No WILLIS No Win

JayCatz44

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Nobody said he was.

He does however provide better toughness and rebounding than most of the guys Cal hitched his wagon to today.

I'm also surprised we didn't see Humphries.
You sure? Many act as if Willis is some basketball God. Willis has shown little toughness this season unless you count going up against mid-majors. He would have made no difference.
 

poppycat

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You sure? Many act as if Willis is some basketball God. Willis has shown little toughness this season unless you count going up against mid-majors. He would have made no difference.

We have played mid-majors that were better than OSU at that time. Willis is not great, but one thing about Willis is , he does not sleep walk on the floor, that is if he is given more than a few seconds at a time.
If you're going to lose. lose with lesser talent that really shows a desire to play and give an effort.
 

kyups01

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POY needs to take a dump or get off the pot, it's getting old never ever knowing what ur gonna get from him. Please no knee surgery comments....he was the same exact way long before it.
 
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UK90

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Please know knee surgery comments....he was the same exact way long before it.

This. I must say, I tend to laugh at the way some of our fans re-process the same worn out apologetic excuses for players over and over and over.... Even when they really no longer apply.

For Poy, the go to spin-doctor excuse has become "well, he had knee surgery..." Of course, they neglect to mention that he had that surgery more than a year ago, which should be more than enough time for any player to rehab and recover, and that the problems he's having this year are the exact same problems he had BEFORE the knee injury.
 
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kyups01

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This. I must say, I tend to laugh at the way some of our fans re-process the same worn out apologetic excuses for players over and over and over.... Even when they really no longer apply.

For Poy, the knee-jerk spin-doctor apologist excuse has become "well, he had knee surgery..." Of course, they neglect to mention that he had that surgery more than a year ago, which should be more than enough time for any player to rehab and recover, and that the problems he's having this year are the exact same problems he had BEFORE the knee injury.
Sorry I mean "no knee"
 

kyups01

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This. I must say, I tend to laugh at the way some of our fans re-process the same worn out apologetic excuses for players over and over and over.... Even when they really no longer apply.

For Poy, the knee-jerk spin-doctor apologist excuse has become "well, he had knee surgery..." Of course, they neglect to mention that he had that surgery more than a year ago, which should be more than enough time for any player to rehab and recover, and that the problems he's having this year are the exact same problems he had BEFORE the knee injury.

That and the knees come back even stronger than pre injury they say in some cases
 

kybassfan

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This. I must say, I tend to laugh at the way some of our fans re-process the same knee jerk excuses for players over and over and over.... Even when they really no longer apply.

For Poy the go-to spin doctor apologist excuse has become "well, he had knee surgery..." Of course, they neglect to mention that he had that surgery more than a year ago, which should be more than enough time for any player to rehab and recover, and that the problems he's having this year are the exact same problems he had BEFORE the knee injury.

Yeah, 'em thar ACLs heal in a couple a days. Only 'em wussy boys take a year. You oughter go set at thar Poy boy strait. Right up in at thar wussy boys face. Stick at chin out and tell'em. (Somebody call 911)

Please. Do some research before making such stupid posts. I really hope that was intended as sarcasm as the entire premise suggests profound ignorance.
 
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A better question would be, what does Skal give us over Willis or Humphries?
Agreed. Skal is giving us NOTHING on either end of the court, NOTHING. If he was at least grabbing some rebounds, blocking a few shots and protecting the rim, you could easily understand why Cal would leave him in, but he doesn't even do those things.

Right now, it would make our team better if Hump and Willis got some clock. Both hustle and will grab some boards, and score, which is a LOT more than Skal is giving us.

I love Cal but I truly don't understand his rotations sometimes.
 

UK90

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Yeah, 'em thar ACLs heal in a couple a days. Only 'em wussy boys take a year. You oughter go set at thar Poy boy strait. Right up in at thar wussy boys face. Stick at chin out and tell'em. (Somebody call 911)

Please. Do some research before making such stupid posts.


I don't need to do research. I had my own ACL rebuilt--and back when it was a FAR scarier, more intrusive and arduous process than today--and am still carrying the hardware decades later. I'm quite confident I know that issue better than you. For me, at least, the first three months were hell, the next three it got progressively far easier, and after six months I was honestly back to doing everything as well or better than ever before.

Poy's had more than a year of recovery and rehab time now. Some lingering effects may still be affecting him, but I seriously doubt it serves as nearly as much of an excuse for his poor play as the apologists here want to believe, especially since he seems to have every bit as much or more lift on his jumps/dunks than ever before, and the problems he's having are the same ones he had BEFORE the injury.
 
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kybassfan

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I don't need to do research, *******. I had my own ACL redone--and back when it was a FAR scarier and more arduous process than today--and am still carrying the hardware a couple decades later. I'm quite certain I know that issue better than you and most others here. For me at least, about the first three months of rehab were hell, the next three it got considerably and progressively easier, and after six months I was back to doing everything as well or better than before. .

Poy's had more than a year of recovery and rehab time now. Obviously lingering effects may still be affecting him, but I seriously doubt it serves as nearly as much of an excuse for his poor play as the apologists here repeatedly claim, especially since he seems to have more lift on his jumps/dunks than ever before, and the problems he's having are the same ones he had BEFORE the injury.

LOL! Right . . .

And where did you play your division one ball?
 
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yoshukai

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Wow. Take off those shades. Poy may not win defensive player of the year. But as dick v. Once said that would be Arnold Schwarzenegger vs pee wee Herman
Yeah but the way this team needs offense, I don't think it's unreasonable for some fans to want a player that is supposed to be able to shoot get some playing time . Besides that , he may have family members , people from his hometown, people that went to high school with him , and possibly friends he has now that want to see him play . Maybe they are biased because they know him . I just don't think race is a consideration.
 

Blueaz

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Yeah but the way this team needs offense, I don't think it's unreasonable for some fans to want a player that is supposed to be able to shoot get some playing time . Besides that , he may have family members , people from his hometown, people that went to high school with him , and possibly friends he has now that want to see him play . Maybe they are biased because they know him . To claim it's about race is a pretty big assumption on your part .
I did not say anything about race. YOU DID and uh, rolaid
 
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I don't need to do research. I had my own ACL rebuilt--and back when it was a FAR scarier, more intrusive and arduous process than today--and am still carrying the hardware decades later. I'm quite confident I know that issue better than you. For me, at least, the first three months were hell, the next three it got progressively far easier, and after six months I was honestly back to doing everything as well or better than ever before.

Poy's had more than a year of recovery and rehab time now. Some lingering effects may still be affecting him, but I seriously doubt it serves as nearly as much of an excuse for his poor play as the apologists here want to believe, especially since he seems to have every bit as much or more lift on his jumps/dunks than ever before, and the problems he's having are the same ones he had BEFORE the injury.
Yep, same here. I blew mine out in 1979, tore everything, it was pretty bad. Had major knee surgery because, as you said, back then those types of surgeries were much more intrusive.

First few months were terrible, but with therapy and determination I was out doing EVERYTHING I'd done pre-injury. Played a LOT of basketball pick up games up at EKU 4-5 days a week for several years.

Poy shouldn't have any lingering effects from his surgery, IMHO. But, as someone else stated, he's been up and down since he stepped foot on campus. He's one of those guys I was talking about in another thread: great athlete, poor basketball player.
 
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yoshukai

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I did not say anything about race. YOU DID and uh, rolaid
Rolaid brought up race and I said I thought it was uncalled for . Then you quoted my post so it seemed that you were telling me to take off my shades . Seemed that you were defending Rolaids race comment. Maybe I misunderstood.
 

UK90

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LOL! Right . . .

And where did you play your division one ball?

I never made any claim that I played D1 ball. Instead, I was just responding to you falsely suggesting I knew nothing about what the ACL surgery entails, when the truth is something quite different. But, fwiw, I did play HS ball and then went to UK which is where I blew out my ACL in 88, back when the reconstruction procedure was far bloodier, more intrusive and more rehab-intensive than today. And my recollection from that is that even back in those far gorier days most were back to full strength after about 6 months or so. Which again, is why I tend to roll my eyes when I see a few folks trying to excuse Alex's every singe mistake because of his surgery more than a year ago.
 
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jeffygray

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Rolaid brought up race and I said I thought it was uncalled for . Then you quoted my post so it seemed that you were telling me to take off my shades . Seemed that you were defending Rolaids race comment. Maybe I misunderstood.
Easy fellows, just grab your rolaids, beer mug or knob creek. it will be ok. I know I tend to go off the deep end right after a lose only to come back to earth some time after. Some sooner than others.
 
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kybassfan

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I never made any claim that I played D1 ball. Instead, I was just responding to you falsely suggesting I knew nothing about what the ACL surgery entails, when the truth is something quite different. But, fwiw, I did play high school ball and then went to UK which is where I blew out my ACL in 88, back when the reconstruction procedure was far bloodier, more intrusive and more rehab-intensive than today. And my recollection from that is that even back in those far gorier days most were back to full strength after about 6 months or so. Which again, is why I tend to roll my eyes when I see people trying to excuse Alex's every singe mistake on his surgery more than a year ago.

Ah, a medical prodigy, I see. Then you know that most NFL players are advised NOT to return for 54 weeks due to increased probability of reinjury, swelling, adhesions and other complications. Then you are keenly aware that lateral movement is much more difficult to recover than straight line running and jumping.

Pedestrian injury and recovery times are vastly different than top flight athletes. Some take nearly two years to return. Well, save super humans such as yourself.

When have you EVER performed at then physical level that Poythress is capable? What possible knowledge could you possess concerning recovery times for athletes when you have admittedly no experience or research on the topic. You fail to even address the mental aspects and fear of reinjury. Just a few seconds of time with Google would have revealed any of this.

Why delay an opportunity to trash a fine young student athlete? Did that really help you feel better after the team lost today?
 

Blue63Madison

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POY needs to take a dump or get off the pot, it's getting old never ever knowing what ur gonna get from him. Please no knee surgery comments....he was the same exact way long before it.
He's averaging 9 and 7 (on very few FGAs). Today he had 6 and 7 (again, on just 4 FGAs). Alex isn't a problem. Today or overall. He's not Terrence Jones, but 9 and 7 is good production from a guy who isn't even considered one of the top five players on this team. You think Willis can play the 4 and give us 9/7?