Yeah and immediately following that 3, the freshman he was trash talking buried a Trey as well, so still net loss of theytwo free throws.
For historical accuracy only
Obsession with officials
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For historical accuracy only
Exactly. I didn’t see the bad calls at all yesterday. If they cost us the game I would have been pissed.
They hosed us at OSU and home vs Iowa (only because were were the home team and got less than our share of calls instead of more than) but if we won I wouldn’t complain because they make mistakes just like we miss layups and foul shots.
Myles deserves better though.
Yeah and immediately following that 3, the freshman he was trash talking to buried one as well, so still net loss of the two free throws. For historical accuracy only.
My biggest problems with the refs is they seem to frequently call phantom fouls on Myles. When BTNs top analyst points this out, you know it's legit
For out of bounds plays, I’m pretty sure clock needs to be under 2:00 to trigger a potential review.
fouls evened-up by the end of the game because IU fouled INTENTIONALLY -
it was crap officiating again.
T on Baker was total garbage
and once again, even Bardo saw Myles getting hosed...
it was crap officiating again.
T on Baker was total garbage
and once again, even Bardo saw Myles getting hosed...
Well see, you're a good guy, so now I feel better too.I know I do.
Whining about Coach = Good. Whining about players = Good. Whining about refs = bad.
Gotcha!
First, this thread is about obsession with refs. Not about coaches or players.
Second, I’ve never said anything about it being good to whine about the coach or players. That’s all you, not me.
So whatever you think you’ve got with your “gotcha”, it sure ain’t me.
Obsessively complaining about every call in every game gets old quick. On the flip side, though, posters refusing to talk about officiating because it's supposed to be some verboten topic also gets old quick.
Officiating is an important part of the game, and their decisions impact nearly every possession - good and bad. It's just as much part of the game as player execution or coaching decisions. We talk about player performance all the time.... every thing a player does or doesn't do on the court, fans will break down and talk about. We talk about coaching performance all the time.... substitution decisions, whether Pike should/shouldn't call a timeout, how he should act toward officials, what we should focus on in practice, etc.
Talking about whether an official should/shouldn't have made a call, or how tight/loose a game is being called, or how good/bad a certain official is.... that should be just as fair game, but some people assign a stigma to it.
Saying "this ref is why we lost" or "officiating lost us this game", though, is like saying "this player is why we lost" or "bad rebounding lost us this game"... usually it's hyperbolic and a kneejerk reaction, laying all blame at the feet of one factor of a game, and ignoring all the other factors that combined to result in a loss.
Officiating is an important part of the game, and their decisions impact nearly every possession - good and bad. It's just as much part of the game as player execution or coaching decisions. We talk about player performance all the time.... every thing a player does or doesn't do on the court, fans will break down and talk about. We talk about coaching performance all the time.... substitution decisions, whether Pike should/shouldn't call a timeout, how he should act toward officials, what we should focus on in practice, etc.
Talking about whether an official should/shouldn't have made a call, or how tight/loose a game is being called, or how good/bad a certain official is.... that should be just as fair game, but some people assign a stigma to it.
Saying "this ref is why we lost" or "officiating lost us this game", though, is like saying "this player is why we lost" or "bad rebounding lost us this game"... usually it's hyperbolic and a kneejerk reaction, laying all blame at the feet of one factor of a game, and ignoring all the other factors that combined to result in a loss.
If the refs would stop the 2 fantasy calls on Myles each game I could live with them. Or if they gave the other teams big a couple fantasy fouls I could live with them. But it never seems to happen that way.
The call on Myles for reaching was bad...the T on Geo....again we don't really know what was said, however the worst call was the one on McConnell, where he got called for the foul when the IU player stepped on his foot. That was pathetic.
We just need to quit fouling 25 feet from the basket.
We just need to quit fouling 25 feet from the basket.
I agree completely.
If these teams are so "superior" to Rutgers why do they need help from the guys in the striped shirts ?
Yup.
I will say, though, that the call on McConnell, which pissed me off at the time when I saw the replay, could actually be considered a foul depending on the judgement of the ref. Two sections of the rules that might, arguably, support the refs call:
33.4 (last paragraph): Once the defensive player has established an initial legal guarding position, he may move to guard his opponent, but he may not extend his arms, shoulders, hips or legs to prevent the dribbler from passing by him.
34.1.1: A player shall not hold, block, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an opponent by extending his hand, arm, elbow, shoulder, hip, leg, knee or foot, nor by bending his body into an 'abnormal' position (outside his cylinder), nor shall he indulge in any rough or violent play
It's a judgement call, so it'll always be arguable. I've seen that exact use-case (dribbling player stepping on defenders foot) called and not-called at different times in different games over the years.
Would've liked to have seen a no-call this time. But that's my RU bias talking. Sometimes the calls just don't go your way. Other times they do (like when McConnell's travel went uncalled).
Avoiding dumb fouls near midcourt, or reach-in fouls that everybody knows often get called even when the reach-in results in no contact between the players, is all that can be done. It's the only thing that's in the player's control.
I agree with our fans (and Bardo) about how Myles is very unlucky in how refs "see" his play, often calling fouls on him that aren't called on other people. But there's really not much to do about those except work from the understanding that it means he has to be that much more diligent about avoiding the dumb fouls.
If, as a coach, you try to get him to adjust his style of play to be more controlled with his arms (or whatever might be sending a signal to the refs brain to blow the whistle on him), that's likely to backfire and take him entirely out of his game. You don't want players thinking too much, it just slows them up on the court.
I think Pike has done a very good job of player rotations such that, despite foul calls, our players rarely wind up in serious foul trouble. And I have no doubt he reviews "bad" fouls made by our players with them. Some people think he should be more vocal with the refs, but I think a quiet word in their ears is more effective than constantly nagging them (which winds up being tuned out). Doesn't satisfy fan lust for visible action, but accomplishes the same thing.
I think this is what happened after the OSU game (the bolded part) Between Harper and Young getting banged up and Myles, perhaps trying to play a little differently, so as not to foul out, threw them out of whack.
And not compounding mistakes by fouling. Turned the ball over? Got caught out of position on a cut to the basket? Don't then go and make it worse by committing a lazy foul by hugging the guy, or grabbing his arm... that takes discipline, but we definitely find moments where we make a mistake worse than it had to be.
Or situational things... liking fouling in the final seconds of the shot clock on a rushed or off balance shot.
And a ref clearly saw an Indy player foot on the line while drive by baseline before dishing...