Ohio State got screwed
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Not a chance. They should’ve beat Purdue or at least not get totally blown out. Oklahoma “canceled out” their only loss and and ND like it or not is undefeated.
Agreed.
We did Ohio State no favors by being a 4 loss Division Champ. If we went in with one or two losses, I think OSU would be in today.
Granted Clemson is unbeaten, but they got to beat up on a five-loss Pitt team that lost 51-9 to Penn State earlier this year and nobody seemed to have much comment on that.
The problem is the shifting criteria and implicit bias.
Which team is most deserving and best can be the same or different arguments depending on the optics.
Georgia is the best example. Are they most deserving, IMO not clearly above OU or OSU. Are they among the best, sure but every top SEC team or blue blood with talent will when you apply the “eye test”.
Clemson passes the eye test and didn’t lose, easy call they are in.
Notre Dame doesn’t pass the eye test well when compared to top teams but didnt lose; in with reservations.
OU and OSU generally pass the eye test but have variable amounts of deserving qualities. Pick the team that won versus the better team yesterday and unfortunately Texas wins that perception.
The only problem I have is Georgia at 5. If the committee continues to ignore the value of conference championships then so will teams and fans. I don’t think that’s a good thing for the majority of college football fans and programs.
That was just their last game. They didn’t need to make up lost ground like OSU did after getting pasted by Purdue. Bad losses may outweigh good wins especially in the second half of the season. OSU’s inconsistency does not bode well for a playoff matchup as the committee might be concerned they’d have an off day like that and get pasted by Bama or Clemson.
Interestingly I think if OSU would’ve beaten Purdue and their loss was a close one to Michigan instead, and say we beat Michigan in the title game, I wonder where a one loss OSU would be ranked?
Well, that was the difference. Nobody was worried about whom Clemson was playing in the title game because they didn't get pounded by a 6-6 team during the regular season. Syracuse was about their only close call. Because I want an eight-team playoff, I sort of wanted two SEC teams to get in to cause the maximum chaos. Now I'm hoping Alabama pounds Oklahoma so there will be plenty of debate about who should have gotten the fourth spot.
No. Notre Dame is a better team than Ohio State. ND has a better defense than NU and a far better offense. OSU's two backs averaged 3.5 yard per carry against NU - the team averaged 2.7. They would get less against a better front 7 of ND and ND would get a better pass rush.
Ohio State defense is not good.
tOSU did not get screwed -- 2 years in a row they piddled the bed - at Iowa and then again at Purdue. Ranked #6 is about correct imo.
.02 and, Go Cats !!
.02 and, Go Cats !!
Playoff position should be and is about what you've accomplished, not how you look in some "eye test". Georgia has two losses, only won eight games against power 5 teams and their best win was over an over-rated Florida team. OSU gave up a combined hundred to Purdue and Maryland. As ridiculous as the defense in the Big 12 is, Oklahoma did avenge their only loss. With only three really worthy playoff teams this year, they're as good a choice for the fourth spot as the committee could have named.
Can't happen soon enough. The regular season should be reduced and an 8 team tournament should be initiated for next year. Why should duh-OSU get screwed for a one-game lapse? They're as good as any team this season IMO. (E-Cat, forgive me.) Why shouldn't GA get another swing at the title? They already came close against Bammer and next time might be winners.
Hell with the bowl fiefdoms.
yeah, to hell with the other 121 teams in FBS wanting something to play for! For that matter, why should the playoffs be single elimination? We should structure them like the World Cup and make the teams play a few times a week for a month!
But we like OSU getting screwed. Of course we also like ND getting screwed and we could not get both.
The only way I want to see an eight team playoff is if power5 conference championships would be treated as first round playoffs with 3 at large teams added. Even then, that would likely mean 14 or 15 games for several teams, almost an NFL season. Logistics also could get very complicated and I like the reward of bowls for teams with winning records so I'm not a full-fledged adherent.
Yes yes yes. What is wrong with teams having the opportunity to go out winners? It's fun. You know, fun? Aren't sports supposed to be fun? Fun, fun, fun sang the noted philosophers, The Beach Boys.
There is no reason you couldn't have bowl games with an eight-team playoff. You have a ton of them now with a four-team playoff. As you point out, there's about 130 Division I teams, so there always will be a bunch that don't qualify for a playoff.
I really like the system the CFP has settled on. I do not, however, like the schedule.
CFP has locked itself into a Monday night championship game. This year’s games were, I believe, originally scheduled for New Year’s Eve but we’re moved to Saturday, December 29, after year 2 NYE rankings were terrible.
They should play the first round on BOWL DAY - January 1st - and move the rest of the schedule to fit that static date.
There’s no reason - except for the season debut of The Bachelor - that they couldn’t play the playoff games on NYD and the championship on Wednesday 1/9 or Thursday 1/10 or Friday 1/11.
CFP has locked itself into a Monday night championship game. This year’s games were, I believe, originally scheduled for New Year’s Eve but we’re moved to Saturday, December 29, after year 2 NYE rankings were terrible.
They should play the first round on BOWL DAY - January 1st - and move the rest of the schedule to fit that static date.
There’s no reason - except for the season debut of The Bachelor - that they couldn’t play the playoff games on NYD and the championship on Wednesday 1/9 or Thursday 1/10 or Friday 1/11.
Couldn't disagree more. Bowls are a blast, and seeing the same teams every year playing in a tournament that's the same as every other sport is just boring. The bowls are a unique tradition to be cherished.
Yeah, ever since they moved to a playoff, all we ever hear about are who or who should be the top four teams, especially nonstop Alabama. I’m sick of the whole thing.
F them. That program can drink drano and die. Meyer is a complete Arse. Fact is, Im glad we knocked them out by keeping it a one score game before Mayo had a few complete meltdowns.
I can't argue that OSU is as good if not better than Notre Dame and Oklahoma. I can argue that because of two losses and not being a champion, Georgia loses out compared to teams with one loss and a Conference Championship. What I can't argue is that a team that loses by 29 points to a .500 team, when no other potential playoff team has had a similar loss, that such a loss can be overcome in the playoff argument.
I've been in several discussions as to whether the Playoff Committee's choices are right or wrong. My view is that since the current system is based on a subjective conclusion by the committee, whatever they pick is the right answer since the only binding criteria is their opinion. It's like giving your son the choice of what ice cream flavor he wants at his birthday party. It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks is the best flavor or what should be served, the only flavor that counts is the one he wants.
I've been in several discussions as to whether the Playoff Committee's choices are right or wrong. My view is that since the current system is based on a subjective conclusion by the committee, whatever they pick is the right answer since the only binding criteria is their opinion. It's like giving your son the choice of what ice cream flavor he wants at his birthday party. It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks is the best flavor or what should be served, the only flavor that counts is the one he wants.
As an OSU fan, we don’t belong in a playoff. We don’t deserve it. I would have loved it, but you can’t lose by 30 to a mediocre team and be as inconsistent as we were and expect to be top 4. Hell, the B1G champ game was our season in a microcosm. Drive killing penalties, some struggles in the red zone, inability... terrible play-calling when trying to run the ball (if you watch the games we ran the ball well, it looked completely different than the crap we tried in Indy), giving up big plays, poor pass defense, letting less talented teams hang around... if OSU had played a cleaner game and limited the big play and playing just decent defense, the final score is probably closer to 60+ to 14-17. Instead, it was a ball game in the third after 2 quick scores by NW and 2 bad drives by OSU. If not for Haskins, NW wins that game. 3rd and 20 and he drops a DIME for a TD? Find another QB that’s making that throw and I’ll show you a Heisman finalist... so sad his talent will have been wasted by a horrible defense (outside of Sheffield, I believe the entire LB Corp and DBs are all 3* recruits, compare that to the era of first/second round DBs/LBs we had the previously 4 years) and stubborn coaches that refuse to consistently use a running scheme that works.
Having said that, this year is exactly why the field SHOULDNT expand to 8. Both semifinal games have the lower seed as double digit underdogs. This would have been a year we could have been content with the BCS. There is Bama and Clemson, and then everybody else. This ND team reminds me so much of the one that got curbstomped by Bama in the title game. Good defense, decent offense, really weak schedule that included 1 score wins over Ball State, Pitt, USC, and Vanderbilt. If it were up to me, ND would be behind OU, UGA, and OSU.
Not convinced that Clemson is of "and everybody else" status just yet. We'll see. You never would have scored 60 against NU because you couldn't play a cleaner game (120-something in penalties) and don't play wonderful defense. You had your woes, so did NU — three of its defensive backs out most of the second half. That's the way it goes. Nobody has run on us much this year, including Jonathan Taylor who had 46 yards on the Cats. Our front seven is actually pretty good. Haskins is fantastic, the Bucks had wonderful talent at the skill positions and a good defensive line. Ohio State was clearly the best team and deserved the championship. Enjoy it.
Exactly lol that was my point. We struggled with that all year and again last week. It’s a huge reason we didn’t deserve to be in the playoff. It would have taken that type of performance to convince the committee we were a complete team, but we aren’t, and that’s ok. 12-1, B1G champs, and likely Rose Bowl champs is ok with me. That use to be every B1G teams goal. Win the conference, win the Rose Bowl. Anything else is gravy.
Sure why not have 18 to 21 year old kids play 16, 17, 18 games. Oh forgot they get paid millions. They don't? Really?