Transfers are the new way of life. Nova's good freshman, Quinerly, is gone. And we have two transfers ourselves. Don't see anyone coming down on them for choosing RU. Wish EO the best. He played his heart out, often on one leg.
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Transfers are the new way of life. Nova's good freshman, Quinerly, is gone. And we have two transfers ourselves. Don't see anyone coming down on them for choosing RU. Wish EO the best. He played his heart out, often on one leg.
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I just don't get this argument.
Anyone with eyes could see Omoruyi was one of our best defenders, even when he wasn't fully healthy. He understood and internalized Pikiell's defensive concepts - he was in the right position, with the right footwork, switching and doubling when he was supposed to, walling up when he was supposed to, communicating defensive sets to the rest of the team, etc. Many times his footwork and positioning led to charges - but just as many times, it prompted "oh ****" moments from penetrating players who had to give up on their penetration attempt and pass the ball out. He was also a plus on the defensive boards.
When he was out for 3 games, our defense fell apart. When he hyperextended his already-dislocated knee against Iowa, his defense suffered over the last 3+ games.
The "he stunk on defense" argument is just sour grapes.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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Oh wow a sane and measured response that did not involve the wishing of knee damage! Well done...
Not surprised the TAMU/RU fan is here to defend the traitor because he might be going to their squad.
PF was NOT going to be a need for 2019-2020 if we had Eugene and yeboah. Why did we need ward for this year (not want him, need him)?
We do need a PF for 2020-2021...to back up Harper...but at that point, it was a “luxury” until Eugene left
Because if you need a PF for the 2020 team you get him on the squad in 2019 to start developing him (especially in the weight room).......so that he is ready for 2020.
Regarding Harper as a starting PF.... that is not a given. He could guard an opposing PF if that guy plays on the perimeter. Harper guarding a low post PF remains to be seen.
Do you think Harper could have guarded a guy like Jordan Murphy last year in the low post? IMO, no and there are more Jordan Murphy types on the horizon in the Big 10.
The only advantage of not having a true PF returning for 2020 is that it may position Pikiell to pitch a really high level guy that he could come in and start immediately because you don't have any returning PF"s....but, that's a risk because you could whiff on guys like Josh Hall or Isiah Cottrell.
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Having had 2 knee surgeries in my life, the last ACL, I held my breath every time Eugene elevated. I think this is addition by subtraction,sadly. No way with that unstable knee, would/could he have stayed on the court all season. With Rutgers luck over all these years, the recurring problem with that knee would have come at the most hurtful time.
I have no idea if Eugene will be hoping for a waiver to play this coming season or not but sitting a year will make him a year older when he finishes his college career. A 2 for 1 is also a gamble for a team taking Eugene. I just think he must have been quite ticked off to leave RU. Maybe Buzz loves his toughness in drawing charges. I am guessing if he puts in for a waiver that he will try to blame RU for pushing him to play when he seems to have been the one who wanted to come back immediately. Hopefully we will get the full story soon.
We definitely could have used a freshman PF to be ready to play as a soph with Eugene gone.
1. 2 for 1 is fine when you have open spots and there isnt a pressing need to be filled with a grad transfer
2. Eugene is not chopped liver....definitely worth a 2 for 1. This isnt Jonathan Laurent. When Eugene was wearing red people were comparing him to Draymond Green in the NPBA
2. Eugene is not chopped liver....definitely worth a 2 for 1. This isnt Jonathan Laurent. When Eugene was wearing red people were comparing him to Draymond Green in the NPBA
Quinerly sucked at Nova
You are right....he did nothing on defense.. Never drew 53 charges because he was soft and scared. Never rebounded but he still led the team in rebounds.
And...the Illinois center scored his points on Doorson and Johnson. Eugene only guarded him for a short stretch. But, perimeter player Palmer lit up everyone in the Big 10 Tourney.
Don't bring facts into the discussion RUC----they don't keep stats like taking charges in the " Driveway League ".
People who wish the kid gets injured need help
RU choppin did go back and found that a lot of Illinois C going off was on Eugene. He can correct if I have it wrong.
Having been plagued by knee dislocations my whole life, I disagree. We've never seen Omoruyi's knee simply give out or buckle - we've never seen his patella simply dislocate during normal play or due to fatigue. His knee dislocated on two collisions that would have very likely caused knee injuries in any other player on the team, too.
Now, I know the pain of a dislocation - but I also know that the stronger the muscles are around the knee, the less likely it is to slip. Omoruyi is a D1 athlete who seems to take his S&C seriously, which puts him on a level apart from the average joe.
If there was some additional damage, like a torn ACL, that changes things - but it didn't look like that was the case by the way he came back after just missing 3 games and still performed at a high level.
All I found was bac's postgame breakdown, that showed that we did use Omoruyi on Giorgi, too - and no one was really able to stop him. My own opinion is that the overall "loose whistle" that allowed a lot of contact in both directions gave Giorgi much more of a sandbox to play in for that game - a tighter whistle would have seen him on the bench for a lot of the action.
That dude was in a zone and played a great game....no one could stop him...Doorson, Johnson, Carter or Eugene....he scored at will with that awkward lefty half hook shot. Not that it matters but Eugene had a knee brace on and you could tell he was about 70%.
He really was in a zone, and he adapted perfectly to the high-contact streetball contest we played that night. It was the 3rd lowest fouls-per-minute he'd seen all season.... 3 fouls in 36 game minutes for a guy who fouled out 10 times in regulation during the year. Over his last 8 games, he averaged 4.4 fouls in 27.6 min and fouled out 3 times.
He was able to capitalize on the way the game was being called better than we were.
I’m with @Scarlet Shack GOOD RIDDANCE dude!
Yeah we were his only committable offer at the time nearing his announcement that’s true.
My understanding was nobody knew but that his teammates were not unaware of reasoning that led to the decision. Is that off? My connection to this one is not as close as teammates themselves.
Agree with you. There is something structurally wrong with his knee as evidenced by two dislocations. Having had 3 knee surgeries on the same knee, it doesn't take much, a minor mistep, to undue months of rehab and physical therapy. I doubted he would get through the entire season next year without going down again. At least now we get to construct the team without him on the roster rather than adjusting on the fly due to an injury. As far as moving to another team, I hope his knee holds up and he can play the entire season.
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maybe he was not as good defensively when his knee slowed him down, at best... No one was calling out EO for lack of D.
How about if Eugene properly told all the players and the coaching staff well in advance and then also explained why he transferred.
I am confident that people would prefer the way he did it vs. this. there are much more disrespectful ways he could have done this.
So it was just a coincidence that Eugene happened to have two collisions causing repeat injuries? And he came back without a vertical jump. The fact that he played was impressive and showed amazing determination but he clearly was not nearly as effective.
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What did he do well defensively? Yeah he took a bunch of charges and pulled down boards. But when trying to take charges, he was called for just as many blocks and also flooped on no calls leading to easy buckets. Bac, u dont dive deep man
If you saw the injuries and watched in slow motion, then you'd say "yes" it was just coincidence.
The first injury as a sophomore was hard knee-to-knee contact to the side of his knee while his foot was being stepped on, immobilizing his leg while it took impact.
The second injury as a junior was a hit in from behind while in the air for an offensive rebound, which forced him to fall backward with his full weight on his left leg pinned beneath his body.
Neither of those are normal contact, and both would have resulted in injuries to other players (not just Omoruyi).
He had a third injury against Iowa where his left foot hit a wet spot and slid out from under him - and that would have been fine, just falling on his butt. Unfortunately, after his foot slid out and his weight headed toward the ground, the outside of his sneaker caught traction, which twisted his ankle inward and jammed his foot to a stop, which caused his knee to hyperextend.
Not saying it can't (or won't) happen, but we haven't seen his knee go out due to instability or fatigue - it's always been abnormal circumstances.
FIG answered it here. Much rather have a freshman with a small role this year gaining experience and strength so he can come out firing with a major role increase his sophomore year. It would also prevent us from needing to recruit multiple players at the same position next year
The way it looks now I would like to see a freshman for next year at PF unless (we find a late get for this year which is possible but less likely) and either a sit out transfer for the upcoming season or a grad transfer for next season so we have a mix of a young promising freshman and someone with experience
I'd think fishing the pond of HS seniors would be mostly catch and release this late.
The answer to the big question is the type of 4s that we go after. Duke and Carter may be valuable this year, but I want my 4s to look more like a 3 than a 5.
Just about every kid who transferred that I've talked to told me that they didn't tell their teammates until after they asked for their release. Granted that isn't a huge sample size.
Most told me that their coaches suspected that something was up with them. None of the players said their coaches specifically asked them if they were thinking about transferring.
You are right....he did nothing on defense.
And...the Illinois center scored his points on Doorson and Johnson. Eugene only guarded him for a short stretch. But, perimeter player Palmer lit up everyone in the Big 10 Tourney.
Lol
Dead-on observation from a deep dive. This is precisely why Pike flew to Toronto to cut him.
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