OT: Another public shooting

[SwatX1]

my God. What is wrong with people? I haven't read a lot on it yet but appears 4 killed and more injured

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/madden-19-jacksonville-shooting/index.html

 

[SwatX1]

There's a video that captures audio of the shots and you can hear people screaming. It really sucks that there are these kinds of people in the world

 

[skysdad]

Looks like another one to blame on guns. Why don't put the blame where it belongs. On sick and evil people. The shooter committed suicide.Coward. OFC

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

The vast majority of shootings happen in public.

 

[jchammock]

The vast majority of shootings happen in public.

No, most gun deaths are in gun free zones or Democratic ran cities with heavily regulated anti gun laws.

 

[sheyduke]

No, most gun deaths are in gun free zones or Democratic ran cities with heavily regulated anti gun laws.

I agree with this. People are people. I’m gonna leave it at this, people do what they want or intend to do no matter what laws and regulations are in place.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

No, most gun deaths are in gun free zones or Democratic ran cities with heavily regulated anti gun laws.

But that doesn't mean that I was wrong.

 

[dukebluesTX]

No, most gun deaths are in gun free zones or Democratic ran cities with heavily regulated anti gun laws.

That is true. And another common denominator is these people tend to be loners with few if any social skills or friends. Per what I have read, that is the case here. Keep your eye out for the loners, those weirdos can snap. I would argue the internet and video games also have made it worse in the last 20 years.

 

[TheDude1]

No, most gun deaths are in gun free zones or Democratic ran cities with heavily regulated anti gun laws.

Hm, here is the thing... gun laws are by state, and when i look at this link from business weekly...

https://www.businessinsider.com/where-americans-most-likely-die-gun-shots-las-vegas-shooting-2017-10

...it actually looks like places with the highest number of gun deaths per 100,000 people are usually the states with more relaxed gun laws... basically the south and the middle of the country... like, red states. Just saying.

 

[dukebluesTX]

Hm, here is the thing... gun laws are by state, and when i look at this link from business weekly...

https://www.businessinsider.com/where-americans-most-likely-die-gun-shots-las-vegas-shooting-2017-10

...it actually looks like places with the highest number of gun deaths per 100,000 people are usually the states with lax gun laws... basically the south and the middle of the country... like, red states. Just saying.

Ever been to the ghetto in Chicago or Baltimore? BTW, the killer was from Baltimore..... I'm telling you guys, these loner types just like this dumbazz are the dangerous ones. No friends, no getting laid, nothing but sitting around playing video games like a bunch of losers.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Ever been to the ghetto in Chicago or Baltimore? BTW, the killer was from Baltimore..... I'm telling you guys, these loner types just like this dumbazz are the dangerous ones. No friends, no getting laid, nothing but sitting around playing video games like a bunch of losers.

So why not make it harder for people like this guy to get a gun?

 

[TheDude1]

Ever been to the ghetto in Chicago or Baltimore? BTW, the killer was from Baltimore..... I'm telling you guys, these loner types just like this dumbazz are the dangerous ones. No friends, no getting laid, nothing but sitting around playing video games like a bunch of losers.

Well yeah, crime ridden poverty ridden slums are dangerous. No kidding. End of the day, someone started posting about where you are more likely to be shot... facts say it’s states with lax gun laws. Just saying. This isn’t a crazy idea... the more guns you have in a population, the more shootings you’ll have. It’s sort of common sense. More cars = more car crashes, more boats = more boat accidents, more guns = more people getting shot.

And the killer was a video game playing kid. When you say “well, it’s Baltimore!” you usually mean Body or Marlo.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Well yeah, crime ridden poverty ridden slums are dangerous. No kidding. End of the day, someone started posting about where you are more likely to be shot... facts say it’s states with lax gun laws. Just saying. This isn’t a crazy idea... the more guns you have in a population, the more shootings you’ll have. It’s sort of common sense. More cars = more car crashes, more boats = more boat accidents, more guns = more people getting shot.

And the killer was a video game playing kid. When you say “well, it’s Baltimore!” you usually mean Body or Marlo.

A few hundred years from now, people will study history and be totally bewildered apthst we allowed gun ownership as we do currently. When the constitution was written, a musket was valuable to guard the home, hunt, and protect against a tyrannical government. Today, we have Whole Foods, Harris Teeter, and Wal-Mart on every corner. All your guns won’t do **** against an Apache Helicopter. There are roughly as many guns as there are people in the US, right?

 

[skysdad]

So why not make it harder for people like this guy to get a gun?

Because it's not hard to buy a gun. When I was thinking about getting my gun several people told me they could get me one illegally without having it registered. If I remember correctly the price was better than gun dealers. That told me something. They were probably stolen. Regardless if someone wants a gun bad enough it doesn't matter how hard or how long the background check takes. Go to the right person hart and you can buy you a illegal gun that you do not have to register or have a permit and you can have it tomorrow. I also feel that these anti-gun folks actually have their own guns whether they bought it legally or bought it without a permit or have it registered. A couple of our former P.O.T.
U.S. have expressed their feelings about having stronger gun laws or making this country gun free. That's easy for them to say because they are protected from harm's way and from people who want to kill them. . Who protects you and me ticket from those type of people? OFC

 

[dukebluesTX]

So why not make it harder for people like this guy to get a gun?

The fact is, the next time someone breaks into your house with anything (a gun, a knife, whatever), good luck telling the bad guy "hold on a moment while I call the cops and you know what else, give me 40 minutes before you kill me and my family." Making it harder for nut jobs to buy guns is great, just don't make it harder for those of us who want to protect our families to do that. There are a lot of freaks out there like this nut or the illegal alien who killed that girl in Iowa recently; and I would rather have the option to protect myself and my family from these a**holes.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Because it's not hard to buy a gun. When I was thinking about getting my gun several people told me they could get me one illegally without having it registered. If I remember correctly the price was better than gun dealers. That told me something. They were probably stolen. Regardless if someone wants a gun bad enough it doesn't matter how hard or how long the background check takes. Go to the right person hart and you can buy you a illegal gun that you do not have to register or have a permit and you can have it tomorrow. I also feel that these anti-gun folks actually have their own guns whether they bought it legally or bought it without a permit or have it registered. A couple of our former P.O.U.S. have expressed their feelings about having stronger gun laws or making this country gun free. That's easy for them to say because they are protected from harm's way and from people who want to kill them. . Who protects you and me hart from those type of people? OFC

So let’s create a gun registry. We have to put a vin on cars and title them with a local office. Why can’t we do that with guns? We can track cellphones. Why can’t we do that with guns? All guns must be registered and kept up to date. Having an unregistered gun would be a felony.

Would it solve all gun crime? No. But it would be a start.

 

[ticket2ride04]

The fact is, the next time someone breaks into your house with anything (a gun, a knife, whatever), good luck telling the bad guy "hold on a moment while I call the cops and you know what else, give me 40 minutes before you kill me and my family." Making it harder for nut jobs to buy guns is great, just don't make it harder for those of us who want to protect our families to do that. There are a lot of freaks out there like this nut or the illegal alien who killed that girl in Iowa recently; and I would rather have the option to protect myself and my family from these a**holes.

If you’re not insane, you’ve got nothing to worry about. But it’s entirely too easy to get guns in this country.

 

[skysdad]

So let’s create a gun registry. We have to put a vin on cars and title them with a local office. Why can’t we do that with guns? We can track cellphones. Why can’t we do that with guns? All guns must be registered and kept up to date. Having an unregistered gun would be a felony.

Would it solve all gun crime? No. But it would be a start.

All manufactured guns already have a serial number on them . All guns that are bought legally are registered. I can buy an illegal, unregistered gun tomorrow and go out and kill several people. So what good would having that illegal unregistered gun be a felony after I have committed the ultimate felony? OFC

 

[jchammock]

But that doesn't mean that I was wrong.

Not at all.

Well yeah, crime ridden poverty ridden slums are dangerous. No kidding. End of the day, someone started posting about where you are more likely to be shot... facts say it’s states with lax gun laws. Just saying. This isn’t a crazy idea... the more guns you have in a population, the more shootings you’ll have. It’s sort of common sense. More cars = more car crashes, more boats = more boat accidents, more guns = more people getting shot.

And the killer was a video game playing kid. When you say “well, it’s Baltimore!” you usually mean Body or Marlo.

completely false. It’s not even close.

The highest gun crimes and gun murders are in Democratic ran cities which also don’t do anything to help minorities. You know what else there is in these Democratic ran cities, the strictest gun laws.

You want to know why there’s so much crime and murder in those cities? Because they took the right away from the law abiding citizens to protect themselves with a gun. But criminals will always have them.

Guess what party runs all these high crime and murder rates.

Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC, Memphis, All of California, etc...

All Democrats!!!!!

You want to know all the places that are low on crime and murder, the ones that have lax gun laws as you spoke of. See, a law abiding citizen that goes through the whole process of buying a gun legally has no intent of crime. Criminals buy theirs off the street. And criminals will “ALWAYS” have guns.

Everything you said is completely false.

It’s not hard to look up the truth. The statistics speek for themselves.

In the United States it’s reported that there is around 34,000 gun related deaths a year. 20,000 are suicides. So that leaves 14,000 gun related “homicides”.

300 are from a rifle. So the whole AR-15 assault crap is out the window. Almost every homicide is from a handgun. And every person that commits a homicide is evil. Good people don’t kill people. I’m 47, me, my wife, my son, and his girlfriend have concealed permits. Both of my daughters have shot pistols, rifles, and shotguns. Not one of our guns has just wondered off and shot someone. Guns don’t kill people.

Democratic stranglehold cities on strict gun laws kill good people.

 

[skysdad]

Remember what happened in Germany when Hitler took private citizens guns. OFC

 

[jchammock]

A few hundred years from now, people will study history and be totally bewildered apthst we allowed gun ownership as we do currently. When the constitution was written, a musket was valuable to guard the home, hunt, and protect against a tyrannical government. Today, we have Whole Foods, Harris Teeter, and Wal-Mart on every corner. All your guns won’t do **** against an Apache Helicopter. There are roughly as many guns as there are people in the US, right?

I call BS again. Check history. The musket wasn’t the only gun around when we fought the British and gained independence. There were semi automati weapons, etc.... try looking at Steven Crowders video of the myth of just muskets, that’s completely false. Heck, the U.S. even allowed canons on peoples ships to protect themselves.

 

[ticket2ride04]

All manufactured guns already have a serial number on them . All guns that are bought legally are registered. I can buy an illegal, unregistered gun tomorrow and go out and kill several people. So what good would having that illegal unregistered gun be a felony after I have committed the ultimate felony? OFC

1. There is not a comprehensive database akin to the DMV. We aren’t paying attention to the guns once that are sold second hand. I can buy a new car and sell it to you 5 years later, but it has to be a recorded transaction.

2. We aren’t making it unlawful to have unregistered guns. The laws wouldn’t curb a murder’s penchant for killing, but it might make the broker of illegal guns less likely to traffic them.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Remember what happened in Germany when Hitler took private citizens guns. OFC

If the government wants to come after your guns, you ain’t stopping a Sherman Tank, F-22, Apache Helicopter, or Drone Strike.


And no one is saying round up all the guns.

I call BS again. Check history. The musket wasn’t the only gun around when we fought the British and gained independence. There were semi automati weapons, etc.... try looking at Steven Crowders video of the myth of just muskets, that’s completely false. Heck, the U.S. even allowed canons on peoples ships to protect themselves.

What semi-automatic were people running around with in the 1770’s?

 

[jchammock]

Hm, here is the thing... gun laws are by state, and when i look at this link from business weekly...

https://www.businessinsider.com/where-americans-most-likely-die-gun-shots-las-vegas-shooting-2017-10

...it actually looks like places with the highest number of gun deaths per 100,000 people are usually the states with more relaxed gun laws... basically the south and the middle of the country... like, red states. Just saying.

Do me a favor and entertain me, name one southern Republican ran southern city that allows gun rights to be anywhere close to the crime ridden Democratic no gun cities.

Name just one.

Are you talking Memphis or Atlanta? Strict gun laws ran by Democrats.

Name just one!!!!

 

[jchammock]

If the government wants to come after your guns, you ain’t stopping a Sherman Tank, F-22, Apache Helicopter, or Drone Strike.do yourself a favor and educate yourself on guns.

Google, Steven Crowder debun


And no one is saying round up all the guns.



What semi-automatic were people running around with in the 1770’s?

If the government wants to come after your guns, you ain’t stopping a Sherman Tank, F-22, Apache Helicopter, or Drone Strike.


And no one is saying round up all the guns.



What semi-automatic were people running around with in the 1770’s?

do me a favor to educate yourself better on guns, google Steven Crowder on musket myths of being the only gun in the Revolutionary War.

There’s actual pictures and facts.

 

[ticket2ride04]

do me a favor to educate yourself better on guns, google Steven Crowder on musket myths of being the only gun in the Revolutionary War.

There’s actual pictures and facts.

How about you provide a link to your bold claim?

 

[Duke937]

Where I live in Ohio drugs are ridiculous. Montgomery County is one of the worst counties In the United States for drug related overdoses and deaths. Everyone knows somebody who has died from it.

I sure wish drugs were illegal to save lives.

That’s how stupid people sound when you want to take away guns. The bad, or sick people will find a fun if they want it. Just like the druggies will find there drugs.

Why take them away from the law obeying people because of some of the idiots out there?

 

[ticket2ride04]

Where I live in Ohio drugs are ridiculous. Montgomery County is one of the worst counties In the United States for drug related overdoses and deaths. Everyone knows somebody who has died from it.

I sure wish drugs were illegal to save lives.

That’s how stupid people sound when you want to take away guns. The bad, or sick people will find a fun if they want it. Just like the druggies will find there drugs.

Why take them away from the law obeying people because of some of the idiots out there?

So make all drugs legal?

 

[jchammock]

1. There is not a comprehensive database akin to the DMV. We aren’t paying attention to the guns once that are sold second hand. I can buy a new car and sell it to you 5 years later, but it has to be a recorded transaction.

2. We aren’t making it unlawful to have unregistered guns. The laws wouldn’t curb a murder’s penchant for killing, but it might make the broker of illegal guns less likely to traffic them.

And you actually can keep a straight face and tell me criminals are registering their guns and buying them legally?

LMMFAO

 

[jchammock]

So make all drugs legal?

Really?

Drugs are illegal. Guns are not to a law abiding citixen.

Jeez, your going out of your way to look worse every post.

 

[jchammock]

Remember what happened in Germany when Hitler took private citizens guns. OFC

Preach it brother but add in Russia, China, Cuba, Etc... over 100,000,000 murdered because they were unarmed.

I don’t laugh at this because I’m actually concearned with the younger generation.

They call Trump Hitler, but want a gun ban which gives all the power to the government in which are fore fathers made the second amendment for that soul purpose.

I don’t know what this worlds coming to. Hugeeeeeee Trump supporter though.

 

[jchammock]

1. There is not a comprehensive database akin to the DMV. We aren’t paying attention to the guns once that are sold second hand. I can buy a new car and sell it to you 5 years later, but it has to be a recorded transaction.

2. We aren’t making it unlawful to have unregistered guns. The laws wouldn’t curb a murder’s penchant for killing, but it might make the broker of illegal guns less likely to traffic them.

DMV????

Like the Department of Motor Vehicles??

That’s the most reliable source?

I would think DHS, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc...

But you got me on the DMV, that’s definitely the best source.

 

[jchammock]

If you’re not insane, you’ve got nothing to worry about. But it’s entirely too easy to get guns in this country.

BS again.

No felon can legally purchase a gun. Nobody with a mental disorder can legally buy a gun. A person with a domestic conviction can buy a gun legally. When you legally buy a gun your name is ran through the FBI database.

But do you know who can buy a gun easily? A criminal buying off the streets.

 

[dukehokie]

DMV????

Like the Department of Motor Vehicles??

That’s the most reliable source?

I would think DHS, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc...

But you got me on the DMV, that’s definitely the best source.

I’m pretty sore he was talking about setting up a database like the DMV. That would be a better solution than rounding up all the weapons.

 

[sheyduke]

I’ll add my two cents as someone who is both a gun collector and work law enforcement.

Living in North Carolina we are one of the most relaxed gun law states however to purchase one we have one of the best systems for documentation on owner purchase.

The issue with guns, gun laws and ammunition is that it’s the same as drugs. The more you put in place to restrict the purchase of firearms the more gun runners thrive off illegal arm sales.

Let’s say for instance states begin to make citizens get a psych evaluation prior to going n purchase that’s ( $275.00) minimum) then through in your permits cost and finger prints that’s an additional $60.00 that’s $335.00 before you even spend money on your actual pistol or rifle or shotgun. For $300.00 you can get a pistol off the streets with out the head ache and I can tell you more instants then less not to many firearm owners writedown, take pictures, or even keep receipts of their firearm purchase which contains the serial number. So with out that you can give the make and model but with out the serial number the gun never comes up stolen so in a right to carry state that gun bought of the street is still actually legal.

I’ll say this no one can predict an incident like these and if the suspect wants to do it he’s gonna do it anyway. No matter what laws are in place.

 

[sheyduke]

There are databases that track hand gun sales believe it or not .

Every FFL holder has to report to in during any firearm transaction

 

[TheDude1]

Two things.

First, talk all you want about “Democrat controlled cities”, even though gun laws are generally done by state, but in the end, this fact is simple:

The states with the least gun control....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/assault-weapons-laws/?utm_term=.3f24334fa845

... have the most gun violence.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nce-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

These facts are common sense... the more of something there is, the more it will be involved with stuff.

And you cannot say no law would have prevented this shooting, or any shooting. It is ENTIRELY possible in any case that stricter gun control laws would have frustrated a potential shooter enough that they may have tried to commit their acts with a different weapon. In fact, that is the basis of gun control laws. Obviously there is no getting rid of gun violence, or ANY violence; people are what they are. But those in favor of more gun control are in favor of such because if you enact a number of restrictions it is entirely possible that potential murderers (some of whom are not big planners, or capable thinkers, or wealthy, or etc etc) either use an entirely different weapon for their crime, or even use a less deadly gun for their crime. Of COURSE there will always be dedicated killers with access and money who will kill people, no matter what laws you put in place... but you hope that you can catch/minimize some of the cases with some changes in gun control laws. And the majority of Americans seem to support this concept:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-po...med-keep-guns-out-hands-dangerous-individuals

And no, people were not wandering around during the AWI with semi auto weapons, no matter what some Youtube video says. Sorry. It was the musket. That’s what the FF were familiar with, and thats what the second was about, maintaining the colonial laws that required all male colonists to own a weapon for militia service... remember Concord?

 

[Tlass]

God bless those families who lost their love ones to such a terrible incendent. My thought and prayes are with them as they try to make sense of things. We need to do better to protect innocent people against these wackos. I dont have the answers. But i sure am tired of reading and seeing these events on the news. Hug your love ones and tell them you love them everyday, you just never know what or how the day may unfold. I"m sending a LOVE shout out to every DI poster. Cherish today, and lets pray that tomorrow we get to do it again.

 

[TheDude1]

BTW, I didn't listen to the audio, but insane that it was being streamed on Twitch, and you can actually see the red dot dancing over one of the players chest and throat a second before he was killed With all of our cameras and iphones nowadays, these things are captured on film more and more often. Its terrible.

@sheyduke as a guy in law enforcement (cop?) what do you see as potential, realistic ways we can reduce shootings in the United States?

 

[ticket2ride04]

Jeez, your going out of your way to look worse every post.

Lot’s of irony here.

@jchammock I’m trying to have a legitimate conversation on how we can better address this problem. I am not, however, stating we should outlaw guns. You keep jumping from talking point to talking point and are clearly not reading what I am suggesting. This is why we can’t have gun discourse in this country. The moment you talk about changing anything, the cries of ‘take away our guns’ ramps up.

Same thing when it comes to addressing spending or healthcare. No one seems interested in having meaningful dialogue.