Offensive Improvement

[Trojanbulldog19]

Can anyone tell me any position group or player on offense that improved through out the year. Forget scheme. Forget player personnel. We pay a coach over 3 mil to coach up players, make them better, and develop them. He is essentially the foreman. We hired an offensive specialist. Did any of our offensive players get better from the time Moorhead was hired until now? I don’t see any. I see regression in all position groups. That tells me all I need to know. Don’t give me the bs about his players. Coaches coach up their guys. Jimbo and Mullen seemed like they did just fine with inheriting players that don’t match their system and the players got better throughout the year.

 

[msstate7]

Well here's the thing, Mullen and jimbo are a hell of a lot better than Moorhead

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

That’s exactly my point

 

[Shamoan]

We will be looking for a new coach in 2020 or 2021. He is lost. It's just a question of what type of group the new coach will inherit

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Can anyone tell me any position group or player on offense that improved through out the year. Forget scheme. Forget player personnel. We pay a coach over 3 mil to coach up players, make them better, and develop them. He is essentially the foreman. We hired an offensive specialist. Did any of our offensive players get better from the time Moorhead was hired until now? I don’t see any. I see regression in all position groups. That tells me all I need to know. Don’t give me the bs about his players. Coaches coach up their guys. Jimbo and Mullen seemed like they did just fine with inheriting players that don’t match their system and the players got better throughout the year.

I didn’t see a regression in the Recieving core. They sucked the last few years under Mullen too.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

They were better the last few years than they were this year. Keep blaming Mullen for the reason we underachieved this year though. I know that’s your excuse for everything related to Moorhead’s ineptitude to coach up players.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

They were better the last few years than they were this year. Keep blaming Mullen for the reason we underachieved this year though. I know that’s your excuse for everything related to Moorhead’s ineptitude to coach up players.

You have an incredibly short memory if you don’t remember the drops from last year and 2016. Mullen recruited these guys. He’s mostly responsible for this **** WR core because his goofy hunchbacked *** wasn’t interested in recruiting.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

It’s amazing that one of this nobody wide receivers you say we recruit is playing his *** of in the nfl. He at least coach up and developed the talent that he was able to recruit. Moorhead Getsy Johnson and Breiner haven’t done **** with any of the guys we have.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

JoMo is running an offense that MIGHT can beat the elite defenses. We know Merlinz’ could not. To me, he deserves time to implement it and I’m willing to try it.

Defense will depend on the coordinator, whether it was Merlinz or JoMo.

If we can’t get it rolling with JoMo, I say we go find us a fundamentals coach in the mold of Ferentz. Keep us consistent. Saban is in this mold. Ultimately JoMo will be judged by his ability to recruit like any coach.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Seems like a huge experiment that could end us right back at 2008 and having to rebuild everything that was built to succeed. Just a huge disappointment to not continue success and continue to build instead of having to retool and rebuild

 

[mcfly.sixpack]

Offensive improvement??? The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[WutheringDawg]

I know this is more of a rhetorical question but I figured I’d go look. As you’d imagine nothing earth shattering.

We turned the ball over a lot less. .08 per game in 18 vs 1.7 in 2017.

Fitz’s passer rating improved slightly rom 117 to 121

On the ground as a team we averaged 5.8 ypc in 18 and 5.2 in 17. (Total ypg down 25 y and 9.5 fewer carries)

Through the air 175 yards per game, up from 166.9 (attempts per game down from 27 to 24)

On a per play basis we averaged 6.3 yards to 5.5 in 17. (Total plays per game down 12.3)


On the season we were 61/39 run pass ratio in 2018 and 64/36% in 2017.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Seems like a huge experiment that could end us right back at 2008 and having to rebuild everything that was built to succeed. Just a huge disappointment to not continue success and continue to build instead of having to retool and rebuild

Does anybody really continue success? I think that's a false hope. Only way it works is if 1 - you are a big school, or 2 - hire an alumni or something who will stay forever.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

It’s amazing that one of this nobody wide receivers you say we recruit is playing his *** of in the nfl. He at least coach up and developed the talent that he was able to recruit. Moorhead Getsy Johnson and Breiner haven’t done **** with any of the guys we have.

That’s the problem he’s not a wide receiver. He’s a big *** Tight end Mullen lined up at the X because he failed to recruit the WR position adequately. He also had Stone hands here at State. Mullen or Gonzalez didn’t coach him up. The Texans took him because of his size and athleticism. Not because of anything he did at State. I’m glad however he’s pulling a Denico Autry in the league even though he was mediocre here at State.

 

[PhredPhantom]

Moorhead can take hisn and lose to yorn or he can take yorn and lose to hisn.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

Based off the stats provided here it seems to me that our issue on offense is -- we've bitched about it all year -- getting the ball to the running back, or lack thereof.

It's interesting that we had a dozen less plays per game compared to last year, even though we passed the ball on more occasions. I'd like to take a look at 3rd down conversions and time of possession.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Excellent point about Jimbo and Mullen. A good coach would have taken the players he was handed, and found a way to insert them into his scheme in a way that works. Instead, nothing about his scheme (whatever that is) changed to fit the personnel he was given.

I just can’t think of any part of the offense that improved throughout the season. In fact, many positions regressed. Nick is not a great passer and our receivers can’t catch, but somehow Joe tried to feature the passing game on too many 1st and 2nd downs. That put us in too many third and longs all season. What he did to our running backs should be criminal.

 

[Drebin]

I know this is more of a rhetorical question but I figured I’d go look. As you’d imagine nothing earth shattering.

We turned the ball over a lot less. .08 per game in 18 vs 1.7 in 2017.

Fitz’s passer rating improved slightly rom 117 to 121

On the ground as a team we averaged 5.8 ypc in 18 and 5.2 in 17. (Total ypg down 25 y and 9.5 fewer carries)

Through the air 175 yards per game, up from 166.9 (attempts per game down from 27 to 24)

On a per play basis we averaged 6.3 yards to 5.5 in 17. (Total plays per game down 12.3)


On the season we were 61/39 run pass ratio in 2018 and 64/36% in 2017.

What we are doing doesnt pass the eye test, statistics be damned.

Our offense is slow and plodding. We dont get any kind of an offensive rhythm going. Our plays take too long to develop.....SEC DLs get off their blocks faster in this league. Our receivers drop too many passes. Fitz calls his own number too often on the option plays. I bet our total number of offensive plays per game is down dramatically from last year.

It's a **** show, and it has been all season. We lost five games this year, and at least three (and maybe four) were against inferior opponents. That can't happen....ever. The best defense perhaps in bulldog history was wasted on an 8-5 team and it's a damn shame.

Cohen should have walked out on the field and fired moorhead in the middle of the game after the three qb runs from inside the 3 ended up netting us 3 points. That would at least have given me something to cheer about after driving 12 hours and sitting in the blazing sun to watch that abortion.

Hallelujah, holy ****! Wheres the tylenol?

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

What we are doing doesnt pass the eye test, statistics be damned.

Our offense is slow and plodding. We dont get any kind of an offensive rhythm going. Our plays take too long to develop.....SEC DLs get off their blocks faster in this league. Our receivers drop too many passes. Fitz calls his own number too often on the option plays. I bet our total number of offensive plays per game is down dramatically from last year.

That’s also what I’ve been getting at. The offense seemed to only have any rhythm maybe against Arkansas and Lafayette. Every game it looked like struggled to get any rythym with getting plays in and executing. A good offense looks smooth in transition. The whole drive. We seemed so concerned with taking shots that we never focused on offensive rhythm. Everything was slow. Forever to get a play in. Snapping last second. It’s like the plays were never put together to work off each other. Offense plays should fit together and have some sort of rythym. The way Moorhead calls plays is like someone just banging on the piano or banging on a guitar that has no clue what they are doing and blames the instrument. Someone knows what they are doing can make a bad cheap instrument sound good

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Well here's the thing, Mullen and jimbo are a hell of a lot better than Moorhead

Mullen Salary $6.1 Million
Jimbo Salary $7.5 Million

Moorhead Salary $2.6 Million

 

[msstate7]

Mullen Salary $6.1 Million
Jimbo Salary $7.5 Million

Moorhead Salary $2.6 Million

Get what you pay for, I guess

 

[patdog]

Our offensive stats his year are a lot like Mississippi's stats. Wildly inflated by running up numbers against the bad teams, but run into a brick wall against good ones. Last year's overall stats may be comparable to this year's overall stats. But in our losses, we averaged 16 ppg last year and only averaged 8 this year (4 in our regular season losses).

 

[paindonthurt_]

A&M finished their last 6 games at 4 and 2 with losses to auburn and us.

We finished our last 6 at 4 and 2 with losses to bama and iowa. With a win over A&M and Auburn.

Yesterday sucked all around but news flash.
Morehead didn’t drop the wide open TD that was thrown perfectly by a “non passing qb” who actually played pretty well.

He didn’t ask the refs to shaft us.

Do I have some concerns? Sure.

Same idiots talking abt morehead now were also bashing Mullen early on and up to the end.

It’s never as good as it seems and it’s never as bad as it seems.

We win yesterday and we almost did and now everyone is all in. Think abt that 2 or 3 plays has people on the ledge. Just do us all a favor and go ahead and jump!

 

[BigMotherTucker]

God I hope it's after 2020. Houston has the nuts to cut ties with Applewhite and upgrade their coach. But most of our fanbase thinks we need to give Joe more time to "rebuild". There was no reason to rebuild. None. He did this **** to himself.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Osiris Mitchell definitely got better this year.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Yep.... we also have the lowest paid assistant coaches in the SEC.

 

[Dawg1976]

Agree. But knowing how MSU has done business in the past, Moorhead will have to have a couple of losing years before changing coaches will be considered.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Mullen Salary $6.1 Million
Jimbo Salary $7.5 Million

Moorhead Salary $2.6 Million

It is starting to look like Cohen was just looking for a cheap coach. He (we) are going to lose a lot more than a couple of more million if this thing goes south. Donations and ticket sales can add up to a couple of million pretty fast.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Yep.... we also have the lowest paid assistant coaches in the SEC.

Isn't this on our AD? Mullen had us in a position to at least show we can compete. It will be even harder to find an experienced coach once the next couple of years go by. Are you telling me we couldn't come up with a million extra dollars or did we even try?

 

[Drewbowski]

Th idiots that are defending Moorhead now were defending Sherril in 2003.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

God I hope it's after 2020. Houston has the nuts to cut ties with Applewhite and upgrade their coach. But most of our fanbase thinks we need to give Joe more time to "rebuild". There was no reason to rebuild. None. He did this **** to himself.

yep!

 

[tbaydog]

Mullen Salary $6.1 Million
Jimbo Salary $7.5 Million

Moorhead Salary $2.6 Million

Thank You!!

 

[WutheringDawg]

Oh yeah, there are many and numerous areas where we regressed. I just went to see if there was anything that technically improved. This is NSFW but here’s some things that got worse.

Red zone attempts per game from 15th in the country to 84th.

In losses we were held to 280 ypg (Croomian)

Kick returning was a joke with three returns of 30+ yards on the season. 89th nationally.

Averaged 319 ypg in conference this year vs. 385 last year.

We were 5th in the country in time of possession in conference games in 2017 and 41st in 2018.

In losses we averaged 12 .4 first downs a game. Good for last in all of humanity for 2018.


I got tired, but there is so much more.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

We were paying Mullen over $4.5 million. He had two competitive games against Bama - blew them both; Could barely beat Arkansas and got destroyed by them once; and lost 3 of his last 4 to Ole Miss; because - and let me cap this like Trump - MULLEN WANTED OUT OF STARKVILLE. He was job hunting from 2012 on. Clocked out by the first week in November.

The question is why? I don't think it was money. He either wasn't a fit or he felt like he wasn't wanted. Coaches have an ego. You either stroke their egos or they'll find folks who will. Face it, few of us were all that excited about Dan. He was a damn yankee, stubborn, wouldn't work hard enough to suit us at recruiting and who didn't play well with the cigar boys/MSU Mafia/whatever you wanna call 'em.

He's gone now and I doubt we're getting a better coach any time soon. Let's hope Croomhead turns into MoorMullen or MoorSherrill before he gets shown the door or finds the way out of town.

 

[Dawgcap]

A&M finished their last 6 games at 4 and 2 with losses to auburn and us.

We finished our last 6 at 4 and 2 with losses to bama and iowa. With a win over A&M and Auburn.

Yesterday sucked all around but news flash.
Morehead didn’t drop the wide open TD that was thrown perfectly by a “non passing qb” who actually played pretty well.

He didn’t ask the refs to shaft us.

Do I have some concerns? Sure.

Same idiots talking abt morehead now were also bashing Mullen early on and up to the end.

It’s never as good as it seems and it’s never as bad as it seems.

We win yesterday and we almost did and now everyone is all in. Think abt that 2 or 3 plays has people on the ledge. Just do us all a favor and go ahead and jump!

I totally agree! Catch a couple balls this year and it’s a whole different conversation. Also up till 3 games ago this was one of Ferentz more penalizided teams. 2 losses people blamed on their holding calls. Against Nortwestern and Purdue.
I too have questions with coaching but at some points players have to make plays and officials have to make calls. Can’t be many teams in the country that played 2 teams with no penalties.

 

[Dawgcap]

Well here's the thing, Mullen and jimbo are a hell of a lot better than Moorhead

May be but if he was here this year I’d like to know when he would quit coaching and start looking to leave like the last 3 years. I love what he did but he used us to move on and you’re crazy if you think he would finish the job this year.

 

[Dawgcap]

Get what you pay for, I guess

Mullen made bank coaching 9-10 games a year his last 3 years

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Mullen: good coach but shitastic human

QUOTE=Dawgcap;1576534]Mullen made bank coaching 9-10 games a year his last 3 years[/QUOTE]

 

[Dawgcap]

Mullen: good coach but shitastic human

QUOTE=Dawgcap;1576534]Mullen made bank coaching 9-10 games a year his last 3 years

[/QUOTE]

Great coach who was ready to move on. If he was the coach of this team 3-4 years in I think we would of been nasty. But I don’t think he would get the same results in year 10. He wanted out and wouldn’t have the same fire as early in his career.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Th idiots that are defending Moorhead now were defending Sherril in 2003.

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