home basketball in stank concrete shopping mall...named after a Kansan and Jayhawk!
-irrelevant
I'll take the every year kick-*** reg. season, Allen Fieldhouse atmosphere and the Hawks over your home court and extra titles any day - no question whatsoever.
- Asinine drivel.
Since I've been following the Hawks in the mid-80's we've averaged a Final 4 every 5 years. Give me the Bradley's, VCU, Northern Iowa, Stanford and the Bucknell's if you can tell me we'll be in the tourney every year and reach a final 4 20% of the time.
- Again, more asinine drivel
Dude, you lost in the first round of the NIT in recent years...at HOME!
- The game was played at Robert Morris(fact check, nothing more). Yes, it sucked.
KY ain't all that so yea, you're a full on kool-aid type of low IQ BB fan
- I'll excuse your fit of rage. The surest sign you're losing a debate is a personal attack. It has to be hard for a fan of a 2nd rate blueblood.
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Little Brother, until you surpass Kentucky on ANY categories in "the list", you will ALWAYS be looking up to Kentucky. That. Is. A. Fact.
All Time Wins: 2258 (NCAArank #1)
All Time Winning Percentage: .765 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Championships: 8 (NCAA rank #2)
NCAA Championship Game Appearances: 12 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Final Four Appearances: 17 (NCAA rank#2)
NCAA Final Four Games Played: 29 (NCAA rank #3)
NCAA Final Four Wins: 20 (NCAA rank #2)
NCAA Final Four Winning Percentage: .715 (NCAA rank #8)
NCAA Elite-8 Appearances: 37 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Sweet-16 Appearances: 42 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 56 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Tournament Games Played: 173 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Tournament Wins: 124 (NCAA rank #1)
NCAA Tournament Winning Percentage: .713 (NCAA rank #4)
Total Postseason Tournament Appearances (NCAA and NIT): 65 (NCAA rank #1)
NBA Draft Picks: 134 (NCAA rank #1)
All-Americans: 60 (NCAA rank #1)
All-American Total Selections: 90 (NCAA rank #1)
First Team Consensus All-Americans: 25 (NCAA rank #2)
First Team Consensus All-American Total Selections: 30 (NCAA rank #2)
AP Poll Top-20/25 Weeks Ranked All Time: 863 (NCAA rank #2)
AP Poll Top-10 Weeks Ranked All Time: 678 (NCAA rank #1)
AP Poll Top-5 Weeks Ranked All Time: 454 (NCAA rank #1)
AP Poll #1 Weeks Ranked All Time: 124 (NCAA rank #3)
Final AP Poll Top-25 Finishes: 50 (NCAA rank #1)
Final AP Poll Top-20 Finishes: 50 (NCAA rank #1)
Final AP Poll Top-15 Finishes: 45 (NCAA rank #1)
Final AP Poll Top-10 Finishes: 41 (NCAA rank #1)
Final AP Poll Top-5 Finishes: 30 (NCAA rank #1)
Final AP Poll #1 Finishes: 10 (NCAA rank #1)
All Time Winning Percentage Against AP-Ranked Opponents: .613 (NCAA Rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll Top-25 Finishes: 47 (NCAA rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll Top-20 Finishes: 46 (NCAA rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll Top-15 Finishes: 43 (NCAA rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll Top-10 Finishes: 39 (NCAA rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll Top-5 Finishes: 30 (NCAA rank #1)
Final UPI/Coaches' Poll #1 Finishes: 8 (NCAA rank #1)
Total 20-Win Seasons: 61 (NCAA rank #1)
Total 25-Win Seasons: 35 (NCAA rank #2)
Total 30-Win Seasons: 15 (NCAA rank #1)
Total 35-Win Seasons: 6 (NCAA rank #1)
Average Victories Per SeasonPlayed:19.4464285714 (NCAA rank #3)
Average Losses Per Season Played: 6.0 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Winning Seasons: 97 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Non-Losing Seasons (.500 or better): 100 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Undefeated Seasons: 2 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Head Coaches With a NCAA Championship: 5 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Championships: 1 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Championships in the Same Decade: 1 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With a NCAA Championship Game Appearance: 5 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Championship Game Appearances: 4 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Championship Game Appearances in the Same Decade: 4 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With a NCAA Final Four Appearance: 5 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Final Four Appearances: 4 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Head Coaches With Multiple NCAA Final Four Appearances in the Same Decade: 4 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Head Coaches With Both NCAA and NIT Championships: 2 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades With a NCAA Championship: 5 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades With Multiple NCAA Championships: 3 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades With a NCAA Championship Game Appearance: 6 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Decades With Multiple NCAAChampionship Game Appearances: 5 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades With a NCAA Final Four Appearance: 7 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades With Multiple NCAA Final Four Appearances: 5 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades #1 in Total Wins (since 1930): 1 (NCAA rank #2)
Total Decades Top-5 in Total Wins (since 1930): 4 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades Top-10 in Total Wins (since 1930): 7 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades #1 in Winning Percentage (since 1930): 2 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades Top-5 in Winning Percentage (since 1930): 6 (NCAA rank #1)
Total Decades Top-10 in Winning Percentage (since 1930): 7 (NCAA rank #1)
Conference Regular Season Championships: 48 (NCAA rank #2)
Conference Tournament Championships: 30 (NCAA rank #1)
National Attendance Titles: 26 (NCAA rank #1)
(Of the 71 major categories listed above, Kentucky is #1 in 50 of them, #2 in 16 of them, #3 in 3 of them, #4 in 1 of them, and #8 in 1 of them.)
Kentucky can also lay claim to several individual achievements for both players and coaches:
13 players winning NBA Championships a total of 20 times
12 players named NBA All-Star a total of 23 times
12 Olympic Gold Medal winners
10 Naismith Hall-of-Fame members
5 players named National Player-of-the-Year
2 players named National Freshman-of-the-Year
6 head coaches named National Coach-of-the Year a total of 14 times
7 head coaches named SEC Coach-of-the-Year a total of 22 times
139 players named All-Conference a total of 230 times
83 players named All-Conference Tournament a total of 120 times
12 players named Conference Player-of-the-Year a total of 14 times
7 players named Conference Freshman-of-the-Year
32 players named to the All-Conference Freshman Team
17 players named Conference Tournament MVP a total of 18 times
18 players named All-NCAA Final Four a total of 21 times
51 players named All-NCAA Regional a total of 65 times
5 players named NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player a total of 6 times
12 players named NCAA Regional Most Outstanding Player a total of 13 times
74 players who played in the NBA at least one season
60 1000-point scorers
57 players named McDonald's All-American
6 times being ranked #1 in the season opening AP Poll
6 times being ranked #1 in the season opening UPI/Coaches' Poll
12 times a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament
4 times being the NCAA official #1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament
Kentucky also holds several other NCAA records and various additional accomplishments:
Kentucky has 2 NIT Championships (1946, 1976), 7 Helms Titles (1933, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1954, 1958, 1978), 2 undefeated seasons (1912, 1954), 5 Sugar Bowl Tournament Championships (1937, 1939, 1949, 1956, 1963), a league best all time SEC regular season record of 972-268 (.784), a league best 48 SEC Regular Season Championships, a league best all time SEC Tournament record of 130-25 (.839), and a league best 30 SEC Tournament Championships. Kentucky also holds the SEC's all time consecutive win streak among all past or present SEC schools at 38 straight victories, and is one of only 2 SEC schools to ever finish at 21-0 for the entire SEC season (18-0 record in the SEC Regular Season, plus a 3-0 record in the SEC Tournament).
Kentucky holds the NCAA records for Consecutive Non-Losing Seasons (60), Consecutive Home Court Victories (129), and for Total Victories in a Season (38), and for the best start for any season in NCAA Men's Basketball history at 38-0.
Kentucky plays in the nation's largest basketball arena (Rupp Arena, capacity: 23,500), and has both the nation's largest radio and television affiliate networks.
Kentucky has made a 3-point basket in 1013 consecutive games (1st-most all time), and has won 17 of the last 20 National Attendance Titles, including 8 of the last 10 and 25 overall.
Kentucky is the only school to have multiple NCAA (8) and NIT (2) Championships, the only school to have 5 different NCAA Championship head coaches, the only school to have 4 coaches with multiple NCAA Championship Game appearances, the only school to have 4 coaches with multiple NCAA Championship Game appearances in the same decade, the only school to have 4 coaches with 3 NCAA Final Four appearances, the only school to win NCAA Championships in 5 different decades, the only school to win multiple NCAA Championships in 3 different decades, the only school to have NCAA Championship Game appearances in 5 different decades, the only school to have multiple NCAA Championship Game appearances in 5 different decades, the only school to have multiple NCAA Final Four appearances in 5 different decades, the only school to have 2 different head coaches win both NCAA and NIT Championships, and the one of only 2 schools to have 2 different head coaches win a NCAA Championship in the same decade.
Kentucky has played before the largest regulation basketball game crowd in history (79,444), the largest Final Four game crowd in history (79,444), the largest NCAA Championship Game crowd in history (79,238), and the largest total Final Four game crowd (both games) in history (158,682).
Kentucky is the only school to have 5 players selected in the 1st-Round of the NBA Draft in the same year (2010), the only school to have both the #1 and #2 picks of the NBA Draft in the same year (2012), the only school to have 6 players drafted in the first 2 rounds of the NBA draft in the same year (2012, 2015), and the only school to sign 6 McDonald's All-Americans in the same year (2013).
Kentucky was the first college program to reach both the 1000-win and 2000-win victory plateaus.
Kentucky is the first team to be live-broadcast on the SEC Network.
Kentucky is one of only three schools to have 9 McDonald's All-Americans on a single roster.
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Once again, Lil' Bro:
22-9 head-to-head
8 titles to 3
All time winningest program in NCAA history.
Kentucky is Cadillac, Kansas is Oldsmobile
Kentucky is Lexus, Kansas is Toyota
Deal with it.
Didn't realize that happened I was too busy keeping up with the Jayhawks sexual assault cases. Go find Self's toupee and rock choke gay hawk back to your nest.
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If we counted all those titles we lead over everyone. Kansas basketball players and sexual assault go hand in hand and I'm not guessing.
We don't celebrate or throw parades for conference championships. We do however beat teams in the championship game that run out of time. Cop out much. Go find that toupee.
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Since the beginning of basketball:
Kentucky 22
Kansas 9
Kentucky 8 Titles
Kansas 3 Titles
Kentucky 2258 wins
Kansas 2241
See the theme Little Brother @VanillaRilla? Kansas is in 2nd place looking up to Kentucky.
I can't believe all the people who are actually "participating" in this thread.
You do realize it's the equivalent of an Internet D!ÇĶ Measuring Contest? EXCEPT, you're measuring other dudes' junk to brag and boast about as some sort of reflected glory to bask in.
No one here is directly responsible or contributed to any of the teams mentioned, or their historic successes and accomplishments.
However, thank you for the amusement of watching a group of mostly grown men I would assume, line up for their chance to whip out their ruler & size up other's accomplishments to see who's resume is more endowed for you to fawn & slobber all over.
Carry on... .
You do realize it's the equivalent of an Internet D!ÇĶ Measuring Contest? EXCEPT, you're measuring other dudes' junk to brag and boast about as some sort of reflected glory to bask in.
No one here is directly responsible or contributed to any of the teams mentioned, or their historic successes and accomplishments.
However, thank you for the amusement of watching a group of mostly grown men I would assume, line up for their chance to whip out their ruler & size up other's accomplishments to see who's resume is more endowed for you to fawn & slobber all over.
Carry on... .
So you need a history lesson. Well you came to the right place. Yes greatest is based off of national championships not conference titles or consecutive appearances. Anyone can make an appearance, but only a few can be the life of the party.
The measurements have already been done
Kentucky is an 8
Kansas is a 3
Kentucky's is bigger.
Kentucky is an 8
Kansas is a 3
Kentucky's is bigger.
So UK was the elite program by far along with Duke in 90's....why cut off from 2000 on?
[laughing]In this thread, the KU guys are in the red shorts.
I agree with you on all of this. I think we would agree that UK is #1.
I also don't think that KU is doing illegitimate things on an institutional level that others aren't.
That being said, you guys have had more bozos and delinquents on your rosters over the last decade than the other blue bloods (unless you count illiteracy as a moral failure, in which case UNC has you beat).
Also, hanging your bread titles next to actual banners with no differentiation is stupid.
Naismith invented basketball in Springfield, MA, before he became the KU coach. The University of Kansas didn't invent ****.