You believe evolution is possible without a shred of evidence for it. That's wonderful faith.
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You place faith in hundreds of things you do in your everyday life.
Eating food from the grocery or a restaurant
Passing a car on a 2 way road
The people who built your house
The bank you keep your money in
The people you work with
I could go on all night. So why is it hard to put "faith" in your creator???
Didn't your god create everything, including the devil? Can't your god defeat the devil?
Your god is either incompetent, evil minded, doesn't give a ****, or doesn't exist.
Letting children suffer and die. Now thats a just god....please.
No He doesn't. He gave us free will, we sin, sin broke the world and caused a horrible chain of events including cancer in children, so He paid an incredibly high price to make a way out of those consequences of our own rebellion for all of us.
The sufferings of this world is WHY we need Jesus Christ.
Your blunder is thinking God is an impetuous child in nature. Someone who has a tantrum if they don't get their way immediately.
Evolution is a scientifically proven fact. Things change over time. Just stop...you are in over your head.
You just provided a list of things that don't require me to believe in any of them. I don't have to believe the car I am passing isn't going to do something that puts them in my lane. I can just take precautions to prevent it. I can clean or inspect the food I get from a grocery or I can check the restaurant out myself to make sure it is clean and had adequate health ratings.
My house was built and passed an inspection, because people didn't have faith in the builder alone.
My bank account is insured for 250,000 and there are countless laws that protect me as the consumer because there is little faith.
You can work with people and have little to no faith with them.
I can insure myself against all of them and hold someone liable for violating that "faith" in them.
Why would you put faith in something you don't believe in? What would be the point?
I don't place faith in any of that. I make decions based on accessing information and past experience.
It's in a lot of places. The fact that every single ancient culture has nearly the same set of rules they claim were given by God. The fact that every ancient culture has a legend about the world being destroyed in a worldwide flood and only one family surviving. The fact that the span of recorded history matches exactly the period of roughly six thousand years that the Bible describes and not eons before that. The fact that the magnetic field strengths of all the solar planets have been measured and all equate to exactly what they would be if each was formed as a sphere of water (as 2nd Peter 3 teaches Earth was), the spinning electrons from which set up a dynamo in a metal core once the water was fused into metals. The fact that human nature is without exception fallen exactly as the Bible teaches it is among all humans. And many, many, many other things.
Where is your evidence that evolution is possible?
Everything you just mention requires "faith" that all will do what is expected of them. You have NO idea that the person preparing your food hasn't poisoned it, not kept it from spoiling, injecting dye into it when it is actually rancid or that the health inspector hasn't taken a bribe or looked the other way. All of those things REQUIRE your faith in them.
Same with your house that passed inspection. Did the carpenters keep everything squared up and use the proper angles or lumber, did the electrician wire it properly or was his buddy the inspector?
With the way our government works, you are putting FAITH that the corporate office of your bank or the FDIC wouldn't try to weasel out of insuring your accounts???
How do you know the people you work with wouldn't have something out of their control that followed them to work???
You sure put A LOT of FAITH in "Insuring yourself" against ALL things mentioned and even those NOT.
Not putting "faith" in something you don't believe in is certainly your prerogative. I'm just showing you things that you think are worthy of your "faith" that are actually not foolproof.
Ever heard of tadpoles and frogs?
Or maybe caterpillars and butterflies?
Still requires faith in those entities.
The Lord has proven himself worthy of my faith even moreso than the things I listed.
We as Christians are promised this. Don't know when it will happen, but it most definitely will.
Things lose information from their genomes over time. That's why the Christian Edward Blythe came up with the idea of natural selection, to explain why the small number of "kinds" of animals Noah took with him on the ark later had their genes sorted into many more different types of species, none of whom each had the complete genomes their ancestors had and so they couldn't reproduce across species.
And evolutionists call that "micro-evolution" but it's the opposite of evolution. It always only involves information being lost. For example, quite often bacteria lose the ability to digest poisons, and therefore they are immune to antibiotics. But those bacteria have flawed immune systems are are always weak in relation to other bacteria.
But you need a completely different kind of process to get to the evolution you believe in. You need a process that can start at a single celled organism and lead to a mouse. Or start with a blind worm and produce an eyeball on it. And no evolution like that has ever been found or remotely produced in any kind of laboratory. Your believing it is a scientific fact is wonderful proof, in fact, that you have wonderfully strong faith in evolution, as I said at the beginning.
You also have wonderfully strong faith that I am in over my head.
*As a side note, Richard Lenski ran an experiment subjecting e. coli bacteria to radiation for decades trying to produce evidence for evolution. If he had succeeded it would have been the very first ever evidence for evolution. And he thought he succeeded once, because suddenly he found his e. coli changed and were able to digest citrate. However, later on he realized that all e. coli can digest citrate---but usually they don't because it is an inefficient process. All his radiation had done was destroy the regulatory system that usually keeps e. coli from digesting citrate when they don't need it, because it's an inefficient biological process and it taxes a bacterium's resources. So, sorry. Still hasn't been one tiny shred of evidence ever that any upward evolution process ever created any functional feature at all anywhere, much less a whole type of animal.
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The "first time" was why His promise is real!! It was the plan all along.
His death was a living sacrifice for ALL Christians!!! We now have a promise of eternal life because he AROSE after being crucified!! HE LIVES!!!! And He is coming back to get us all one day if we don't join him before that by leaving this horrible world.
Not at all.
I can eat it without faith just because I am hungry or don't care. It may be something I never think about.
Again, I don't have to have faith. I could just want an affordable place to live and expect something could go wrong at any moment and accept that because I can hold someone liable if so.
I have no faith they wouldn't. In fact, I would expect them to. But I do have faith in myself to manage it. I can also realize the odds of it being misplaced are leas there than my home or person.
I don’t! Considering it's happened more than once at my place of employment, I expect it. But, I do work from home now. So.....
Well, I have faith in being able to protect myself. That's faith in me. You not have that?
Nothing in worthy of my faith but me.
If you believe evolution is not fact. You are in over your head.
Things change over time...fact.
That's why I call myself a Christian because ALL of my faith is in him. I may die from ANY of those things I mentioned for you, but if I do I KNOW I will be in a better place with Jesus.
You have declared that your faith is in you. I hate to hear that because Jesus love is for ALL who choose Him over themselves.
Things change over time by losing genetic information. Fact.
That is the opposite of what your faith is in. Fact.
You need things to change over time in such a way that new functional information arises, new types of plants and animals or at least existing plants and animals with brand new abilities. And that has never happened. Richard Lenski even spent 30 years showing it can't even happen in bacteria even with the help of decades worth of radiation.
If I do good in my life and follow all the principles God allegedly wishes, even if I don't do it in his honor or with belief in him as to why I do those things, why would faith be a decider? Does that seem logical to you?
Wrong person to try that with. I use a 1611 KJV of the Bible, the most original in the English language.
I don’t believe you’re willing to accept any evidence and my time is very valuable.
But here is a strong start. If you read this paper and want to discuss it with actual ideas that really address the phenomena, then I will be happy to discuss it with you and can present equally strong support for the other evidences I listed that you’re asking about here.
And if you’re not willing to discuss the paper and are only here to mock even though you are the one who asked for evidence, then at least anyone else reading can see I didn’t list anything I don’t have very strong evidence for.
Planetary Magnetic Fields
I’m poorly educated but you can’t comprehend that a cata
I’m poorly educated but you think a caterpillar to a butterfly is the same thing as a fish living under water to a human on land or an ape to a human. Ummm sir, you are the one in need of a biology class, a basic one at that.
It is logical, but it's more than logical: it's highly charitable.
Because try as you might, you will never come anywhere close to really following ALL those principles, and you will hurt a lot of people your whole life long in your failure to do so. If you look deep in your heart quietly and honestly next time you are alone, you will even agree this is true.
But God in His generosity is making you the offer of Him treating you like you actually succeeded in following all those principles if you only are willing to have faith.
And it's faith. It's the furthest thing from blind faith. Evolutionists always come off looking silly in these things and they're the ones who wind up turning down debates, because they're the ones who actually have blind faith and don't even understand what they think they believe. We Christians have very good reasons for believing what we believe.
No I think a caterpillar to a butterfly is an example of evolution.
Which was the exmple I used when you asked for evidence that evolution was possible. Refer to post #142
I'm still waiting to hear the evidence that makes you believe evolution is possible. Everybody believes tadpoles, frogs, caterpillars, and butterflies exist. We can all study all of that in the laboratory. Is there anything about tadpoles, frogs, caterpillars, and butterflies that you think is evidence that evolution is possible? If so can you explain it? Or is your faith all of the "caterpillars and butterflies", candy canes and lollipops variety?