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fredmanthecatfan

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Players protesting not getting paid.
I can see this working out great....... for the G League.
Players wanting to meet with Emmert, Crazy Uncle Joe, Congress, even the SCOTUS. All to talk about getting paid.
Both sides need to tread lightly.
I could see it going badly.
Players being focused on the money sports generate. Admin focusing on free education, and the value of said education.
G League licking their chops. College sports fans on the other hand........

Thing is, does anyone watch the G league?
Unless you live in one of those cities, why?
 
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TankedCat

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I think they should as well, but I don't see any way to keep it under control. It won't start with college, it will start with AAU, you'll have kids being recruited that have already made $50K, $100K off their likeness and they'll demand the college they go to put together a compensation package that will beat the G-League, then they'll start comparing what other players made - I'm ranked higher than player X was last year and he made $275K at Georgetown, how much will I make going to your school.

sounds like a nightmare to me.

and that doesn't even touch on schools laundering money thru fake revenue schemes to pay the players, disgruntled teammates who perform better than the "star" player getting paid while they live on ramen and a host of other toxic issues I am not thinking of now.

players should be able to make money, but the auditing, compliance and equity associated with it would be a giant burden to the schools, the NCAA and ultimately I believe it would hurt college athletics. Add to it that college programs would also have to develop and pay for a marketing program that creates revenue streams for players. Not only will you have a $8m a year coach, you'll have a $6m a year player marketing director. The reason he is paid so well is because the players are no longer coming to the program because of the coach, they are coming because the marketing will get them well into 6 figures revenue.

Hell just look at what the OAD focus has done to Kentucky. Wins? yes. Fan Excitement about the program, not so much. Now we're going to invite them to be income focused and demand to be compensated more than the professors who teach them?

Ugh
 
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chroix said:
I wonder how many peoples opinions would change if it was them who were being told they couldn’t get paid to do a job that makes their programs a ton of money. Scholarships break down to a minimum wage job when you factor in school as part of the work that has to be accomplished.
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not as many as you think. 1. they don't have to do it, its a free country - take their talents to play basketball as a 17 year old into the market place and see what they earn. 70% of them would be working in the service sector (flipping burgers). 2. many kids would say, I get to play basketball and get a free education? thank you Mississippi Valley State for giving me this opportunity. We only focus on the 125 or so kids that fill in the very rare air of big time college athletes at a big time school, not the remaining 3800 kids that play college basketball and would have very little to no income from basketball related sources. Most of those programs don't make the kind of money that people think and a good number of them are in the red.
 
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TankedCat said:
not as many as you think. 1. they don't have to do it, its a free country - take their talents to play basketball as a 17 year old into the market place and see what they earn. 70% of them would be working in the service sector (flipping burgers). 2. many kids would say, I get to play basketball and get a free education? thank you Mississippi Valley State for giving me this opportunity. We only focus on the 125 or so kids that fill in the very rare air of big time college athletes at a big time school, not the remaining 3800 kids that play college basketball and would have very little to no income from basketball related sources.
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because these kids have a good perspective on what their talents are worth right?
 
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chroix said:
because these kids have a good perspective on what their talents are worth right?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Its does suck that college athletics has turned into such a monster that programs make tens of millions of dollar in revenue and the NCAA hasn't figured out a way to be more equitable to the players, but if there is an opportunity for a player to make money somewhere else besides college playing basketball they should do it, and leave the college experience for the true amateur.
 
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TankedCat

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I would try to consider ways to make it win/win for the athlete at the school, as well as being equitable for all parties.

I would look at something like this

Have the team earn money - all likeness, everything from the star player to bake sale money from the walk on - all the money goes into an earned revenue pool, to be paid equally to players in December of their Senior year. Each year the money is totaled for all players and each player is told their "earnings" for that year. So they have a running total at all times.

the walk on gets paid the same amount as the star player. If the player leaves due to transfer or goes pro before then they forfeit the pooled money.

Now we're asking a player how committed they are to the program and the overall college experience. Players would really have to be certain they are pro material or unhappy before they leave and walk away from potentially 250/300K bundle of money waiting on them. No college would be allowed to distribute funds to players under any other circumstances.

College is a team sport, players should benefit from the team, not being an individual.
 
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uky8unc5 said:
My son was given a 4 year degree that was valued at $143,000 (Tuition, Fees, Housing, Meals, Books).

Demanding $$ Pay is Entitlement Horseshxt.

But...restricting individual athletes from profiting from their Fame? That's Equine Excrement too.
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Lol imagine thinking that the 4 year degree is actually worth 143,000 dollars. That’s insane.
 
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chroix said:
I wonder how many peoples opinions would change if it was them who were being told they couldn’t get paid to do a job that makes their programs a ton of money. Scholarships break down to a minimum wage job when you factor in school as part of the work that has to be accomplished.
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Oh I don't know...like every accountant a top 10 firm, how about all the employees at Amazon, Google, etc....those companies are worth billions. Maybe every Gov't worker that brings in Trillions in taxes, etc..

Welcome to real world.
 
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I think you could make an argument that in college basketball the quality of the game would improve without these players.

While UK and Duke get star players, of the ones they get, so few of them produce at a level that is beneficial to the program as a whole the overall is a net negative.

I personally would rather have a Senior Darius Miller or DeAndre Liggins than a freshmen Kevin Knox or Shai Alexander.

Pushing more of these kids to the G-League to get paid solves 4 problems - 1. the paying players issue is marginalized, 2. player retention improves noticeably and 3. the quality of the game improves - not immediately but 3-4 years down the road you will have much better fundamental basketball being played, 4. fan connection to the program is improved.
 
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TankedCat said:
worth - that is debatable, what it costs if you were to fund it on your own? that much and easily more at private schools.
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At Harvard or Yale. Most people won't pay close to that for an undergraduate degree. Hell, I didn't even pay half of that much for my law degree.
 
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TankedCat said:
I think you could make an argument that in college basketball the quality of the game would improve without these players.

While UK and Duke get star players, of the ones they get, so few of them produce at a level that is beneficial to the program as a whole the overall is a net negative.

I personally would rather have a Senior Darius Miller or DeAndre Liggins than a freshmen Kevin Knox or Shai Alexander.

Pushing more of these kids to the G-League to get paid solves 4 problems - 1. the paying players issue is marginalized, 2. player retention improves noticeably and 3. the quality of the game improve - not immediately but 3-4 years down the road you had much better fundamental basketball being played, 4. fan connection to the program is improved.
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I am leaning more and more like this every day. UK would have been much better this year had players like Boston never set foot on campus. The One and Done model is done.
 
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fredmanthecatfan said:
Players protesting not getting paid.
I can see this working out great....... for the G League.
Players wanting to meet with Emmert, Crazy Uncle Joe, Congress, even the SCOTUS. All to talk about getting paid.
Both sides need to tread lightly.
I could see it going badly.
Players being focused on the money sports generate. Admin focusing on free education, and the value of said education.
G League licking their chops. College sports fans on the other hand........

Thing is, does anyone watch the G league?
Unless you live in one of those cities, why?
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It’s pretty obvious that most people on this thread don’t understand the potential impact from the Name, Image and Likeness legislation, particularly to a school like UK.
 
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chroix said:
I wonder how many peoples opinions would change if it was them who were being told they couldn’t get paid to do a job that makes their programs a ton of money. Scholarships break down to a minimum wage job when you factor in school as part of the work that has to be accomplished.
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Let me get my violin.

A 1 year bball scholly at UK is worth at least $250k/yr, probably more. How many burgers do you have to flip to earn $250,000? 🤔
 
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fredmanthecatfan said:
Players protesting not getting paid.
I can see this working out great....... for the G League.
Players wanting to meet with Emmert, Crazy Uncle Joe, Congress, even the SCOTUS. All to talk about getting paid.
Both sides need to tread lightly.
I could see it going badly.
Players being focused on the money sports generate. Admin focusing on free education, and the value of said education.
G League licking their chops. College sports fans on the other hand........

Thing is, does anyone watch the G league?
Unless you live in one of those cities, why?
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They get paid a stipend. You mean they want to get paid more?
 
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