OT: Baseball HOF Thread
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So they had Jayson Stark, Peter Gammons, the Post's Joel Sherman and 4yh guy's name escapes me. They were asked how many get in this year. One said 3 including Schilling, 2 said Jeter and Walker only and Gammons said Walker just misses out and Jeter goes in alone
Jeter and Walker. No Schilling.
Congrats to both, very well deserved.
Congrats to both, very well deserved.
That dickhead reporter is probably from Boston. No rationale reason for not voting for Jeter.
As for Walker, very borderline, but I would vote no.
Lou Whitaker, the great Tiger 2nd baseman is not in the HOF. He should have gone in with Alan Trammel last year. They're the longest running double-play combo in MLB history (18 years). Whitaker's stats: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/12/02/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-lou-whitaker/
Alan Trammel shouldn't be in. Let's not use that mistake to justify another mistake.
I am historically a man of verbal violence only but Mr.397 should die painfully over a long period of time. Was he the most talented player/shortstop/hitter/ fielder/ runner? No of course not. Would Joe Torre be Joe Torre without him? Nope.Would they have won all those titles without him? Nope. No Jeter. No core four. This sucks. But he's in. Game Set Match.
Both deserve it - congrats to them. Lame argument, but if Mays, Aaron, Griffey are not 100%, Jeter sure as heck shouldn’t get it. They should change how they vote and make it like MVP (points for spots 1-5), so a guy like Jeter gets on every ballot but maybe gets a couple of 4s. Some people think there are all-time super HOFers that should be a little different from others.
I wonder what would be that one person's reasoning for not voting Jeter.
I am a Met's fan but we have to face facts...First thing most people think about Jeter is that he was more of a "baseball player" than a stats guy. But how many players in MLB history have played 20 years, all at one position(one of the toughest positions as well) and the same team and their 162 game average is over 200 hits, 113 runs 51 extra base hits. And it wasn't like he was just a punch and judy guy either- he also averaged 15 HR, 20+ SB 8 top 10 MVP years etc...
Even if a player averaged those numbers over a 12-15 year period, playing SS, he would be HOF.
But congrats...I would just take away voting rights to anyone that didn't vote for him.
I am a Met's fan but we have to face facts...First thing most people think about Jeter is that he was more of a "baseball player" than a stats guy. But how many players in MLB history have played 20 years, all at one position(one of the toughest positions as well) and the same team and their 162 game average is over 200 hits, 113 runs 51 extra base hits. And it wasn't like he was just a punch and judy guy either- he also averaged 15 HR, 20+ SB 8 top 10 MVP years etc...
Even if a player averaged those numbers over a 12-15 year period, playing SS, he would be HOF.
But congrats...I would just take away voting rights to anyone that didn't vote for him.
Joe DiMaggio didn't get in on the first ballot so does that mean that no one should? The BBWA have a huge ego and think they are god. But just because Babe Ruth or Griffey didn't get 100% that doesn't mean that no one should.
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If someone asks for stats, that's the only # Jeter needs to point to. Case closed.
Disagree. His stats would stand up in any era. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/trammal01.shtml
His stats are meh. Borderline "very good" player, no where close to a HOF'er.
Walker only suffered from not playing in major media markets. His offensive and defensive skills absolutely made him a HOFer.
Don't think anyone's crying any tears over Shilling's miss. As a human being what a piece of crap.
Don't think anyone's crying any tears over Shilling's miss. As a human being what a piece of crap.
There were quite a few writers back on the old days that just felt that nobody should get in on the first ballot unless they were comparable to the first class- Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Honus Wagner, and Babe Ruth.
Schilling certainly isn't and I lived in Philly during their incredible run. Regular season number meh but playoffs were great. If you vote people based on their off-season numbers than Brian Doyle should go in first. Which is stupid and why career numbers are the bases of entering.
I disagree with those that thing Walker doesn't belong. Too me he is a no brainer. Not a first ballot guy but definately belongs in the HOF.
The problem is back in his day and earlier, there were always at least a handful of writers that NEVER voted for anyone on their first ballot. It doesn't justify it but that was their thought process.
Right now, most ballots get reported so a writer may have to give a baseball reason for not voting him in. I hope they show who didn't vote for him and have him explain it.
Schilling had a few HOF moments, but not a HOF career. Different things.
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The only argument against Walker is that his home numbers were dramatically better than his away numbers, which means something when his home field is in the Mile-High thin air.
The "experts" are often wrong - see Harold Baines and Ted Simmons.
What credentials do you hold? Yeah, just as I thought, you're a good fan, but no expert.
Are baseball writers experts? I wish they were, but to me they're just guys who have seen a lot of games, and who are as influenced by nonsense (e.g. who got along best with the writers?) as anyone else. Everybody's entitled to an opinion -- that's what great about sports.
No problem with Jeter not getting 100%.
Check out this table of HOF voting. Complete table attached.
Number of Voters Who Did Not Vote for a Candidate (a sample)
Jeter - 1
Cobb - 4
Aaron - 9
Bench - 16
Ruth - 11
Mays - 23
Williams - 20
Musial - 23
Cy Young - 48!!!!
No reason for people to make a big deal about this
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages
Check out this table of HOF voting. Complete table attached.
Number of Voters Who Did Not Vote for a Candidate (a sample)
Jeter - 1
Cobb - 4
Aaron - 9
Bench - 16
Ruth - 11
Mays - 23
Williams - 20
Musial - 23
Cy Young - 48!!!!
No reason for people to make a big deal about this
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hall_of_Fame_Voting_Percentages