#Not NCAA property

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BourbonBalz

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There has been zero parity in college football for decades. Less parity in college basketball would be great for UK. Still dont think it will change much, every P5 school has the resources to "get" their players....and the blue bloods will get more than their fair share as usual
Let them make money and it would get far worse. The blue bloods would get every top player because that’s where they’d make the most money. It would destroy the sport.
 
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BigBlueFanGA

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The only thing that makes them bad actors is the arbitrary ncaa rule. Without that rule, the whole thing sounds a lot like free market capitalism.
So the only thing that defines any bad actor is that arbitrary rule they're breaking? Got it.
 
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BourbonBalz

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Is an engineering student prevented from making money off of his name, image, or likeness?
I’m sure there’s a great demand for engineering students’ autographs! Oh wait, they could be in the Engineering Students Sexy Calendar! LOL. At least bring somewhat of a valid argument.
 
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FanofUK

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The main question is, will they refuse to play the tournament? I seriously doubt it.
 

TigerMoving

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Let them make money and it would get far worse. The blue bloods would get every top player because that’s where they’d make the most money. It would destroy the sport.
But the blue bloods basically already have full rosters of high 4-5 stars. Cade Cunningham would have still gone to OK St. Trae Young would have still gone to Oklahoma. Cooper would have still gone to Auburn. All P5 schools have oodles of boosters and resources. Factors like playing time, liking the coaches, proximity to home will still be the deciding factors. We will be able to out bid the G-league now though.
 

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But the blue bloods basically already have full rosters of high 4-5 stars. Cade Cunningham would have still gone to OK St. Trae Young would have still gone to Oklahoma. Cooper would have still gone to Auburn. All P5 schools have oodles of boosters and resources. Factors like playing time, liking the coaches, proximity to home will still be the deciding factors. We will be able to out bid the G-league now though.
Well, you’re wrong but that’s OK. Players would NOT make the same money at Ok. State, Auburn, or Oklahoma. They just wouldn’t. And the little guys would never be able to get the better re ruins then. They do get some now, but that would be over.
 

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Let’s say tuition is $12k, rooming is $10k, food is $2k, books and miscellaneous is another $2k - that’s $100k for a basic 4 year degree at an affordable state school. Now tuition Michigan is $32k
Room and board isn't actually close to that much. You can split an apt on campus for roughly 400 per person. That usually includes utilities and internet. That's only 4800 per year. And trust me, wildcat coal lodge isn't nice enough to be levying those kind of fees.

I don't know what books your kids need, but mine were less than a 1000 per year. Buy them used or rent them for the semester. A lot of classes you didn't even need them.
 

TigerMoving

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Well, you’re wrong but that’s OK. Players would NOT make the same money at Ok. State, Auburn, or Oklahoma. They just wouldn’t. And the little guys would never be able to get the better re ruins then. They do get some now, but that would be over.
I hope you are right bc I would love to see us get several top 10 guys every year again
 

BigBlueFanGA

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But the blue bloods basically already have full rosters of high 4-5 stars. Cade Cunningham would have still gone to OK St. Trae Young would have still gone to Oklahoma. Cooper would have still gone to Auburn. All P5 schools have oodles of boosters and resources. Factors like playing time, liking the coaches, proximity to home will still be the deciding factors. We will be able to out bid the G-league now though.
Actually, you don't know any of that. Cade went there because they bought his brother. Its a perfect example of what would happen if boosters could lure players. Its called a bidding war. Most of the top kids would go where the money is. They already know they can make the NBA with any coach.
 

BourbonBalz

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Is any student other than an athlete prevented from making money?
Athletes aren’t prohibited from making money. They can get a summer job. UK players used to do it all the time in the past, but most aren’t interested in that today. They just can’t make money related to athletics. Tell me how another student is going to make money besides working for it. I’ll wait.
 
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TigerMoving

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Actually, you don't know any of that. Cade went there because they bought his brother. Its a perfect example of what would happen if boosters could lure players. Its called a bidding war. Most of the top kids would go where the money is. They already know they can make the NBA with any coach.
Do you realize how much money OK St has? How high do you imagine this bidding war going? OK St could throw millions at him without blinking. They would match anything UK or any blue blood offered....and thus, the decision would come down to other factors, like where his brother coaches
 

ManitouDan_anon

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I find it funny that admin focuses solely on the money 99% of the time, right up until the players want a piece of the pie. College sports, football and basketball, are the most unamerican systems economically speaking.

People that don't want athletes to be paid market value must believe in communist economic philosophies. No way would a capitalist support denying labor the right to earn their worth.


They are paid , tuition is insanely high , they get meals, clothes , shoes , plush rooms . And they are STUDENT-athletes . They can get paid if desired -- go pro stud , the G league awaits .
 

RolandSchitt

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The $144K figure is not off by much. See attached link. It suggests that annual cost of attendance for in-state student is $31K X 4 = $124K. For an out-of-state resident, it is $50K per year X 4 = $200,000.

Tuition and Fees | UK Student Financial Aid and Scholarships (uky.edu)
That's giving you the highest possible outcome. Housing for instance isn't close to that 13,000 figure. That would cover a lot of annual mortgages. You can get a nice apartment with roommates for 400-500 a month, including untilities and internet. You can do college much cheaper than 100,000 grand. Even at good schools.
 

BourbonBalz

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Why and how?
OK. Simple economics. If you allow players to make $ on autographs, pictures, endorsements, etc., where do you think they’re going to make the most money? At UK, Duke UNC, Kansas, etc. They have the biggest and most passionate fanbases and will pay for that stuff. Those schools already have huge recruiting advantages. Add money to the equation and you might as well reduce the NCAAT to 12-16 teams. Common sense.
 

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Many of you are mired in the weeds on this and missing the true point here. Some of you have touched on it.

I've been saying this for years. The question boils down to amateurism. Major college sports is a ruse, a fallacy, a false representation of what is really going on and it's been this way for decades. They have been making billions off of this ruse and the athletes involved in it. The NCAA and these schools are lying when they imply these high-level athletes are amateurs. They are misrepresenting many of them as even being students.

These institutions have been banking (literally) on the fans to overlook this little detail and keep watching and spending money on the pastime they love so much.

Look at UK, especially the last 12 years. We're the poster program for 'hiring' mercenaries to short-term gigs. There are many others, of course, that do what they can to get these NBA hopefuls signed up for Social Studies classes as well.

I'm not thrilled about this reality, but I call 'em like I see 'em. It is what it is...but this is what it is. The band aid is about to come off and things will never be the same again.
 
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Athletes aren’t prohibited from making money. They can get a summer job. UK players used to do it all the time in the past, but most aren’t interested in that today. They just can’t make money related to athletics. Tell me how another student is going to make money besides working for it. I’ll wait.
Can the other students make money in their field of study? Can a student on a mathematics scholarship go to work at an accounting firm? The rules should be the same across the board.
 
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TigerMoving

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Would you love to see the sport destroyed? The NCAAT might as well just be 12-16 teams then.
Uh if it means UK gets more elite players and wins more games then the sport will be better than ever from my perspective. Do Alabama and Clemson fans get mad bc they are "destroying" college football?
 

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Do you realize how much money OK St has? How high do you imagine this bidding war going? OK St could throw millions at him without blinking. They would match anything UK or any blue blood offered....and thus, the decision would come down to other factors, like where his brother coaches
I don’t think we’re talking about boosters just paying players. I pray it never devolves to that. We’re talking about selling autographs, pictures, endorsements, etc. The money for these things will be with the blue bloods. It’s not even in question.
 

BourbonBalz

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Uh if it means UK gets more elite players and wins more games then the sport will be better than ever from my perspective. Do Alabama and Clemson fans get mad bc they are "destroying" college football?
Well, they’re not. They’re beating everyone’s *** but not because their players are selling merchandise. And no, I dont want college basketball to change from what it is/was. Your attitude seems to reflect a scorched earth policy in that you don’t care what happens to the sport as long as we win. Whatever floats your boat, but that would eventually destroy the sport.
 

EliteBlue

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There is no reason they shouldn't be able to make money off their name. Autographs, social media, ads, clothing, etc. Now, actual compensation for playing- nope.
This. If they want a shoe deal they can have a shoe deal. Make a rule that allows players to wear any brand regardless of what the university is sponsored by to try to take the Adidas/Nike influence out. The brand that sponsors the University is only on the jersey and what not. If they want an agent they can have that. etc etc.

But they are already getting a free tuition, room, food, and at places like UK they have team chefs and barbers and world class athletics trainers and physical therapist etc. They are taken care of just fine. If the tuition doesn't mean anything bc they have zero care about education then go play overseas or in the GLeague for a year.

At the end of the day it is COLLEGE athletics so that free tuition is a legitimate payment. It is there decision if they leave early bc a better opportunity presents itself financially, however if they stay that is 100k+ they saved while getting a degree.
 

BourbonBalz

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Can the other students make money in their field of study? Can a student on a mathematics scholarship go to work at an accounting firm? The rules should be the same across the board.
How many boosters are offering math students money to come to their university? It comes down to fairness (at least to some extent) in recruiting. I can’t believe it’s that difficult for some to understand. Athletes are different from regular students because of recruiting and the dirty business it is.
 

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How many boosters are offering math students money to come to their university? It comes down to fairness (at least to some extent) in recruiting. I can’t believe it’s that difficult for some to understand. Athletes are different from regular students because of recruiting and the dirty business it is.
3 posts back you said we weren't talking about boosters paying players.
 

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I’d never buy an NIL product of any college athlete or pro for that matter.

Here’s a solution.

You can take a scholarship and not have access to NIL

OR

You can pay your own way to school and make whatever you can off NIL
 
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So who is going to negotiate a likeness deal for a player? The college? You don’t think the players will be mad at the athletic department if player A gets a better deal then B did? And if a school gets involved then suddenly there are Title 9 issues revolving around favoritism from the school toward men.

So not the school. But you cannot let an 18 YO or his unprepared family try to work his own deal. He would get screwed royally into some lifetime contract.

How about we let them get agents? Is that what you want? Now all of a sudden someone else is chirping at the coach demanding more PT and more shots.

And don’t be fooled into thinking because UK and Duke and a handful of other schools have the top name recognition that they will take all of top 30 players who are marketable.

First off, there won’t be 30 nationally marketable players. Maybe five to ten and they will all want to be The Guy at one of the top ten schools. So UK will get one. And the rest? Well all of a sudden ST Johns and Seton Hall and DePaul and Northwestern and UCLA and Houston and Maryland and Georgetown and Nova and ASU and Ga Tech and Cal and Stanford and UW who all have the big local TV markets will all have big money waving at those kids. More money than you can get running car lot ads at WLEX.

This will not be about selling a few AD jerseys or Zion-branded exploding shoes on Amazon.
 
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TigerMoving

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Well, they’re not. They’re beating everyone’s *** but not because their players are selling merchandise. And no, I dont want college basketball to change from what it is/was. Your attitude seems to reflect a scorched earth policy in that you don’t care what happens to the sport as long as we win. Whatever floats your boat, but that would eventually destroy the sport.
Oops forgot we are supposed to be pretending like these kids aren't already being paid by boosters lol
 

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That's giving you the highest possible outcome. Housing for instance isn't close to that 13,000 figure. That would cover a lot of annual mortgages. You can get a nice apartment with roommates for 400-500 a month, including untilities and internet. You can do college much cheaper than 100,000 grand. Even at good schools.
As someone paying the bills on a student currently in college at an SEC school, the housing is very close to $13K. Its $11,500 a year. And that's on a 4 person shared suite which is pretty standard today.

You are now substituting cheaper alternatives to what college actually costs, you have to compare apples to apples.
 
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This can all be settled by letting the players, who want to, go to the G League, or the NBA out of high school. In fact, if a kid wants to go to either, prior to graduating, and his parents approved, let him go to the G League. Forcing a player to go to college for one year, basically accomplishes nothing, if he doesn't want to be there.
We have diluted the education system so much, where students can get a degree, that is basically worthless. The only thing a lot of them can say is, "I graduated from college." How many athletes in football and basketball have a degree in science, math, pre med, and other hard courses. Not many! Before you start criticizing me for the truth, I am not saying their not smart enough, because they are. They just don't have the time with all the practice and other constraints on their time. How many of the athletes that are "One and Done," take hard courses. In fact, a player could enroll, go to class very little, and still be eligible for the one year he is in college. A lot of teachers will pass good athletes, regardless of whether their doing the work, or not. Some on here will say, "You don't know what your talking about," but I do, and that's just the way it is.
Last year, on a bet with my Grand daughter, who is a teacher in Louisville, bet me I couldn't teach the kids today. She said, "Papaw, they would run you off." I said, "We will see about that."
I did substitute teaching last year, in high school, about 2 days a week, and enjoyed it. It didn't pay much, but I was not in it for the money. I did enjoy it! Will I do it again, probably not.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY
 

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As someone paying the bills on a student currently in college at an SEC school, the housing is very close to $13K. Its $11,500 a year. And that's on a 4 person shared suite which is pretty standard today.

You are now substituting cheaper alternatives to what college actually costs, you have to compare apples to apples.
That is literally apples to apples. Currently, at UK, to live in a 4 person suite in Baldwin Hall is 3979 a semester. That isn't even 8 grand a year. You can opt for a deluxe suite or 2 person or single, but those do cost more and are personal options. All of those options are more expensive than getting your own housing. Which is why most all UK football players take their housing allowance and do just that.

If you are paying that much, I would advise investing in a property near campus and letting your child live there for school. Then you can sell it or rent it after. If she has friends she wants to live with, rent the extra rooms to them to cover the mortgage payment. All you would be out is the initial down payment, which you could recoup later.

If I was paying that kind of money to a school, I definitely wouldn't have a problem with them giving it back to students. Even if they are athletes.