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jerzeyguy

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I don't understand the politics of it all. Can someone explain to me- why hasn't the State of NJ stepped in? The conditions and the waste that AC has become, is hard understand. It's seems it would be better for the state, if AC thrived.. I dont get it
 

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There are 2 Polish Water Ice locations on Ocean City, NJ boardwalk too. Owners very nice. A lady and her husband. Good stuff! Rootbeer ice and the vanilla custard
Yea and it seems that guy is always open I’ll ride my bike up there at 10pm on a Tuesday in October and he is the only place with lights on
 
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dconifer0

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Is your stand still open for the season? I’m making a 2 day trip on Tuesday/Wednesday.

FYI, we closed our water ice shop rather than sign a new lease. It just wasn't worth all the time we put into it. It made a little money, but we don't really need it. So now we can go to the beach in the summer instead of walking in to open the shop every day.

Somebody has already moved into the space and is opening some kind of frozen lemonade shop. I'm a little defensive about this, but they have ripped out our nice little counter and stools, which I think was among the nicest little shops on the boardwalk. and no more boardwalk counter -- you'll have to go inside to get served.

I'm very curious to see if they leave the two block R's I had on the glass doors.

Our house is in a nice neighborhood, Chelsea, on Delancy Street. I could leave my doors unlocked. But since I live there most of the time (my other house is in Washington TWP, Gloucester County), I do understand everybody's comments about most of the city being not very nice...
 

WhiteBus

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NJ cities are complete s-holes, no doubt. Dirty, high crime, awful schools, etc. Truly horrible places for families. As per AC, the history is a bit more mixed regarding leadership.

Dems have controlled AC with an iron grip since 1990. Over the past three decades the decline of the city has been stunning, both financially and in terms of QOL. The Dem mayor last decade was so corrupt and incompetent that an R was elected major for 1-term via a protest vote. However, with an all Dem council, he was a powerless figurehead almost instantly. So over the past 31 years:

Dem Mayor = 27 out of 31 years
Dem Council = 31 out of 31 years

Before this, AC had a mix of R and D leadership. I don't know the history pre-1990 well, so you will have to look up their performance.

FYI, the last elected Dem mayor went to jail for corruption. No surprise. LOL!
How many Mayors of AC have been indicted over the past 40 years? Simple answer all of them over corruption charges.
 
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GOP largely controlled AC until the mid-70s. It was their shhhthole that needed casino gambling.

Perhaps we should amend the thought process to new jersey politicians.. include them all.
No no no, the blame is directly where it belongs, with the democrats. They make the messes that Republicans them have to clean up.
 

WhiteBus

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Urban legend. AC was on a good run since 1990, Whelan, Langford, Levy, Evans, Lanford 2, and Guardian did not go to jail. Gilliam broke the string in 2019.
He became the fifth Atlantic City mayor to be busted on corruption charges since the 1970s. The city's history of graft and dirty-dealings at City Hall is so rich that HBO based the award-winning TV series "Boardwalk Empire" on it, focusing on turn-of-the-century politicians and crooks.
 

Plum Street

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That place is a disaster. I thought Christie tried to save it and the state pumped millions into it . Revel was was the site of Ray rice elevator punch.
Sports gambling didn’t do much to change fortunes . Everything is online
 

Knight Shift

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Perhaps not jail, but at least 3 of those were indicted.
Sure about that?


Usry (a Republican) was 1990.

Bob Levy plead guilty to defrauding the US Dept of Veterans Affairs for receiving benefits he was not entitled, but there were never allegations he did anything wrong a mayor.

Gilliam was the first since Usry to be indicted, based on quick research. I have no skin in the game.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Sure about that?


Usry (a Republican) was 1990.

Bob Levy plead guilty to defrauding the US Dept of Veterans Affairs for receiving benefits he was not entitled, but there were never allegations he did anything wrong a mayor.

Gilliam was the first since Usry to be indicted, based on quick research. I have no skin in the game.
Wow, long list of crooks! Thanks for posting. Levy left office due to pending criminal charges from the Veterans Dept.
 

Knight Shift

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Wow, long list of crooks! Thanks for posting. Levy left office due to pending criminal charges from the Veterans Dept.
He plead out. It was a strange but sad story of a guy who was otherwise a solid citizen. While I would never condone cheating the government, let's not make him out to be a high level crook for getting and additional $24,000 in benefits. He had issues.


 

BigWill

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FYI, we closed our water ice shop rather than sign a new lease. It just wasn't worth all the time we put into it. It made a little money, but we don't really need it. So now we can go to the beach in the summer instead of walking in to open the shop every day.

Somebody has already moved into the space and is opening some kind of frozen lemonade shop. I'm a little defensive about this, but they have ripped out our nice little counter and stools, which I think was among the nicest little shops on the boardwalk. and no more boardwalk counter -- you'll have to go inside to get served.

I'm very curious to see if they leave the two block R's I had on the glass doors.

Our house is in a nice neighborhood, Chelsea, on Delancy Street. I could leave my doors unlocked. But since I live there most of the time (my other house is in Washington TWP, Gloucester County), I do understand everybody's comments about most of the city being not very nice...

I do leave my home doors open here West of West Point.

But then I DO HAVE a .38 and a .357 on the premises handy.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Uhm, No! NJ has been run by democrats non stop roughly since around the time of Woodrow Wilson. All of NJ’s major cities like Newark, Paterson, Jersey city, Trenton, Camden, and Atlantic City have been controlled by democrats for very long periods of time. They are all shitholes, that suck money and resources from the rest of NJ. The reason our taxes are the highest in the nation. Just like NYC when it took Republican Rudy Giuliani 8 years to transform NYC into a safe and clean city so too it will take republicans to turn around Atlantic City and NJ.
You should realize by now that when I post a fact it is a fact that is easily verifiable. You look foolish now. Just look at the red vs blue mayors in this list..
 
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If you mean Downtown Jersey City and maybe the two luxury towers next to Journal Square PATH, yes. And they are starting to build luxury apartments in other parts now since Fulop and his developer friends ran put of space Downtown. While the rest of the city have been ignored, esp Greenville, those new building popping up will drive out homeowners and renters who can’t afford Downtown prices on Danforth Ave.

There's a ton of luxury apartments even in Greenville (esp if we're counting the West Side part of it) and Bergen-Lafayette these days.

There's also still a ton of room for development in DTJC.

And, new developments are required to include affordable housing. Bayfront for one example will have like 30-40%.
 
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Good for climbers and hikers, too. It has the most mountain ranges in the lower 48. Also the driest state.

It also has no income tax but for some reason- what a mystery- we don't hear about it.

Much like we don't hear about Washington State having no income tax either.

A real head scratcher, that.
 
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Maybe one or two zip codes. The rest is a dump. Typical “progressive” paradise. The well off and poor with no middle class

False, but OK. Not to say there's no bad areas, but the "bad" area is smaller and not as bad as many other cities, Nashville certainly included.
 

tico brown

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There's a ton of luxury apartments even in Greenville (esp if we're counting the West Side part of it) and Bergen-Lafayette these days.
Forgot about Communipaw area and some spots coming up Montgomery towards Bergen. And you’re right about the buildings coming up on West Side by NJCU. I’ll give you that. Help me out where in Greenville? Maybe a couple of building coming up on Garfield/Winfield, among other spots here/there. Maybe our definitions of luxury is different.

There's also still a ton of room for development in DTJC.
If they knock down current buildings, sure. Not much free space down there that’s not under construction.

And, new developments are required to include affordable housing. Bayfront for one example will have like 30-40%.
It remains to be seen what Fulop’s/ City Hall’s definition of “affordable” will be at BAYFRONT and other spots. New 2 families popped up on Linden/Ocean. Can’t confirm but Heard it was $2500/month. There’s rebuilt studios, 1BRs on Cator/Ocean that’s really REAAALLY small starting at $1300. Can’t wait to see how much future apartments will cost on Danforth/Blvd, or esp on the lot next to Danforth Ave light rail.
 
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1. Montgomery area around St. Peter's including south of Montgomery which would probably be the dividing line...I know there's a ton of projects around that area as well as by each HBLR station.

2. North of the tunnel and area around 78 through down to Grand St there is a lot. Bright St redevlopment is one.

3. It's all relative but even in the Mt Laurel decision it's based on area income...so yes, income if you're looking at either Hudson County or JC, income is definitely up and there is a big influx of NYers. But in JC and Hoboken, you also have them redoing many low income projects and adding in a luxury component, like Holland Gardens. So there's a big benefit there as well.
 
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You should realize by now that when I post a fact it is a fact that is easily verifiable. You look foolish now. Just look at the red vs blue mayors in this list..
Hahaha! I look foolish? Contreir Mon frere, it is YOU who looks like the fool. There has been ONE Republican Mayor since 1990. Atlantic City, Despite having tax revenue from gambling and Hotel occupancy still has somehow become a ******** again in the 30 years that DEMOCRATS have been running it. I have said it many, many times. Democrats destroy everything they touch! We do not have to look any further than NYC. Under generational democratic rule NYC became a ******** city through the 1960's through the 1980's. Republican Rudolf Giuliani turned the city completely around in two terms. Republican Michael Bloomberg, kept upon the success that Giuliani had built for another three terms. Then In less than two terms, Democrat Bill DeBlasio has turned NYC back into a ******** city again with high crime rates, Trash everywhere, homeless and metal patients running around the streets and people fearing for their lives just for being out in the city.
 

BigWill

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Atlantic City was filmed/produced in a studio constructed on the site of the old Brooklyn Navy Yard.
 

NickKnight 1

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I don't understand the politics of it all. Can someone explain to me- why hasn't the State of NJ stepped in? The conditions and the waste that AC has become, is hard understand. It's seems it would be better for the state, if AC thrived.. I dont get it
Chris Christie
stepped in took over and put Alantic Citi on the right track then the Dems came back and
we started to falter again
 
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Took the family Monday and survived. Nice day. Long walk on boards. Steel pier for rides. Rita’s. Knife and fork for dinner. Tropicana overnight. White House subs on way out. Kids liked it (B15 G11). Felt mostly safe.

How was the Tropicana?
Staying there next weekend.
 
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