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jchammock

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TheDude1 said:
Nobody said gun owners are evil.

Your anecdote about yourself only counts for yourself.

Unfortunately there ARE many ill people out there, many evil people out there, many immature and out of control people out there, and one thing that some people DO say is that it might save American lives if we reduced access to some firearms.

That's it.
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Limit access firearms to whom?

Criminals?????????????????

You really think a criminal goes and buys their guns legally?

So if our country goes by what you want implemented the only people that are going to suffer is law abiding citizens. Well he**, that makes sense.

Going by the DHS that there are 35,000 gun related deaths a year. 20,000 are suicides.

They also acknowledge that there’s atleast 500,000 to 3,000,000 crimes stopped by gun owners.

At the least: 500,000 lives saved compared to 15,000 criminals commiting murder.

I’ll tell you something, math doesn’t lie. And most experts put the figure at 2,000,000. But I was being nice and giving you the lowest number.
 
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TheDude1 said:
Yes. The bolded exactly.

There IS a black market for licenses, although its about drinking.

And if it WAS harder to get licenses, there probably WOULD be a black market.

And while gun laws don't move the needle on hardened criminals, they MIGHT move the needle for some wacko video game player or cheated-on-spouse or any number of circumstances where a gun was an easier, and far deadlier, solution than other solutions.
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To your last paragraph, I don’t believe that. And as I stated, I feel gun laws are a nuisance to law abiding citizens only. Therefore, it’s not something I’ll personally support.

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How many Americans were killed this year by pipe bombs?

How many Americans were killed this year by guns?

Pipebombs are ALREADY available... if they were really so effective, they would be used more. They aren't. People don't road-rage pipebomb someone, people don't mug people with pipebombs, people don't break into houses with pipebombs, people don't kill their cheating spouse with pipebombs.
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I assure you that the only reason pipe bombs weren’t used last year to kill that many people is because they were able to get a gun. No guns = exponentially more pipe bombs.
 
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TheDude1 said:
Yes. The bolded exactly. You'd have fewer people with guns, so you would reduce the number of gun deaths (suicide, homicide, accidental.)

There IS a black market for licenses, although its about drinking.

And if it WAS harder to get licenses, there probably WOULD be a black market.

And while gun laws don't move the needle on hardened criminals, they MIGHT move the needle for some wacko video game player or cheated-on-spouse or any number of circumstances where a gun was an easier, and far deadlier, solution than other solutions.
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Now I can’t take you serious at all.

Wow, you think someone who cheated on a spouse doesn’t have the right to buy a gun? Holy sh**!!!!!

What about jay walking? How about a parking ticket? Speeding? You, are incredible. Please do not stop posting on this thread.
 
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jchammock

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TheDude1 said:
I have to say, as a gun owner myself, I am always amazed when fellow gun owners simultaneously A) refuse to acknowledge what an effective tool a gun is, while also B) refusing to give up said tool because they say it is the only real way to protect themselves and their loved ones from criminals and an overzealous government.

Its cognitive dissonance at its best:(
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Dude, the more you talk the silly you sound.

Of course a gun is effective. That’s why is law abiding citizens have them.

Go preach to the criminals that we’re defending ourselves from.

And please let us know their reaction.
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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jchammock said:
Now I can’t take you serious at all.

Wow, you think someone who cheated on a spouse doesn’t have the right to buy a gun? Holy sh**!!!!!

What about jay walking? How about a parking ticket? Speeding? You, are incredible. Please do not stop posting on this thread.
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I am throwing up a little right now. You are really going to make me defend @TheDude1 here?

I don't like his scenario because if someone wanted to buy a gun in the heat of the moment, they would likely buy it illegally to begin with.

But let's go with it for ***** and giggles. He never said that someone who cheated on a spouse didn't have the right to buy a gun. He just said that if they were to go purchase a gun and there were longer waiting periods to obtain them, perhaps they would have calmed down and not made such a poor decision after having time to reconsider their actions.

The other stuff is just silly.
 
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TheDude1 said:
No, not stupid, or impossible. I mean, I know you are sort of an over the top guy (as your fights with Mac make clear) but that’s just silly.

Okay, ED goes and kills someone. But what about “LU” who finds that his wife is cheating on him, runs out to the gun store to get a gun, and is told “Sorry, there is a wait time.” He then calms down, realizes what he was going to do, and decides just to divorce her.

If we are going to invent stories, why not invent for both sides?

And man, that Uncle Mike... that’s one irresponsible gun owner.



Yeah, it’s clearly a lot about socioeconomic status, but that seems a bit beyond the scope of this discussion, to be frank... this whole thing started with a guy blaming Democrats who run cities, and we are still trying to evaluate “If you believe in gun control you are an idiot who doesn’t deserve to be free” ;)
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Well, the REAL issue in gun debates is out now, this thread just as all conversations on the topic, end this very way, a bunch of people going in 30 different directions who don't know a damn thing about firearms.
 
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I'm "over the top" because I don't believe you can tell a guy he can't have a gun, then , he goes and get's one? Think McFly.
 
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Thedude is a gun owner?!?! Man I can’t believe you’re for all this then cuz I’m pretty sure yours would be taken. And @LetsGoDuke301 dont be too triggered by my new avatar! I love what they are!
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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pisgah101 said:
Thedude is a gun owner?!?! Man I can’t believe you’re for all this then cuz I’m pretty sure yours would be taken. And @LetsGoDuke301 dont be too triggered by my new avatar! I love what they are!
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It doesn't trigger me brother. It just makes you look like a puppet. And I mean that in the friendliest way possible. You and I agree on a lot, just not this one. I hate political lobbyists. Get rid of them and term limits, then maybe our elected officials will start acting like they were elected to serve us and not themselves.
 
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LetsGoDuke301 said:
It doesn't trigger me brother. It just makes you look like a puppet. And I mean that in the friendliest way possible. You and I agree on a lot, just not this one. I hate political lobbyists. Get rid of them and term limits, then maybe our elected officials will start acting like they were elected to serve us and not themselves.
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I agree with all of that. But it will never happen. Never. Never ever. So if there is going to always be corruption in politics, I have to pick the corruption that serves me best. And that’s what I do.
 
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jchammock said:
Before it’s locked, love ya brother. I got three kids and three grandchildren, I’m lawfully concealed and will protect all. Even people I don’t know.
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Holy cow. You’re 47 and have 3 grandchildren? Y’all start early in Kentucky, eh?
 
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Let me put it this way. If by some chance I encounter someone with a gun who is going to shoot me or a loved one and I happen to have my gun drawn and bee lined straight to his heart I feel a lot better about my chances. Even if I decide to wear my gun western style with a holster and strap out in public which is permissible where I live except in buildings that have the crossed out gun I feel pretty good no one is going to bother me. No one may want to talk to me or be around me but I feel secure. Please no Wyatt Earp or Johnny Ringo jokes. OFC
 
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skysdad said:
Let me put it this way. If by some chance I encounter someone with a gun who is going to shoot me or a loved one and I happen to have my gun drawn and bee lined straight to his heart I feel a lot better about my chances. Even if I decide to wear my gun western style with a holster and strap out in public which is permissible where I live except in buildings that have the crossed out gun I feel pretty good no one is going to bother me. No one may want to talk to me or be around me but I feel secure. Please no Wyatt Earp or Johnny Ringo jokes. OFC
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Don't think anyone will disagree with you there.

but maybe you wouldn't be in that position had the law kept the gun out of the hands of the perp

I am just kidding. I agree with you.
 
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dukehokie

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Alright, good show everyone. I think this one is officially done. It didn’t get as nasty as some of these get so kudos.:D
 
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