I can't wait for humans to blend so much that we are all some shade of tan. That seems to be the only way we'll get past our complicated history.
Sad. (Trump voice)
Sad. (Trump voice)
OT: Anthem demonstrations
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Okay, well thanks Hart... it just seemed to me like you were sort of jumping on me earlier when I was saying "Let's not start taking shots" (which seems like a sentiment most of us probably share) and then agreeing with Pis when he was going after me a bit about thinking everyone I disagree with is wrong (which really irks me, because I totally believe in the value and fun of disagreement) and it just seemed out of nowhere, given that I don't think you and I have ever really had any problems or issues or disagreements that I can remember. It just felt rather out of the blue and caught me a bit off guard... sort of hurt my feelings
For all of the posts allowed (which is far more than I suspected at the outset of this discussion), there seems to be a preference here for maintaining the status quo at whatever cost to reasonableness. If you're liberal you must have an agenda, but never mind exploring what that is. Let's just assume it's suspect seems to go the commentary.
It's just very curious to me that some treat such an agenda as being some invidious attack on their way of life when in actuality it's far less self-serving than, say, maintaining a stance just for the sake of being able to feel comfortable in whatever it is you already believe. I just don't get why there's this perceived threat coming from people who, regardless of how they're cast politically (which is often reductive on its face) seem to genuinely want the world to be better. Why is that so hard to stomach? I'm honestly interested to know.
Why are some so short on empathy, curiosity, and open-mindedness? I understand the discomfort in having one's views challenged but there's also a lot of value in deeply exploring an issue and making a sincere effort at understanding an opposing viewpoint, even if (or sometimes especially because) you come out thinking and feeling differently afterwards.
Discrediting someone for being liberal without any real attention to the arguments they make or offering any real talking points about why being liberal is somehow faulty is as counterintuitive as labeling conservatives as racist, greedy, narrow-minded, and out of touch. It's just hollow.
Lol lol lol lol I'm not driving the post I responded don't show up on a thread like this if you've never posted
(Sorry, I edited after you hit quote. I do that a lot
Wait I don't get a thanks a lot? Geeeeeezzz
Hey guys, why don't we all just end this discussion. It's been good, but there's really no more that can be added. We are all fortunate as well. It could be worse for all of us.
What if you were related to Guru Gary?
What if you were related to Guru Gary?
Whatever the mods want... I enjoy this sort of discussion, to be honest
Certainly...it went a lot better than others of similar substance...though I'm not sure any minds were changed or even affected in any meaningful way.
I've noticed that, generally, the discussions on this forum are far better and more civil than the ones on the national forum.
Why should i stand for a flag when during its inception i was considered property? The song it self talks about the slaughter of free slaves. How are Black people who protest disrespecting the military when they have ancestors who have fought and died in EVERY American war? Most have current members in their families, this argument is stupid. In reality if Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, and Adams were alive today they would all be f*cking pissed off about what America is today. America was built by slaves for White men. Period. So called African-American, Black, Negro, and Colored were NEVER suppose to be apart of American culture like they are now. How many groups of people on this earth have 4-5 names they have been called throughout history? Exactly. But that is off topic and another subject entirely.
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The song actually talks about Germans that were sent to fight for the British during the revolutionary war not African slaves. Fun fact some of my ancestors were sent here from Germany during that time and abandoned the British to fight for America.
I found this, from 2008, right after Obama's election. Other stuff was about him, not by him. Did you have anything in particular in mind?
I can't wait for that either. I wouldn't wish my pastiness on anyone.
Hahahaha that was good!
Revisionist history.
3rd stanza:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth waveO’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
^could not save the hireling and SLAVE. not Germans. "..................................."
3rd stanza:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth waveO’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
^could not save the hireling and SLAVE. not Germans. "..................................."
the hireling may be German, but slave and the delight in their demise pretty much there and this was written in 1814...guess that sums it up?
Unless we all look just alike we will find some way to be prejudice . It's the natural man in us. If you really look into it we are all minority's in some way. Yes some are more persecuted than others but all people in some ways are different than others may it be their religion, their education, their ethnic background, their political believes, the size of their body, bullies, those that were bullied, the way we speak, the different way we speak english, ( I'm from the south and have a drawl and have been made fun of because of it because to some I sound ignorant but to me folks from other parts of the country sound odd.) I don't think they are ignorant though. What does this have to do with Anthem demonstrations or will it make a difference and solve the problem? Of course not. Nothing has changed. Innocent people are still dying by bad cops. People who think they are safe in a church are still dying. Our troops are still dying and the main stream media is feeding the fire and it is out of control. I'm not saying this will work but what if we do what we do here when another poster is just too much to deal with we ignore them. It's going top be hard to ignore the main stream media. Even though I don't watch the news anymore I see all I want to see on social media. I'm telling you guys if we don't get our act together the world as we know it is going to have to change or we won't be here. Yeah I Dsouthed this one. Sorry. My last post on this thread other than likes that I agree with from some of you. OFC
Bull hockey! But go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Your facts are unsourced and usually wrong or are based on revisionist history or are presented out of context because you are not capable of debating honestly. By the way, having a Duke education may make you educated but it does not make you smart.That's particularly funny, because I probably post more actual facts and studies and stats than anyone else in any of these political discussions
Many historians say....
"They say it echoes similar rhetoric used since the Revolutionary War to describe the forces of the king of England, especially those units purchased from German princes. American writers contrasted these miserable hirelings and slaves with the virtuous all-volunteer citizen armies of America."
That's from PRI. Also some agree with you but that it's about slaves that turn on America and fight with the British so there is arguments both ways
I have to say, whether some football players stand for the national anthem is so unimportant to me, if the media didn't make it a big deal none of us would notice or care. It's like religion, I have mine and I don't impose it on others nor do I want others to impose theirs (or lack of one) on me. If someone else said this, I apologize, I didn't read a couple pages of messages.
Imagine a world in which Pisgah and Swervin' were forced to just sit and eat dinner with each once a week. I wish we all got those opportunities more. It might help get us understand why we're all the way we are. Most disagreements are a matter of perspective. No one wants to feel afraid or cheated or hopeless. It's a start to understand why others feel these emotions.
You forgot to mention that good cops are still being murdered by bad people and that without the police we, black and white, would all be in grave danger. The number of murders of innocent people by the police is a fraction of a percent of all murders and while regrettable is not nearly as widespread a phenomenon as the media and Black Lives Matter would like us to believe.
Yes because I am the racist here so u use me as an example. If you stand up for the flag your racist. I feel the same about anyone who will disrespect my country and flag. I don't care if you're white black red yellow dont matter to me one bit. And if you respect my country we have no prob. If swervin wants to have a nice dinner I'll be more than happy but if he spewed his hate of my home I'd break his nose. And I don't mean that as a "threat" I mean that as that's how strongly I love my country. There's three things in this passionate about and that's Jesus, my family and America and this issue has struck a cord with me. I would give my life for those three things and those three things alone
I'm just curious, but what do the protesters expect the police to do?
Are they supposed to turn and look away if they encounter a criminal act or feel threatened by the person they pull over? I've been pulled over several times and I'm as polite to the police officer as I can be. I see some of the videos posted and the officers are being attacked verbally.
I also wonder how many of those protesting police brutality would be willing to be police officers? All professions have people that make mistakes, when an officer does something criminal he/she should be prosecuted.
Are they supposed to turn and look away if they encounter a criminal act or feel threatened by the person they pull over? I've been pulled over several times and I'm as polite to the police officer as I can be. I see some of the videos posted and the officers are being attacked verbally.
I also wonder how many of those protesting police brutality would be willing to be police officers? All professions have people that make mistakes, when an officer does something criminal he/she should be prosecuted.
Liar.
And because I want to make you look like the liar you are... let's look at what I posted in this thread!
"Blacks are convicted at much higher rates than whites in similar circumstances..."
https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/2170-new-study-by-professor-david-s-abrams-confirms
"...blacks are given more jail time than whites in similar circumstances..."
http://projects.heraldtribune.com/bias/sentencing/
"...black soldiers are disciplined by our military justice system at a much higher rate than white soldiers..."
http://www.protectourdefenders.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Report_20.pdf
"...stats like a doubling of the DOW to record highs..."
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/10/investing/obama-stock-market-trump/index.html
"...the preservation of the American auto industry..."
http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/...aving-auto-industry-president-obama/96797256/
"...a return of housing values..."
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2015/10/28/obama-economy-10-charts/8.html
"...tens of millions of Americans getting health insurance..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/health/obamacare-health-insurance-numbers-nchs.html
"... oh, and the killing of this guy named Osama
"https://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2012/11/inside-osama-bin-laden-assassination-plot
"But when you name someone THE WORST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME, a guy who was president ...when unemployment halved..."
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
"George Bush was President and CiC when we suffered the worst attack on the homeland since Pearl Harbor and was President during the worst economic collapse since the Depression."
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,120133,00.html
And
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/apr/10/useconomy.subprimecrisis
"Nixon was CERTAINLY smart and capable and had a lot of positives... but there was a lot of negative coming out there too."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://www.usnews.com/news/special...2/17/worst-presidents-richard-nixon-1969-1974
So. As I said. Liar.
And that tired attempt, "You were smart and hard working enough to get into one of the best colleges in the world, a college I am supposedly a fan of, but that doesn't mean you are smart!" is the pathetic bastion of people who are insecure and weak.
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We could not sit and eat i would def beat him up for that Africa comment. 32 no kids and i dont play games. I got bond money.
I really, really, really want to highlight this post (and a couple more.)
Our message board (the national board more so than the Duke board, but...) is overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly white. Like, overwhelmingly so.
We might have posters on the left and right, but generally it's a bunch of white guys discussing race.
I really really really recommend people take special note of the posts from black posters. Not that you have to agree, honestly... but it would benefit the entire conversation if we all digest the input from black posters as genuine and heartfelt and from an entirely different life experience in our country, and try to understand where it comes from and address it... frankly, there isn't enough input from black posters in these discussions.
Yeah, there was another piece he wrote, about his life... I can't remember where I saw it. And he also did a video interview, but I don't remember where for
. If I can find them, I'll link themLove Shane. Favorite Duke player of all time, a hair above Grant.
I wasn't scared until he brought up Jesus. It's not YOUR country bud. And if you want to give your life....step right up. I aint backing down from what I believe in.
I found this and it very similar to my Youth. I found that people always tried to put me in whatever box they thought I would fit in based on my skin color. But it was hardly ever true. I was one of the only black kids in the AP courses, I was a division 1 athlete, and felt like I got along well socially. But I was always different...from just about everybody. What made the biggest difference in my life? How was I able to get by? Sports and money. My parents were divorced from the time I was very young. My mother was very poor for as long as I can remember, but my father was an airline captain and I had every opportunity that I needed to excel. On top of that, I was very good athlete and was able to get a scholarship to college. I have tiptoed back and forth between black and white, rich and poor, happy and sad my whole life. Those of you that are making negative assumptions on People based on skin color, white or black, are embarrassments. I have no problem saying that to any of you. I know I'm rambling a bit but I get super emotional about this stuff
Growing up in an area that was 95% or more black, and me being mostly white, I don't need you to explain anything to me about hate - I've felt it myself, daily, and have the fighting experience and scars to prove it.
Where did you grow up? I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't go the other way, it is just much less common considering most races congregate together. I was the opposite. The only black family in the neighborhood. An old lady drove her car up my driveway while my dad was doing the grass and ask him to go to the liquor store for her because she thought he was the yard boy. I would get accused of stealing s*** in the neighborhood all of the time.
I know I said no more post on this thread but I need to clear this up.I meant to say something about that but didn't. You are correct on that. Sorry about that.OFC
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