Ohio State game thread
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Very tough loss, but the girls played with heart. That 9-0 run by OS coming out of halftime was a killer. Again, we missed a lot of chippies, but OS is the real deal. They are a very talented team and hit their open shots. We're close but we're not getting enough scoring from our bigs. Onward and upward.
I didn't understand the strategy of not starting Scaife in the second half.Rutgers best shooter needs to be out on the court .In the end simply not enough offense .Parker was impressive hitting 3 pointers for Rutgers.
I agree. I was wondering that too. I thought she was shaken up, but the commentators never said anything. After OS quickly went up by 6, I thought Stringer would call TO and we'd see what's wrong with Tyler. Maybe the press will ask her why Tyler wasn't out there to start the second half.
Not being able to inbound the ball after their basket several times in 3rd quarter is inexcusable and our kids were jus standing around and no one came to help. What the heck are the coaches doing? Sitting on their hands? Going 19-2 in third quarter by OSU killed us.
Same issue as the last 4 years.......we can't put the ball in the hoop on a consistent basis. D steps up but no O
EVERY 2nd half instead of taking charge we fall apart...moral victories..thats for our opponents,...i'm just not saying no more...time to move on like when TSG was spending too much time on the golf course...if i didn't love CVS I'd say more...she did us good until recent yrs...i wish her well and hope her mom is doing better..
I have been saying for the past few years that a major reason for our decline is the fact we don't have or recruit the tough Jersey/ NY kids with that toughness and swagger like Matee, Essence and Kia had. Nuff said.
you could see this loss coming a mile away. This team still cannot beat top 25 competition
I actually think that the move to quarters rather than halves has hurt Rutgers. So expect RU to beat the weak sister in the bottom half of the Big 10 and lose to the NCAA type teams. Now 3-5 I think..they will need to get to 10-8 in league for a NCAA bid so that means 7-3 the rest of the way and that's asking a lot from this team given what they have shown recently
I actually think that the move to quarters rather than halves has hurt Rutgers. So expect RU to beat the weak sister in the bottom half of the Big 10 and lose to the NCAA type teams. Now 3-5 I think..they will need to get to 10-8 in league for a NCAA bid so that means 7-3 the rest of the way and that's asking a lot from this team given what they have shown recently
On the TV broadcast today the announcers mentioned that her mom is in hospice care. :-(
Am I the only one that was incredibly frustrated by the refs? We can't beat OSU and the refs! No excuse for the 3rd quarter but still......
Tough loss after being tied at half time. That third quarter killed us. Looking at the stats, we really didn't play all that poorly. 49% shooting, 42.9% from 3-point range, only 14 turnovers (not great, but not *bad*), and we were only out-rebounded by 4. We were simply the weaker team.
I think this is something that some of us (especially me) just need to accept. We're not the stellar team we used to be. I'm going to continue to support the team, but expectations definitely need to be adjusted. The NCAA tournament is a goal now, not a given.
Anyway, we're heading into a stretch of what should be some winnable games. Let's hope we can take advantage and improve our record from this point!
I think this is something that some of us (especially me) just need to accept. We're not the stellar team we used to be. I'm going to continue to support the team, but expectations definitely need to be adjusted. The NCAA tournament is a goal now, not a given.
Anyway, we're heading into a stretch of what should be some winnable games. Let's hope we can take advantage and improve our record from this point!
Go read today's Courier News if you want to know about this team. CVS's quotes say it all. Just what I have been saying the past few years.
For you lazy ones here are the quotes from CVS which are very telling.
from dmd78:
First, no need to insult everyone.
Second, please post a link next time (as already explained to you by another poster) rather than doing a copy/paste from the original article.
Third, you should know by now not to take everything CVS says at face value. Much is lost in the printed page.
from dmd78:
First, no need to insult everyone.
Second, please post a link next time (as already explained to you by another poster) rather than doing a copy/paste from the original article.
Third, you should know by now not to take everything CVS says at face value. Much is lost in the printed page.
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Why call other posters lazy when you were to lazy to post the link.
Thanks for posting the quotes , but in fairness to the Scarlet Nation site:
links should be provided when articles are copied and pasted so the media source used doesn't complain to John O about copyright laws being ignored.
Doubt the Courier News will do that, but the Star Ledger threatened to sue SN for not including links when parts of their articles were copy and pasted and posted on Scarlet Nation.
Thanks for posting the quotes , but in fairness to the Scarlet Nation site:
links should be provided when articles are copied and pasted so the media source used doesn't complain to John O about copyright laws being ignored.
Doubt the Courier News will do that, but the Star Ledger threatened to sue SN for not including links when parts of their articles were copy and pasted and posted on Scarlet Nation.
The quotes are telling and disappointing because the head coach admits a pattern of performance in the second half needs correcting but there were no solutions cited.The status quo is not acceptable if Rutgers expects a NCAA bid.
Did you see the video of the press conference where she said this? Quotes out of full context are misleading. My interpretation, after watching the video of the press conference, was that they were working on solutions including having different people start the 2nd half but have not found one. Just because the quotes don't cite her thinking does not mean she is not working on it. It is disappointing that some RU fans routinely think the worst (that coach is not working on it ). Her response seemed to indicate that she thinks that the status quo in not acceptable to reach the NCAA tournament. Also, she was rushed in the press conference as the SID pointed out that she had a plane to catch, so she departed before the conference was over and left Scaife and Copper to answer remaining questions.
Edited to try to add the link for the video of the press conference.
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this has been a tough year for us boomers regarding the health of our elderly folks who are left and even some of us......this is when having a good team brings us solace and/or a bit of distraction from reality....
Look, if she is working on it, for 5 games that we lost, there certainly has been no solution and it does not seem that one is on the horizon. We are a 12-8 team and 3-5 in our conference. With a heavily upper class laden team, those results are clearly disappointing. I had expectations that Coper, Scaife and Holivay would be improved over last year and be somewhat dominant. I think it is fair to say they are missing a lot of layups and often in foul trouble. If we don't find solutions soon we are in danger of missing the big dance.
I've resisted commenting, but I have to say this. And I'm not picking on you, I suppose we all do it, but my reaction to reading your post was "This is news?" or "How's that for stating the obvious?". You have actually made a post that I dare anyone on the board to disagree with. I just haven't and in general don't see "the point" in posting the obvious.
The other "obvious" point that I don't see folks noting is "we are who we are". The basic characteristics of what the team does on the court are the basic characteristics of a CVS team. Except for occasional exceptions (Tara adopting the triangle and Tara abandoning the triangle) most coaches (even Geno) may tweak each season but they remain true to who they are. The results vary based on personnel, match-ups, etc.
In spite of which, I continue to root for them to do well, and pray for Viv's mom.
I always root for our kids and pray for CVS in her hour of need with her mom. I am a long time season ticket holder and love theses kids. I am also a realist and what I have seen this year and the past few years has been disappointing. CVS is a legend for what she has accomplished and the people she has recruited for this program. She has not been able to get enough of the top kids to be a top 25 team the past few years and the top ones she has been able to get have not made a difference in the program. I have not seen any evidence of future improvement. Please prove me wrong CVS
No, I don't think that's fair to say at all. Although I am not going to disagree that this team as a whole is under-performing, including Rachel, let's be fair to Tyler and Kahleah by comparing last year's stats to this year:
Tyler has improved her field goal percentage from .408 to .517 (!), her 3-point percentage from .286 to .377 (and she already has twice as many 3's as she did last season), and her FT percentage from .720 to .867.
Kahleah has improved her field goal percentage from.459 to .491, from 0-2 3-pointers to .372 (16-43), and rebounds from 5.2 to 8.4.
If you're going to make vague and general comments like that, try to back them up with some actual facts. I believe that Tyler and Kahleah are more than pulling their weight.
It may be time to start planning for a regime change. The program is underperforming and has been in a downward spiral for a while now. It is sad to see and I am not happy about it. There are a lot of good younger coaches out there. Princeton has one. Seton Hall has one. Duquesne has one. And of course there is RU alumnus Chris Dailey who has been tutored by the masterful Geno Auriemna.
I know she seems happy being second fiddle to Geno but I wonder if Dailey is ready for a challenge of rebuilding at her alma mater in the Big 10. Hobbs should definitely send some feelers out to her. I would put Banghart on the top of the list. I don't think the SHU coach would come here actually. I also think we could pry Gail G out of retirement but she has dropped out of my top 2. And of course we don't have the money but Dawn Staley back east would be perfect. I feel a new coaching regime would reinvigorate the fanbase which has dropped off tremendously in the past few years
I think those hoping CVS leaves might just see it happen.
When Hermann and Stringer agreed on the new 4 year extension it was RU friendly
and the last two years buyout terms were tilted towards RU.
I think CVS planned to step down in two years if the program wasn't back to the way it used to be under her leadership
and let someone else take over.
Nothing solid to base my opinion on, just the feeling I had the first time I seen the terms of that extension
When Hermann and Stringer agreed on the new 4 year extension it was RU friendly
and the last two years buyout terms were tilted towards RU.
I think CVS planned to step down in two years if the program wasn't back to the way it used to be under her leadership
and let someone else take over.
Nothing solid to base my opinion on, just the feeling I had the first time I seen the terms of that extension
I think being in the Big Ten and in the NYC metro area, despite the facilities deficit, many good choices will be available. My favorites are still the current coaches at Michigan, Princeton, St Johns and George Washington. UConn coaching lineage includes current coaches at Hartford, Temple and Cincinnati. (If you like that system.) I would look at a philosophy of ball that people want to watch, not just a big name.
UConn's coaching lineage has not been particularly successful. Believe me, I read the UConn board quite a bit and I assure you that they are painfully aware of it. I have at times thought well of Cardoza and Jen R., but they are not demonstrating that they "have it".
Also, one can like Kim BA all one wants, but there is absolutely nothing in her resume that suggests she is going to do better than she has done. Someone above that mentioned Bozzella at Seton Hall is correct, he is a Seton Hall alum so in his dream job.
As I have long said, it is a difficult situation to reflect on - I think that most RU fans under-appreciate CVS as a coach, she was a home-run for RU that none-the-less had 2 losing seasons in her first 2 years. Whatever year she leaves, the most difficult thing for RU will be to hit a home run at what I expect to be a not-so-large salary.
> Someone above that mentioned Bozzella at Seton Hall is correct, he is a Seton Hall alum so in his dream job.
Exactly, why would he leave there?
>As I have long said, it is a difficult situation to reflect on - I think that most RU fans under-appreciate CVS as a coach, she was a home-run for RU that none-the-less had 2 losing seasons in her first 2 years. Whatever year she leaves, the most difficult thing for RU will be to hit a home run at what I expect to be a not-so-large salary.
I agree, RU is unlikely to open its already-strained wallet for a WBB head coach. We haven't gone after top-tier talent for either MBB or football (although I do hope that Ash works out, and I haven't given up on Eddie yet, either).
Exactly, why would he leave there?
>As I have long said, it is a difficult situation to reflect on - I think that most RU fans under-appreciate CVS as a coach, she was a home-run for RU that none-the-less had 2 losing seasons in her first 2 years. Whatever year she leaves, the most difficult thing for RU will be to hit a home run at what I expect to be a not-so-large salary.
I agree, RU is unlikely to open its already-strained wallet for a WBB head coach. We haven't gone after top-tier talent for either MBB or football (although I do hope that Ash works out, and I haven't given up on Eddie yet, either).
I agree CVS has been a home run- and why would anyone expect her successor to equal her past success. I also agree with those who say it's apples and oranges comparing anyone to CVS of 2007- including CVS of 2016. Now, as regards CVS eventual departure: there is evidence KBA would have better success at RU than at Michigan- she was beating RU with lesser talent when at St Johns, and her best player is from NJ. Would she be interested for what we would pay her? No clue. I admit none of Geno's coaching protege's are anywhere near him recruiting or coaching, I just personally want the concept of a more uptempo offensive philosophy to be valued in the eventual search for a new coach. Finally, I would prefer to take a risk on someone (even obscure) who coaches a fun style and gives indications of being able to recruit well, than pay big money for someone who could very easily fail, (like say a famous former WCBB coach now in the WNBA.) :^)