Fire Austin now and go find the best coach money will buy. Do it now before we get back to conference play. Why does he still have a job.
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The OL certainly didn’t play well on Saturday. They did have a few good moments. How good was UCF’s OL under Austin? What’s different between his OL at UCF & the OL at NE?
One plays in a league that cares about defense….the other doesn’t. That’s about it.
IF you thought Callahan was loyal, and was stubborn and wouldn't fire his friends..... here we go again
Are there different techniques & rules that apply? Did the techniques & rules taught & practiced at UCF only work against poor defenses, like Auburn’s? If so, can you provide support for your answer? I’d like to read up on the differences.
I’m not saying Austin is the answer, but I’m not sure he’s 100% of the problem. If he’s not, we bring in someone new without fixing the rest of the problem and we still have problems.
That’s a cop out. You either don’t know the answer or you just hate Austin. How is it different - technique wise?
We had 2 of our 5 OL positions with very little game experience, but some of the biggest problems I saw were actually from Piper.
Benhart struggled some against bull rush being 6’9” and giving up leverage, but he graded out the highest.
It’s hard to pinpoint how much is coach and how much is player in Game 1 with a couple new guys tossed in the mix, but I’m leaning towards the coach not getting them ready when they need to be ready as causal factor #1.
OL is all technique and footwork, along with some strategy, and we seemed to be lacking in all of the above.
Benhart struggled some against bull rush being 6’9” and giving up leverage, but he graded out the highest.
It’s hard to pinpoint how much is coach and how much is player in Game 1 with a couple new guys tossed in the mix, but I’m leaning towards the coach not getting them ready when they need to be ready as causal factor #1.
OL is all technique and footwork, along with some strategy, and we seemed to be lacking in all of the above.
What’s different? The same thing that’s different with this whole coaching staff. They played in the worse conference in America against horrible opponents. They had an All American QB who made them all millionaires. It was all fools gold. None of these coaches are competent.
UCF's OL wasn't that good either. They had a ton of speed at the RB position and Milton also helped cover up mistakes on the OL.
They're simply not prepared to start the year. You can't wait until halfway through the season before you develop a base level of competence to do the job the OL is supposed to do. That is a huge problem.
I'm not saying Austin is the second coming of Milt Tenopir but AM has a lot of time that other QBs would die for. The basic gameplan vs Nebraska is take away the run, take away AM's first read. Make him beat you with his 2nd+ read which he's proven he can't do.
Another cop out. Just admit you have no idea and you’re just bitching to be bitching. That’s fine. It’s obvious to me you don’t understand nuances of the game.
Is there a difference in reads between a Zone coverage (various zone coverages) and Man coverage? Which read takes longer? I’m not saying AM couldn’t be making faster reads as I believe he can and should at this stage in his career. Having played the position, I know there’s a difference in reading coverages and the play call and personnel make a big difference.
This reminds me of the threads about the defenses last year. Yes they needed some improvement but they weren't bad.
The o-line this year is not that bad. Look at the youth and you see the improvement. They had a couple of bad plays but most of this lies on bad play calling and subpar QB play. Get a QB who knows how to get rid of the ball on time and you will better line play...
The o-line this year is not that bad. Look at the youth and you see the improvement. They had a couple of bad plays but most of this lies on bad play calling and subpar QB play. Get a QB who knows how to get rid of the ball on time and you will better line play...
They weren't ready for game speed. Falls on staff. Like another poster stated, they do seem to get better and always seem to not be ready game 1. The entire team was not ready for a road conf game. Again, falls on staff.
this is a .500 team at best. I'd love to be wrong but this staff has done nothing to inspire hope. Really sucks because I used to enjoy Saturdays. Now I just envy what other teams are doing, and doing right.
this is a .500 team at best. I'd love to be wrong but this staff has done nothing to inspire hope. Really sucks because I used to enjoy Saturdays. Now I just envy what other teams are doing, and doing right.
the only problem with this is, the good ones are employed already. you have to find someone willing to only be a coach for the remainder of the season. As soon as the offseason hits, poach the best coach we can afford.
I wanted to stay with Dr. Toms offense, 9 wins per year..
running the ball, run blocking, etc...
but oh no, we could out recruit everyone and their mom for the best left tackle and the next joe montana.
alot of folks said....
I said the situation would get out of control,
and it has...
running the ball, run blocking, etc...
but oh no, we could out recruit everyone and their mom for the best left tackle and the next joe montana.
alot of folks said....
I said the situation would get out of control,
and it has...
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how much time do you think a QB needs to make 2-3 reads and get the ball out? There we multiple times AM had about 2.5 seconds before someone as in his face or at his feet.
The running game? I think it was Sirles who said it, the OL scheme is based on blocking a specific position. LG blocks the NT on a play for example. When they came out in a different front, that confused them and took a lot away. One suggestion he had was to have it be gap responsibility. LG gets B gap for example. Anyone there, block his ***. Backs read the zones and go.
We were constantly told in preseason that the DL was "dominating" the OL. This isn't really a surprise to anybody.
If you see an OL wearing a "Run the damn ball" hat on campus feel free to just take it from the guy. They probably won't be able to stop you.
If you see an OL wearing a "Run the damn ball" hat on campus feel free to just take it from the guy. They probably won't be able to stop you.
I feel like Austin will get the job done. He has recruited well. The players seem to really like him.
Depending upon whom you believe he has been hamstrung with who he should play and the technique they use to block the running game.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if he could be given full control of all OL things. (of course maybe he already has that).
Depending upon whom you believe he has been hamstrung with who he should play and the technique they use to block the running game.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if he could be given full control of all OL things. (of course maybe he already has that).
OK, it is year 4 for Austin. Serious question, do you see improvement? His best year was year one with the players he inherited. The production this highly rated group is sad.
Technique isn't any different but adjustments are. Why couldn't he adjust his line scheme from even front to odd front? They didn't practice it enough? He must not be teaching them how to attack the D Line, rather it seems he's teaching them to shield. Difference is Milton was a confident QB who knew how to attack a defense whereas AM panics b/c he doesn't feel like the O Line protects him (5 sacks). Austin is in over his head against the B1G, imho.
I think it goes back to the possibility that he is being directed what to do and who to possibly play. I have no idea if either rumor is true, but, if so, I would like to see what he is capable of when given the full reigns to run the OL as he sees fit.
Ironically, most on here would say that one of the main strengths at Iowa is their OL. If you read their boards when they struggle they often go after the OL coach stating many of the same things we see on here. (yes I read multiple boards as I am a big fan of college football in general). Many fans were ready to push Polasek out the door right away as they seemed to really struggle with guard play during his tenure. Brian Ferentz also took heat for not developing the OL like people thought he should.
Oh sure, Austin is responsible for the O line and someone else is telling him who to play? Got some proof of that or are you just parroting everything to hear/read? Who would be telling Austin? Frost? Several things, Frost is not around for O line drills, Frost and Austin want to win, playing favorites only makes things worse. Austin hears the criticism and his butt is on the line. He is responsible for teaching technique that leads to results. Those results speak for themselves, but keep finding excuses and spreading rumors unless you have proof.
1. Frost isn't around for O line drills? where is he, G25? got proof?
2. Frost and Austin want to win...duh, even if Frost were telling Austin who he wants to play on the O line, he's the head coach, he wants X dude to play over Y dude...that's his call isn't it? right or wrong. You think Verdu tells him who to play at QB? or Held tells him who to play at WR? or Lubick tells him who to play at WR? He has a LOT of influence on who plays and if you think the opposite...okay
3. Playing favorites does make things worse...but how much worse can it get? A LOT...we'll see at the end of the season where all this shakes out.
4. EVERY COACH'S *** IS ON THE LINE...EVERYDAY!!
Have you ever been to a practice? He can't be everywhere all of the time. There are position groups doing drills all over. While he may be "around" it doesn't mean he is watching for detail. I noticed quite a few names played on the O line Saturday, I suppose Frost is making those decisions along with play calling and who is playing WR and RB?
So the department manager works with the workers everyday in meetings and on the field, but the boss comes along and picks his favorites in all the positions? Not going to work that way. Sure he is the HC but he relies on his assistants to manage their area. There would be revolt if not.
And yes Lubick works with the WRs and decides rotation.
You are making Frost out to be the biggest micro manager out there.
You might want to read what I posted again Tru
I think you may have missed a few lines. IF some of the rumors are true I would like to see Austin given full control. If I knew he had full control now with the current results I would be much more willing to throw him under the bus.
Truth is I do not know who is calling the shots for the OL technique or playing time. Nor do you.
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bring in a small fleet of food trucks, hire mangino as the oline coach and chase the feely snowflakes into their safe places.
drug tests weekly for the coaching staff and if they're impaired save the buyout money and use for the next young coach.
no more gimmicky offenses requiring players we cant attrack. meat and potatoes and be prepared to go toe to toe for 60 minutes no matter what.
not recruiting qbs this offseason should have been reason enough for immediate dismissal to all involved. two projects(maybe not even that), and the schools all time turnover machine still having fun at everybodies expense. good lord, who is in charge down there?
hope trev is lining up his possibles and getting ready for a new coaching staff.
drug tests weekly for the coaching staff and if they're impaired save the buyout money and use for the next young coach.
no more gimmicky offenses requiring players we cant attrack. meat and potatoes and be prepared to go toe to toe for 60 minutes no matter what.
not recruiting qbs this offseason should have been reason enough for immediate dismissal to all involved. two projects(maybe not even that), and the schools all time turnover machine still having fun at everybodies expense. good lord, who is in charge down there?
hope trev is lining up his possibles and getting ready for a new coaching staff.
I know you were not responding to me on this one but I have been to practices of various college programs and I can say that yes the head coach has input into most positions.
I would disagree on your statement that the head coach is not watching for details at each position group. If Frost isn’t he would differ from most I have seen.
Our OL is probably better than the OL he had at UCF.
UCF played in a much weaker conference, but executed at a high level with SEC fast players at their specialty positions.
They ran serious up-tempo because they could, and while Milton will never play a down in the NFL, he was a magician and serious player that executed at optimum capacity for them in that offense. Will be interesting to see how he does at Florida State this year coming back from his injury.
UCF was legit Oregon fast like he ran under Chip Kelly at Oregon. We've never seen anything close to that, and much of that is simply due to not having near the amount of speed players he had at UCF.
The guy is all hat and no cattle as are a couple of others that coach football here.
Thanks for the response. Weaker conference, stronger conference - doesn’t make a difference for technique. It’s the talent that makes the difference. Experience makes a difference (we don’t have much this year). A blocking scheme makes a difference. He’s teaching the same technique he did at UCF. Yes, Milton made a difference but not in the running game (directly). AM is no Milton, not even close.
UCF was 9th in the AAC in rushing stats in 2016. Navy is always going to be the top dog in that stat. They improved to 5th in 2017. In the Peach Bowl, they ran the ball 36 times for 169 yards. Auburn held Georgia to 32 carries for 46 yards (Nick Chubb’s team) when they beat them in the regular season. In 2018, NE finished 4th in the B1G in rushing (207.5 ypg). In 2019, NE finished 3rd in the B1G in rushing (204.5 ypg) and in 2020, finished 2nd at 201.4 ypg. Better than Iowa. How many all conference OL did NE have during those 3 seasons? Austin may not be the best OL coach but he hardly is “over his head”.