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John Henry

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Since 2015 Cal is 26-33 against ranked teams. Is that anything to do with coaching?
This is painful to read. Calipari coaches at the University of Kentucky for God's sake. 26-33 against ranked teams is pathetic. For Kentucky it is unforgiveable.
 
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Ultimately this team IMO just doesn't have the players and talent to be considered anywhere near where they need to be.

Having said that, the coach recruits these players and puts together the team. The coach also is responsible for the lineup and who is playing and it's been discussed ad nauseum here that we aren't even playing our optimal lineup. Like at all.

Cal goes as his recruiting classes go.
 
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know1

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Ultimately this team IMO just doesn't have the players and talent to be considered anywhere near where they need to be.

Having said that, the coach recruits these players and puts together the team. The coach also is responsible for the lineup and who is playing and it's been discussed ad nauseum here that we aren't even playing our optimal lineup. Like at all.

Cal goes as his recruiting classes go.
How can you say that? This team most definitely has the talent to be top 5 or 10 with even just a decent coach who actually cares.
 
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How can you say that? This team most definitely has the talent to be top 5 or 10 with even just a decent coach who actually cares.

Do you honestly believe that?
I mean look at the game last night. At the end of the game what was the difference? KU had a go to guy that made shots down the stretch?

Who is that on this team? We have Oscar and IMO a bunch of guys that are good role players.

And this isn't any disrespect on our guys but just thinking about what we used to have. Wall, Cousins, Towns, Booker, Davis etc etc etc. I mean we haven't seen that in quite some time here.
 

know1

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Do you honestly believe that?
I mean look at the game last night. At the end of the game what was the difference? KU had a go to guy that made shots down the stretch?

Who is that on this team? We have Oscar and IMO a bunch of guys that are good role players.

And this isn't any disrespect on our guys but just thinking about what we used to have. Wall, Cousins, Towns, Booker, Davis etc etc etc. I mean we haven't seen that in quite some time here.
And Cal couldn't win championships with most of those guys either.

We made no adjustments to shut down Kansas' go to player either, unless you count relaxing off of him enough to give him an opening. That's coaching.
 
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I believe Mick Cronin said it best
They really only have Oscar, if you stop him, they struggle to score.

No coach is coaching this team to where we want to go.
 

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And Cal couldn't win championships with most of those guys either.

We made no adjustments to shut down Kansas' go to player either, unless you count relaxing off of him enough to give him an opening. That's coaching.
KU didn't run anything like we did down the stretch like Toppin's 17ft fall away or his inexplicable post up charge. They put the ball in their AAs hands.
 

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KU didn't run anything like we did down the stretch like Toppin's 17ft fall away or his inexplicable post up charge. They put the ball in their AAs hands.
We didn't run anything. We never do.

Kansas did run specific plays/strategies.

We may be saying the same thing.
 
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John Henry

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How can you say that? This team most definitely has the talent to be top 5 or 10 with even just a decent coach who actually cares.
Not too long ago, pre-season, people were saying the Cats were Top 5 with a great shot to win #9. Then they had to play the games.

The talent is certainly there and if it is not, the people judging these players are full of crap. We have seen this before. Highly rated pre-season then the games begin and.......
 
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lol I'm on a Facebook group page St Johns Fans. And I scroll today and there's a pic of Cal and a post "We need to bring this guy here"

LOL.
 
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Ultimately this team IMO just doesn't have the players and talent to be considered anywhere near where they need to be.

Having said that, the coach recruits these players and puts together the team. The coach also is responsible for the lineup and who is playing and it's been discussed ad nauseum here that we aren't even playing our optimal lineup. Like at all.

Cal goes as his recruiting classes go.
He hasn't been to a final 4 in 7 seasons and we sure are making it this season.Is it always the recruiting or is it time to finally look at the coach?
 

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It's the recruiting and it's all on Cal. I don't know how he can say players first when we don't have players. Wheeler shouldn't play a minute but who do we have to play?

Definitely poor subbing yesterday with the players we do have. Livingston should have played more. Wheeler less. Frederick less. Thiero certainly should be getting clock. Did Collins get in at all?

He puts Wheeler in the game and Kansas completely changes their offense to pick and roll. Top of the key pick and roll, side pick and roll. Oscar, Toppin nor Wheeler can guard any position. Throw pick and rolls at them and it's over.

We don't have the players and then we don't use the players that we do have to minimize their weaknesses.
 

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Since 2015 Cal is 26-33 against ranked teams. Is that anything to do with coaching?
As I see it.

Generally recruits athletes, not skills, and then loses most of his players after 1-2 seasons.

Poor judgment with lineups and substitutions.

Slow to recognize and correct tactical problems.

Won't consider offensive or defensive alternatives. Won't press or play zone, even just to change pace. Won't do what is necessary for better spacing. Won't take advantage of the transition game.
 
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