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I'd love if they weren't truly the best we have. I feel like I've watched both of them make so many inexplicably bad plays over the last...5+ years? Certainly at the very least Gunnar was better than they were...would be kind of shocked if either started and was any better than Bryce
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This is where I'm at. I feel like Gunner is better than both already. If the Bama transfer isn't better than them I'd be shocked. Seriously they were highly rated but other than a game neither has shown anything that would make me excited if they trotted out as a starter this year. I know we once thought highly of both of them but I'd be more disappointed than happy if either starts another game here.
I also MIGHT be the only guy on this board who isn't high on a secondary that includes Older Buford, Hartzog, and Singleton also. A little more intrigued by how I THINK they use Singleton this year but I swear I'm not excited about "running it back" with any of these guys minus Wright.
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Yeaaah, Singleton had like...2 good games last year? Otherwise forgettable kind of? And Hartzog...potentially the biggest liability on this defense INCLUDING the D-line. He's just not tall enough or fast enough, so expecting next to nothing there.
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Yup and MAYBE Buford does better as a safety than did at CB but man none of them starting gives me the warm fuzzy. I mentioned it when they all decided to run it back that if they all were starters I wouldn't be near as high on the defense and team as a whole as I would with others. I could be wrong but I feel like I've seen enough of all of them to know what they are and none of them are top level BIG secondary talent IMO. THATS what we need if we wanna play at that level.
I also think they are all absolutely GREAT guys and teammates. I also get it that coaches fall on love with that sometimes. Hope that's not the case here. Let's not forget that before Tommie Hill got hurt last year Buford and hartzog were playing ahead of Wright. Again hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it...
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We will be fine on the offensive line. There is talent there. And depth
Yeah also true. I also agree that…we probably know what Singleton Buford and Hartzog are. Scheme will be the thing that makes them look good or bad, because they’re not incredible, and confusing blitzes will confuse QBs and make our DBs job a LOT easier…can’t wait to just find out and for the season to start
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O line seemed to do ok at pass pro last year, it was the rushing where it suffered from what I remember. Though DH did say the rb's weren't hitting holes so maybe they need to take some blame as well. And I pray we've seen the last of hartzog at cb.
I think they will be able to pressure. I'm not so sure they hold up in the secondary. Especially considering Butler seems to be really aggressive. Someone has to cover if that's the case.
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I agree about the talent level. Feel better about this OL than I have in a while. Just kept hearing people mentioning those guys. Depth would make sense. Anything other than not so much.
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Depends on how they handle Cincinnati. If they cannot establish dominance in the trenches against a lower tier BIG XII team, good luck with the BIG. Hopefully DH’s scheme will also help out our OL with quicker developing routes.
I don’t see too many killer QBs on the schedule. If we can get pressure it will make them look like studs
Wouldn't pressure would be the best friend of a secondary that isn't great at covering receivers? It is a whole lot easier to cover for 4 seconds than 7. That being written, Gifford was a liability last year. Singleton and Hartzon will be sort of splitting the Gifford role this year. Singleton will be moving into the box and supporting the run more than last year. He has more speed and is a better tackler than Gifford. Hartzog will be playing the pass coverage in the nickel. There are 2 decent cover corners in Ceyair Wright and Andrew Marshall, then plenty of young depth back there as well.
Personally, I am not worried about the back end.
I can see it now......if NU spanks Cincy the narrative will be that they sucked......MeeChicken will expose NU. Seems like if you don't have abused spouse syndrome then you must be a kook-aid drinker. How about a happy medium?
If Teddy and/or Corcoran are playing, then that is a problem.
IMO there are only two things to like about the secondary:
1) Ceyair Wright
2) the coaching they will all receive…Nebraska certainly spent some resources toward making this group better
IMO there are only two things to like about the secondary:
1) Ceyair Wright
2) the coaching they will all receive…Nebraska certainly spent some resources toward making this group better
And I’m already loving the excuses for Coach Raiola about Pritchett.
He has to get used to a pro-style offense compared to a spread offense?
JFC!!
He has to get used to a pro-style offense compared to a spread offense?
JFC!!
It’s been a bummer for both of those guys. Turner was pressed into playing early at a position that was not his natural one. Then he spent the back half of his career injured mostly. Teddy has never had a healthy season that I remember. He has two seasons left with the injuries. It’d be nice if he could have a full season where he was available to play in all of the games. Let him be able to go through an entire season of practice and see if there’s anything left there. Where he could be valuable is at the end of line in a jumbo package. That’s a lot of human to move if you’re trying to stop the offense from getting a couple of feet.
I heard Teddy is gonna start at right tackle. Left tackle- Gunnar is playing very well, but there's a lot of money invested in the Alabama kid. If there's a tie, who do you go with? The returning starter or the big money transfer? One thing is that Pritchett can play either side so there's some flexibility there.
I haven't heard anything about Corcoran. Don't think he's practicing yet. Who knows, maybe he'll get cleared to practice and give the line a boost in the latter half of the season.
Singleton is better near the line of scrimmage in my opinion. They have thrown so many scholarships at the defensive backfield that I would hope that they don't need to play a guy like a Singleton or Gifford back at safety in a single high look. Hartzog, I guess, is gonna be the slot corner. I'm sure he'll be crafty on the shallow routes, but every OC on our schedule is gonna be looking for ways to expose his size and speed on the deep stuff. And if Hartzog is playing up on the line of scrimmage, I can't remember how good of a tackler he is. These days smart teams are gonna scheme to make your slot corner tackle.
With the speed we've got at LB, it would be wise to blitz a lot more than we have previously.
Fans acting like it is two totally different games.
Like at Bama they block people with their knees.
If you watched Singelton, Hartzog and Buford cover for the last 3 years and are not worried about them covering I'm not sure what to say.
Of course pressure helps a ton. What makes you think we will get more pressure this year? TY, Williams, Butler, all gone. Love the new guys but they still have to "do it" right?
Outside of Wright who did you feel comfortable with covering man to man last year?
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I think we’ll get more pressure this year because we have a more aggressive DC. We’ll get burned too but I’m all for a more aggressive game plan.
Ceyair Wright and Hartzog have played about the same number of games. Wright has 3 ints and 11 pass deflects. Hartzog has 7 and 12. Hartzog played as a freshman over older and better regraded talent. When Busch desperately needed a second corner, out of all of the DBs, it was Hartzog and the transfer from UCF. He is certainly limited as a cornerback, but I’m not gonna slag a kid for doing his level best at a position that he’s not exactly suited for. He will be playing a position that is a better fit this season and I hope he knocks it out of the park.
I agree about being more aggressive but the "getting burnt" more is the risk that cones with that.
I'm one who will always lean to being more aggressive on defense but we better be ready to deal with the consequences when it happens. Anyone remember the Indiana game when out guys were left out to cover in space? Illinois?
Long story short we BETTER get home when we send more people if we are starting who It assumes like we are in the secondary.
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I love All our players. That doesn't mean some aren't better than others. Hartzog isn't in the same ball park as Wright and I don't need stats to tell me that. Level best only matters when you don't have anyone better. Production over good story.
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Not once did I mention singleton or Buford and their cover skills. Hartzog will be on the slot. I don’t care about last year and who could cover man to man.
Every year college football teams replace productive players with other players that have little to no experience.
Hartzog has been playing above guys who on paper are better players since he got here. He was the kid playing corner as a freshman when Tommi couldn't get his **** together and was wondering around between offense and defense. The kids limitations are self-evident. He's listed at 5-9/185 and that is probably generous. Hartzog ain't in the same ballpark as Ceyair Wright, except when it comes to productivity on the field. And that is the thing that coaches value. Busch, White, and Rhule have all been effusive in their praise. And I did know that the B1G coaches picked Hartzog as Honorable Mention last year.
For me, Hartzog is production AND good story.
That's all fine and dandy.i guess I'm concerned with what I seen last year and the year before that. 3 years is a pretty good sample size.Im not worried about Singelton playing the run. Buford is decent at that as well. I repeatedly mentioned COVERAGE in all my posts. So if we aren't talking about coverage then we are responding to the wrong posts.
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If Corcoran is starting at tackle, we are not good.
I’m rooting for Teddy, but if he still has the quicks necessary to play pass pro, I’ll be pleasantly shocked.
We got killed by D’s who ran varied and well designed pressure packages. Against UCLA, DR was the proverbial doe caught in the headlights. Gotta really (REALLY) hope DH’s scheme helps eliminate those situations.
Our OL has not lived up to expectations for twenty years. I would practically kill for this season to finally mark a turnaround.
I’m rooting for Teddy, but if he still has the quicks necessary to play pass pro, I’ll be pleasantly shocked.
We got killed by D’s who ran varied and well designed pressure packages. Against UCLA, DR was the proverbial doe caught in the headlights. Gotta really (REALLY) hope DH’s scheme helps eliminate those situations.
Our OL has not lived up to expectations for twenty years. I would practically kill for this season to finally mark a turnaround.
You saw Buford playing corner, and Gifford playing the rover, Of course the man to man coverages were going to look suspect. When Ceyair came in, that side of the field got better in coverage. Then you add Andrew Marshall, who by all accounts is going to start at the other side. So my point was, I don't care about last year because you are going to have 2 guys starting at CB this fall that weren't starting at the beginning of last year. You will have Buford, back at safety and you will not have Gifford back there at all, and even if his cover skills aren't up to your expectations, they are still better than Gifford's were.
As far as responding to the wrong post........My initial comment to you was about your comment that you think the DL is going to be able to pressure the QB but you weren't sure if the DBs are going to be able to cover, to which I replied that pressure helps with your concern about covering because it reduces the time the QB has to make a decision. Then you flipped the script and asked me why I thought they were going to be able to get pressure because of the loss of a few players. So which is it? You believe the DL in 25 is going to get pressure or they won't because Williams, Butler and Robinson are gone and the new guys are going to have to do it.
I heard the Sam thing about teddy. I just always wonder about health when I hear his name. Same as Corcoran.
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That's fine and we can agree to disagree. Good teams with good WRs were seeking him out on defense. That isn't an accident. You know who doesn't get a ton of interceptions? Guys who QBs don't throw the ball in their direction.
Hartzog is a great kid who does thing the right way. A guy who is bought in. A guy who isnt hard to coach. Of course the coaches love him. All of that is great. But none of that makes him a great football player. I also don't care about what a guys rating was coming out of high school. That's irrelevant once they hit the field.
Just because I point out and recognize weaknesses of a player doesnt mean he's bad or I don't like him. I just don't look at his stats and equate it to him being a very good football player like some do.
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