NW Holding
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What would be interesting is if someone had the time to go back since 2011 see all the penalties called on Nebraska vs all the other schools. If one could prove an obvious agenda against Neb might be able to make a case. Until then every team across the country thinks ref target their teams. Yes, I agree it does seem that we get way less called on our opposition and way more called on us.
Kind of funny how you and others seem to focus on some mundane part of a post, instead of the main point.
I also noticed that allong made some good points, and asked a good question---and all he got in return were snide remarks and name-calling---while never actually answering question---
Why would conference officials have a bias against Nebraska---in only football to boot?
It appears that the graphic that you all bought hook, line, and sinker was wrong.
I would think the college football's "greatest fan base" would be better than that.
The Bias officiating. The Michigan St defender obviously forces the Nebraska player out of bounds with his back while your WR pushes off. LOL. Even your own announcers couldn't believe the call.
You get penalized a lot for the same reason you turn the ball over a lot. You are a horribly undisciplined football team.
But I honestly think you guys can get to 5 wins this year due to your AD making the brilliant move of replacing Troy with South Alabama and the fact that you continue to turn a blind eye to criminals. Remember when you did that for national titles, now you do it for 4 wins a year. Excuse me, maybe 5. Whatever it takes brother.
You get penalized a lot for the same reason you turn the ball over a lot. You are a horribly undisciplined football team.
But I honestly think you guys can get to 5 wins this year due to your AD making the brilliant move of replacing Troy with South Alabama and the fact that you continue to turn a blind eye to criminals. Remember when you did that for national titles, now you do it for 4 wins a year. Excuse me, maybe 5. Whatever it takes brother.
An earlier post had the stats on penalties between 2013 and 2017 (I think it was).
Ohio State had the most. Nebraska had the 2nd most, Maryland was 3rd, and Michigan State was 4th. The gap between Nebraska and MSU wasn't big---like 5 penalties out of almost 400. I'm not sure how one proves an agenda when a Big 10 blueblood is the worst, and another long-time conference member is 4th.
Apparently the "no holding calls for 2 years" graphic that everyone on here ate up was incorrect.
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I got a buddy who is a marketing professor at a smaller Midwest college. On the side, he and a collaborator did a study of penalties in EVERY FBS game for 20 yrs (ESPN has the data, they didn't look at the replays, just the statistics about how many, what type and when they were called). They took a list of identify "blue blood" programs (OSU, Mich, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc...there were 10 blue blood programs identify by ESPN is the early 2000s and yes, Nebraska was still on the list at that time).
Conclusions? Based on their study, they could find no bias for or against blue blood programs in terms of total penalties, when these penalties were called, or the severity of penalties. The populous has swore for years that Norte Dame, for instance, gets all the calls. They found no evidence to support this...
Conclusions? Based on their study, they could find no bias for or against blue blood programs in terms of total penalties, when these penalties were called, or the severity of penalties. The populous has swore for years that Norte Dame, for instance, gets all the calls. They found no evidence to support this...
It really gives the fan base a bad look when complaining about officiating occurs before the game is played.
No one is complaining about officiating in a game that hasn't been played yet, we are talking about the overall officiating in this conference since we joined. And I would say running to another teams message board to run you mouth is a much worse look.
Do you have any numbers validating your claims?
Yes, numbers have been provided, in this thread over and over. Sorry you chose to ignore them.
How do you know about the complaining of every fan base across the country?
Every fanbase complains. Saying something like Nebraska always complains, doesn't prove a thing. This is a stupid argument.
Defining the culture of a conference is a subjective point of view, yet you are compelled to use it as evidence.
Sure it is subjective. It is my opinion as to the why. But every team, organization, ect absolutely does have a culture.
To your point, if every fan base is complaining the same amount then wouldn’t that mean they are “screwed” as much as you? So which is it...did you lose because of poor officiating or did they lose from poor officiating?
This is so illogical it's astonishing. Every fan base does complain about officiating and calls, yes. No, the loser of a football game isn't becasue they were "screwed" and complaining doesn't prove anything.
Listen we have our reasons for the way we feel about this. They were explained and spelled out in this thread. I don't give a crap if trolls like you agree or not, but you should at least use a little common sense and logic.
He made no good points, at all. All his asinine questions were answered and no the graphic was not wrong.
But the rationale---the graphic shown during the Minnesota game---was apparently incorrect.
Nebraska had the most per game penalties and yards. This in itself doesn't prove anything, someone has to have the most. But using it as evidence that all is well is moronic. Just like the guy that used a game from last year in which the penalties were 9 to 1 as evidence that all is well. Come on.
Based on the posts I have read here, much of your (and other folks) rationale is based on a graphic during the Minnesota game that stated that Nebraska opponents had gone 2 years without a holding penalty being called. That graphic was incorrect.
Someone found that Penn State had been called for 3 holding penalties in the 2017 game, which is accurate. I did a quick check of the 2017 Wisconsin game. UW was called for 2 illegal blocks and 1 offensive hold on their first 2 possessions---so we're up to 4 offensive holding penalties by Husker opponents in just 2 games in 2017---never mind the ones committed prior to the Minnesota game in 2018 that were also documented.
Lastly---no one has ever answered the question as to why there would be a bias against Nebraska---especially when, based on a graphic on this thread, there are 4 schools that are about as equally bad at committing penalties.
Look for yourself....first 2 holdings are on Penn State's first and third possessions. The 3rd is later.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400935415
2017 Wisconsin---they get called for holding on their 2nd possession.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400935373
The graphic was wrong. No way around it.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400935415
2017 Wisconsin---they get called for holding on their 2nd possession.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400935373
The graphic was wrong. No way around it.
No one can answer the question about bias against Nebraska because it can’t be proven. I waded in to this discussion because of the BTN graphic. If it was wrong than bias becomes even harder to prove.
I do believe if a team demonstrates a lack of discipline, refs tend to pick up on that and throw the flag quicker than on teams that are more disciplined. As a result, some teams like Northwestern may get the benefit of the doubt while Nebraska may get penalized for ticky-tack fouls. I don’t think that’s bias, but I do believe it happens and it gets frustrating when penalties are thrown because Nebraska is more penalty-prone.
It will take some time and disciplined play for Nebraska to break out of this.
again, opposing fan base trolls, hear me well, I am not claiming bias. Just sharing what I see.
I do believe if a team demonstrates a lack of discipline, refs tend to pick up on that and throw the flag quicker than on teams that are more disciplined. As a result, some teams like Northwestern may get the benefit of the doubt while Nebraska may get penalized for ticky-tack fouls. I don’t think that’s bias, but I do believe it happens and it gets frustrating when penalties are thrown because Nebraska is more penalty-prone.
It will take some time and disciplined play for Nebraska to break out of this.
again, opposing fan base trolls, hear me well, I am not claiming bias. Just sharing what I see.
The rationale is what we see and feel and what we were told before we even came to the conference. We watch, see photos of and talk about blatant holds, etc that aren't called on our opponents, and at the end of the day penalties are something like 9 to 1. We have tried to explain why and show some stats to back it up. You don't have to agree.
As to why, who knows. There may not be a why, it could just be a coincidence, like you believe. I believe it is because of the culture of the conference, the Big Ten is a good ole boys club. We are not a respected member and aren't treated as such. Many PSU fans still feel the same way. We could all be wrong, but that is my theory. No matter what the troll earlier in the thread tells you, we did not have this problem in the Big 8 or the Big 12 (minus the last year, which is pretty understandable, all things considered).
According to this research - Between 2015-2017 there have been 15 holding calls against Nebraska opponents in big ten play
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/b1g-offensive-holding-statistics-harbaugh-era-updated-play
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/b1g-offensive-holding-statistics-harbaugh-era-updated-play
Yep, I agree, but the premise for my name calling was his unwillingness to accept the “fact” the graphic portrayed, which was my undoing.
Damn BTN.
What I got from the troll as you call him/her is that Nebraska was averaging 10 penalties per game heading into the NW game while NW was averaging 3 penalties per contest--which would be a differential of 7 penalties per game
To me, he/she makes a valid point. Kind of hard to say it's biased officiating during that game when they both got called for nearly their season average up to that game. Heck---I'll even concede that they missed one on NW, so maybe it should have been 9 to 2, but the point still stands. NW is one of the least penalized teams over the course of a season--not just against Nebraska--going back several seasons. Nebraska was also only called for 1 offensive holding penalty against NW last year. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that they missed a bunch of holds by NW, but didn't miss any against Nebraska.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=401013340
As far as the good ole boys club---then why was Ohio State penalized more, and Michigan State almost as much?
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I found the graphic and will try to post it. It wasn't BTN and it wasn't wrong, it was our memory of the graphic. The graphic states "First penalty called on NEB conference Opponent on Pass Plays in Last 21 Games". But it won't matter. If someone justs want to troll and flame, no stats or rationale or graphic will change that. The fact is we are on the wrong side of this. As to why, probably alot of things. We do not get the benefit of the doubt in this conference and we have been undisciplined and undermanned at times. It is all very frustrating.
You can disagree, I really don't care, But using a game in which the penalties are 9 to 1 as you proof, is stupid. And no, Ohio State isn't penalized the most. They are middle of the pack in per game penalties. They appear at the top in total penalties, because they play in the Conference Championship every year (more games).
Maybe, but using 9 to 1 as proof of bias is also stupid, when they came into that game at 10 and 3 on the season.
Ok---then take OSU out. Michigan State is still up there with Nebraska. I realize they aren't a charter member (neither was OSU), but this is their 70th football season as a Big 10 member. So, is the conference biased against Maryland and Michigan State as well?
An average of 10 penalties per game vs 3 penalties per game entering the contest is “something like” 3.33 (NOT 9 to 1). Math is hard when you don’t have a proper education system in Nebraska I realize, but that’s simple stuff.
Speaking of, “...on pass plays...” is a clear qualifier you missed. It’s called reading comprehension. Should’ve been on those standardized tests you failed.
Beyond that you’ve got it nailed I think.
The penalties in that game were literally 9 for Nebraska and 1 for Northwestern. So tell me again about your amazing education, your knowledge and you reading comprehension...............
https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=401013340
Better luck with your next account.
The post was based off the average of 10 for Nebraska vs 3 for northwestern going into the game. Allong69 gave the data/argument. Then it jumped to SEE 9 times more than our opponents!! On average it’s 3 times more, because you were 3 times less disciplined
Snarkiness aside, when are teams flagged for holding most of the time? Your football comprehension is lacking if you don’t understand the lion’s share of holding calls occur on pass plays.
Ok, but I said the game was 9 to 1 and it was exactly 9 to 1. Which you tried to dispute.
It's OK trolling, isn't for everybody.
No. Those teams, on average, are penalized 10 and 3 times. His point, which you can't even comprehend, is that those averages (for Nebraska and NW) aren't that far off from what actually happened. In that game it WAS 9 to 1. Your tiny brain is confusing one game with all games. We are not penalized 3 times more in all games, that is just the average for NU and NW, and no I didn't say we are penalized 9 times more than our opponents, I said it was 9 to 1 in that game, which is a fact.
Yet, you’re not too busy to repeatedly show up on a Husker message board. Huskersalts and headscard are dead on.....some of you Ioway tools are so obsessed it’s hilarious. You’re are right, Nebraska hasn’t done jack **** in twenty years, yet some of you asshats are still more concerned about Nebraska than your own team at times.
I literally can’t tell you the last time I visited the Iowa board....because, we’ll....I just don’t give a F about Iowa.
Maybe if you guys actually had a defense, and the defensive line wasn’t getting pushed back ten yards every play you would actually be able to get a holding call.