OSU Invitational 11/1/26
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Wish I could have been there! I do want to say there's probably not a Cowboy fan that doesn't want Dee to succeed. Heck other fanbases are pulling for Dee too from what I can tell. But performatively stalling and arguing with refs is not a good look.
I agree that neither guy is anywhere close to a lock for a top 5 finish. I am not sure that you gain a lot by swapping Facundo for Swiderski/Dee at 165. It seems like Facundo thinks 174 is the best place for him to break into the lineup, which tells you something. Based on what I saw yesterday, I'd roll with Swiderski at 165 and go with either Ryder or Norman at 174.
We have a lot of solid options at 165 and 174. I am not yet convinced any of them are great options.
Really hard to guess. I would think 3-4,000 as people kept trickling in all afternoon. The curtains were down on the upper level but they started raising them by mid afternoon.
Casey was booed and heckled by some of our owns fans this past year, especially in the beginning. He earned a lot of their respect and admiration with his finish down the stretch and the way the staff and his teammates glowed about him.
Dee hasn’t done any of the above. He looks disinterested at times, looks like he is lazy, looks like he has constant gas tank issues and takes forever to get back to the middle (his coaches yelled at him for that several times last year). You add all that with some celebrations that were ill timed and your own fans are at best skeptical of you.
I agree and don’t like the booing but he has set his own table in some respects here.
I've probably been Casey's biggest defender on this board. I hated when our fanbase turned on Casey last year and I hate to see them boo Dee. I think Dee has some things he needs to figure out and work on. I get being frustrated. I don't get booing him in a ranking match.
I think its ironic because it took Casey five years of college and a transfer to get to this point. He had a lot of growing to do. He was an ubber recruit who didn't live up to the hype, could not generate offense, and consistently was doing dumb stuff on the mat (remember we all hated the guy).
Now he is an integral leader on our team who everyone loves. Dee has some growing up to do. I think Casey is a perfect example of not giving up on a kid doing that.
Dee has more than earned the boos.
The antics, the stalling, the complaining, the lack of effort - getting gassed??? It's shenanigans, it's beneath his talent and the work the people in the program do.
And guess what? He's getting paid. He's not some poor college kid.
We keep saying that the crowd booed Dee, but they were really booing the ref for not calling a well-deserved stall point and booing the operators for their inability to figure out the clock. It's not like they booed Dee during his intro song. Let's not be over dramatic about it.
The coaches were very disappointed that our fans booed D. Just could not understand any scenario where our own fans would be one of our guys
I'm disappointed that our coaches haven't forced any changes in Dee's wrestling. We all see it, but we don't see any changes. At some point that's on the coaches.
Never heard of anyone being booed at a fundraiser this is a first
Huh? This wasn’t a Tuesday roll around practice. These matches counted for seeding, college records, and while I’m sure not the only factor for who starts this year were a contributing factor. I hated that he was good but don’tpretend this was ”just a fundraiser” all these guys wanted it, probably more than they would have “in the room”Never heard of anyone being booed at a fundraiser this is a first
After the rule change a couple years ago we still have 3 undefeated 165’s because matches against teammates don’t count towards their record.
I think the objective person would say...neither did much in this match ! Yes, Casey took the final shot and won himself the match. But the reality is both did a whole lot of nothing for nearly 10 minutes...so I can't subscribe to one person wrestling much different here. This 165lb casey was not who we saw in the NCAA match against Van Ness.
My opinion the fans were expecting more from Dee this year . I think fans thought last year he was a true freshman we will give him another chance. And as the match went on Dee started doing what he did last year and that upset some fans . And his opponent is Casey who does everything 110%. So after hearing what happened I wasn't surprised. I guess anything can happen at a fundraiser 
That is actually what I think. Fans and I guess donors that paid for tickets to the fundraiser expect the World caliber guy to emerge.My opinion the fans were expecting more from Dee this year . I think fans thought last year he was a true freshman we will give him another chance. And as the match went on Dee started doing what he did last year and that upset some fans . And his opponent is Casey who does everything 110%. So after hearing what happened I wasn't surprised. I guess anything can happen at a fundraiser
He didn't, and he is doing the same game he did last year. This match, with the familiarity also had more extra-curricular and emotion than normal and the vocal portion of the crowd took the side of Casey. Dee now seems to hold the moniker that he is lazy, flamboyant and has gas tank issues. The crowd let him hear their opinions.
So, much of the fanbase has no clue that he does have none of those issues except for a tad flamboyant...which is okay if you are putting on a show. I don't think they gave Casey enough credit for Wrestling a match the way he could beat a superior athlete and Dee didn't get enough credit to what his opponent was doing. I actually think Casey may be one of the best hand-fighters in the weight...which is hard to determine with no metrics to read.
This is kind of my point. Casey did a bunch of nothing and then goes all out at the end. He falls in that trap frequently. Now hats off to him. He went and got the TD but Casey can be pretty passive during matches until the end.
Man. Dee brought this on himself and I'm glad the crowd turned on him.
He's capable of so much more and refuses to do ANY of it. He's in control of his effort, gas tank and willingness to attack. It's just sad really.
He's capable of so much more and refuses to do ANY of it. He's in control of his effort, gas tank and willingness to attack. It's just sad really.
I think many OSU wrestling fans are very tied into the program and all you have heard from other coaches and wrestlers is how good of a leader Swid is, how hard he works, etc and that has also paid off for him as far as perception.
You haven’t heard those same things about Dee so there isn’t any counter to what they saw most of last year and then saw again on Sunday.
Its maddening to fans that understand how much talent Dee has. Where is the Dee from NDI last year? Something changed along the way. The B12s he was hard to watch last season and then came up short at NCAAs. You would think after getting rolled through and pinned in Cleveland he would have learned to keep wrestling til the whistle but Sunday showed different.
165 is a huge piece of the team title puzzle. Knowing this I watched Dee very closely every match. In his early matches he was hand fighting, holding center and looking to attack. Granted his opponents weren't much but I liked what I saw until about 4 mins in. Halfway thru the second he hits the knee and end of the period he's still pretty much there and crawls to the center after choosing bottom. He still scored points in those matches because his opponents weren't much but he slowed WAY down. So it "appears" thats where he is shape wise currently.
As far as the boos I didnt react to either guy during the match. I just watched but I did jump up on the late td. I could list everything that Dee does that drives us all crazy but theres no need. I will say that if one of our guys is wrestling someone (not a teammate) in a big match and their opponent does what Dee does consistently the roof would come off the place. So in a way I understand why some people boo'd him. That style is not a great way to rep the Orange, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with how many points are scored, lots of past Cowboy greats weren't prolific scorers. Its all the other stuff.
No clue how the weight shakes out but with 2 good opponents in LJ Arujua and Nicco Ruiz in the near future we'll know about where we are.
Side note: I still think Alex dropping would be a great option if he can make 65. . The dude looked great. He's in great shape and he attacks and at least Sunday he was finishing nearly everything.
141: Kyler Larkin is going 41 instead of 49 and then you have Consiglio from stanford. 2 good tests for Raney and or maybe Jamison.
174: you have Minto and Larkin and Garvin coming up. Do Alex and Lorenzo split matches?
184: Flo has Lucas Cochran from Neb ranked 15th and Stanfords Slava Shahbazyan ranked 12th. Will we only see Mikey?
Plenty of tests ahead. November is crammed full of great to insane match ups for the Cowboys. Nearly every weight will see at least 2 top 10 opponents this month.
165 is a huge piece of the team title puzzle. Knowing this I watched Dee very closely every match. In his early matches he was hand fighting, holding center and looking to attack. Granted his opponents weren't much but I liked what I saw until about 4 mins in. Halfway thru the second he hits the knee and end of the period he's still pretty much there and crawls to the center after choosing bottom. He still scored points in those matches because his opponents weren't much but he slowed WAY down. So it "appears" thats where he is shape wise currently.
As far as the boos I didnt react to either guy during the match. I just watched but I did jump up on the late td. I could list everything that Dee does that drives us all crazy but theres no need. I will say that if one of our guys is wrestling someone (not a teammate) in a big match and their opponent does what Dee does consistently the roof would come off the place. So in a way I understand why some people boo'd him. That style is not a great way to rep the Orange, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with how many points are scored, lots of past Cowboy greats weren't prolific scorers. Its all the other stuff.
No clue how the weight shakes out but with 2 good opponents in LJ Arujua and Nicco Ruiz in the near future we'll know about where we are.
Side note: I still think Alex dropping would be a great option if he can make 65. . The dude looked great. He's in great shape and he attacks and at least Sunday he was finishing nearly everything.
141: Kyler Larkin is going 41 instead of 49 and then you have Consiglio from stanford. 2 good tests for Raney and or maybe Jamison.
174: you have Minto and Larkin and Garvin coming up. Do Alex and Lorenzo split matches?
184: Flo has Lucas Cochran from Neb ranked 15th and Stanfords Slava Shahbazyan ranked 12th. Will we only see Mikey?
Plenty of tests ahead. November is crammed full of great to insane match ups for the Cowboys. Nearly every weight will see at least 2 top 10 opponents this month.
People I talk to say Dee is a great teammate and absolutely loves OSU. Is he the team leader Casey is? Of course not. Casey has been doing this a long time. Casey wasn't this guy after his first year of college either. Casey was, frankly, a problem. A much bigger problem than Dee has been at the same point in his career.
Casey had to grow up on and off the mat. It is awesome he did. He is a huge part of this team. It is these type of posts that get me though. Dee has a lot of growing up to do on the mat. I've never heard a bad word about the kid off of it.
Looks like Jamison Jordyn Lockett Routledge Norman Berge are going to Michigan st open this weekend.
I agree.....Facundo at 165 (if he can make the weight) is probably the best lineup for Ok. State. I think he would be the better option over Dee and Casey - and allows for both Facundo and Norman to be in the lineup. But I'm not even sure if that is on the table. Any insiders know ?
Appears the Cowboy tournament did decide the starters
Dang, disappointed that Norman and Dee were not able to capitalize it. I had high hopes for them, especially Norman. I thought he will non stop attack and go at it like MM.
I would guess those weights specifically are not close to being decided. DT said as much about 165 today.
Good on DT for calling out the booing, well put,
“You can boo the opposing team, but these guys are teammates, you don’t boo our guys”
Hold up.
How did people booing Dee because it looks like he's looking for a breather translate into questioning his whole damn life as a teammate and a human? There's a problem in todays society that says if you show or vocalize disapproval of someone's actions or words you must hate them. Its always taken to the 99th degree. I'm pretty sure nobody boo'd Dee because they thought he was a trouble maker in his day to day life or a bad teammate.
As far as maturing on the mat, yes that comes with time. But either youre in shape or youre not. If youre in shape, stop doing things out there that very much make it look like you arent.
I don't agree with booing the opposing team. They are competitors, they came to compete. You are booing them when they walk in why ... because you'd rather they didn't thus you don't want to see the competition? Maybe stay home then.
Now if they are Sooners maybe an exception cause the name itself means cheaters and no one likes a cheater.
I’ve never boo’ed anybody, I cannot imagine being a grown man and booing some goofy kid.
Interesting. I can't remember the last time I went to a sporting event and didn't boo someone. I'll boo the towel boy if he moves too slow.
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