NIL in Kentucky

GonzoCat90

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^ that's what makes me optimistic about this beyond it just being the right thing to do.

Cal gets excited about anything new like this and wants to be the spokesperson for it. We saw it push Roy and K into retirement, so hopefully he sees his opening to elevate his own legacy.
 
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Eccain01

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They do spend resources to recruit players. They just can't buy players. Although many won't like this answer, universities should be about education and not sports. Education is their mission. Sports should be played by kids who are there to get an education. Any league will have to limit competition for it to work. Free market principles are not compatible with sports leagues. I say that because fans watch sports because they have a belief that the rules allow their teams to win if they have competent leadership. Free market principles would allow wealthy teams to completely dominate leagues. Every league, professional or amateur, works to prevent that from happening. Facilities and coaches are no different than classrooms, dorms, and professors. It's part of the campus atmosphere. However, paying players is not. To me there is a clear distinction.
I understand in theory but Education hasn’t been the focus of college sports for a long time. Maybe there was time when that was the case but this a Billion dollar industry now.
 

fredmanthecatfan

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I have no idea how it will play out. I suspect the big shoe companies and sports drinks will give the players projected to be megastars top dollar. The big schools like UK, KU, UNC, and Duke will provide the best backdrop for these generally speaking.
For the next Tier, commercials on the SEC network can be pretty lucrative. Your local car dealership might be good for guys who aren’t NBA or NFL bound.
The thing is that team success will lead to more popularity and revenue opportunities for players.
Or it could just be the Wild West gun for hire. I don’t know.
I do know that times have changed. Major college sports is big business, and not allowing players to get paid for their marketable value is no longer going to be the case.
I think it could be good, and I think it could turn bad. But it’s going to be what it’s going to be. Our opinions won’t change it.
 

UKnCincy_rivals

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I'll try to give you my honest answer. Sports are unlike any other occupation. We created leagues with games to entertain us. No other occupation is dependent on competitive leagues for their survival. For a league to function, fans/customers have to have some belief that their team can compete, that rules allow for each team to win if it has competent leadership. As life long Bengals and Reds fan, if we didn't think the rules allowed us to compete, why would we watch? We blame it on Mike Brown's leadership, not that the rules don't allow small market teams to compete. Leagues, by definition aren't free markets. They have rules in place that limit competition to try and create situations where any team can theoretically win. If they were governed by free market principles, many teams would fold because fan interest would die because of the realization that their team cannot compete. I don't think anti trust laws should apply to sports leagues because they rely on restricting competition between teams to keep and create fan/customer interest. If we are going to say sports leagues violate anti trust and must be run consistent with free market principles, then I would suggest they won't remain popular for very long.

The NFL has been the subject of significant antitrust scrutiny over the past 65 years, which includes finding themselves on the losing end of several very significant antitrust cases.

Al Davis successfully sued to enable the Raiders to move. McNeil is responsible for NFL free agency and resulted in massive damages being awarded. So much so that the NFL very quickly moved to negotiate settlements with the subsequent antitrust lawsuits that were filed in the wake of the McNeil ruling.

American Needle was a very significant ruling against the NFL. And if it weren’t for the threat of another negative antitrust ruling, the 2011 season likely never gets played.

Yet despite all of this scrutiny and the number of antitrust rulings that have gone against the NFL throughout much of its history, the league seems to be doing just fine to me.

So I’m not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion that sports leagues are unable to survive antirust scrutiny when all of the major sports have been successfully doing so for decades.
 

Dablueman

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I'm afraid all this is going to do is open up a can of worms. One or two players making more money on NIL that other on the team will this cause jealousy and discord on the team ?
Most of these players have grown up gasping things like social media likes , you tube views and so on. They grasp that someone ranked ahead of them and outperforming them will command more money. They all understand that on an NBA roster that not everyone is paid the same. So why would it be different in college?
 
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Sparky285

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You’re literally describing a sport management major, which most athletes are already majoring in.
Eh not really, I know a few sports management majors, and they took a lot of regular classes, I’m talking about scrapping gen eds and everything.
 
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cat_in_the_hat

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The NFL has been the subject of significant antitrust scrutiny over the past 65 years, which includes finding themselves on the losing end of several very significant antitrust cases.

Al Davis successfully sued to enable the Raiders to move. McNeil is responsible for NFL free agency and resulted in massive damages being awarded. So much so that the NFL very quickly moved to negotiate settlements with the subsequent antitrust lawsuits that were filed in the wake of the McNeil ruling.

American Needle was a very significant ruling against the NFL. And if it weren’t for the threat of another negative antitrust ruling, the 2011 season likely never gets played.

Yet despite all of this scrutiny and the number of antitrust rulings that have gone against the NFL throughout much of its history, the league seems to be doing just fine to me.

So I’m not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion that sports leagues are unable to survive antirust scrutiny when all of the major sports have been successfully doing so for decades.
I never said sports leagues can't survive anti trust scrutiny. I said sports leagues can't operate based on free market principles. They must have rules in place to limit wealthy franchises from dominating the league. The NFL does not operate based on free market principles, which is the argument that has been put forth for allowing NIL. The NFL has salary caps that limit each teams spending on players, they must approve the sale of a franchise to a new owner, they must approve a new franchise entering the league, etc,. These rules exist to try and create balance between the teams so a handful or wealthy teams don't dominate the league. Every sports league has anti competitive rules to try and create a more competitive league so fans don't lose interest. Just because the NFL has lost a few anti trust challenges doesn't mean the league operates based on free market principles. Far from it.
 
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westerncat

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I guess all schools should go ahead then because LSU, UL, Kansas & Arizona has been doing this for years.
 

westerncat

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Revenue will not be divided equally. Whatever a player makes through their social media, endorsements, autographs, etc will be there’s. No different than pro sports.
I agree just don't think it will be divided equally. One or two player making more money and then it is divided to rest of team. Just don't see that happening.
 

cat_in_the_hat

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It’s worth it if it means that Americans get to have their rights preserved. That’s the bigger picture.
I'll make this point one more time. No one has the right to go to college, play sports in college, earn income while playing sports in college, etc. The challenges to the NCAA and other sports leagues is because of anti trust laws. They have not been challenged based on violation of someone's rights. Playing NCAA sports, or professional sports for that matter, is voluntary. If you choose to do it, you follow the rules of the organization you play for. If you don't like those rules you can choose to play elsewhere or not play at all. No rights have been violated.
 

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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I can see locker room drama maybe?

dudes A and B are making $200k and dudes B and C are making $10k and dude D is making nothing.

Especially if it’s a Boston etc type situation where their hype got them the $$ instead of their play. And players C, D etc are playing better?
 

AllBall

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Thanks Andy! You’d be willing willing to make my life miserable for an eternity but thankfully you’ll allow a handful of guys that jump high live the dream. My kids appreciate it I’m sure
Even a Republican governor would have followed suit. A group of KY legislatures are much like the NCAA, they can't be relied upon to make the right decision.
 

kybassfan

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It’s worth it if it means that Americans get to have their rights preserved. That’s the bigger picture.
They have their rights now. This is destruction of an institution so a few poor little rich boys can get rich a little sooner.
 

Rockfly78

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I'll make this point one more time. No one has the right to go to college, play sports in college, earn income while playing sports in college, etc. The challenges to the NCAA and other sports leagues is because of anti trust laws. They have not been challenged based on violation of someone's rights. Playing NCAA sports, or professional sports for that matter, is voluntary. If you choose to do it, you follow the rules of the organization you play for. If you don't like those rules you can choose to play elsewhere or not play at all. No rights have been violated.
I get it. But the ncaa has the athletes by the short hairs. If they want to realize their dream then they have no choice but to give up their right to earn a living for up to 4 years. I don’t like it. I don’t like any institution side stepping capitalism in this country.

Yes they get a free education for their service. But if they can earn more then they should get to. This is America
 

Rockfly78

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They have their rights now. This is destruction of an institution so a few poor little rich boys can get rich a little sooner.
Your heart is nostalgic and you’re jaded.

you just described the American dream. I suggest you urge your kids to work on their jumpers. I have no problem seeing another man getting paid in an open market where there is demand. Kentucky basketball will thrive in this environment by the way. Just wait.
 

Thunder Mash

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I can see locker room drama maybe?

dudes A and B are making $200k and dudes B and C are making $10k and dude D is making nothing.

Especially if it’s a Boston etc type situation where their hype got them the $$ instead of their play. And players C, D etc are playing better?
This is one of my biggest concerns with NIL right here.
 
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I can see locker room drama maybe?

dudes A and B are making $200k and dudes B and C are making $10k and dude D is making nothing.

Especially if it’s a Boston etc type situation where their hype got them the $$ instead of their play. And players C, D etc are playing better?
This is why everyone in the NBA is paid exactly the same.
 

kybassfan

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Your heart is nostalgic and you’re jaded.

you just described the American dream. I suggest you urge your kids to work on their jumpers. I have no problem seeing another man getting paid in an open market where there is demand. Kentucky basketball will thrive in this environment by the way. Just wait.
Who said they can’t get paid? And you are dead wrong about it thriving in KY. Big markets feed this model.
 

Rockfly78

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Who said they can’t get paid? And you are dead wrong about it thriving in KY. Big markets feed this model.
The biggest markets don’t care about college ball.

the ncaa says they can’t get paid and retain eligibility. You know this
 

kybassfan

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The biggest markets don’t care about college ball.

the ncaa says they can’t get paid and retain eligibility. You know this
So basically you are going to ignore reality, assume things are roses and hope Kentucky can survive in a small rural market. Tell Alice I said hello.

These poor little rich boys you are championing have pro options straight out of high school. This not capitalism. This is government intrusion into amateur athletics at its most heinous.
 

kybassfan

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Big markets will feed this, you’re right.

The biggest market for college basketball is UK basketball.
Today it is. Players are basing their decision on quality of the program. When players go to the highest bidder, we’ll be at risk of following Kodak to the graveyard.
 

Rockfly78

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So basically you are going to ignore reality, assume things are roses and hope Kentucky can survive in a small rural market. Tell Alice I said hello.

These poor little rich boys you are championing have pro options straight out of high school. This not capitalism. This is government intrusion into amateur athletics at its most heinous.
They would still be amateur athletes the same way olympians are. They will not be paid to play. They can just get paid for use of their name and likeness. That’s capitalism.

Why do you keep calling them poor little rich kids? They are all kids with talent that they can capitalize on and make money from. Free market, supply, and demand.

We are Kentucky. Top of the college basketball food chain. We will not be overtaken by some random university in New York, LA, or Chicago because they are in a bigger market. Money is spent where there is demand. In our state, basketball is in high demand. That won’t change. This is very good for UK. You’ll see
 

kybassfan

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They would still be amateur athletes the same way olympians are. They will not be paid to play. They can just get paid for use of their name and likeness. That’s capitalism.

Why do you keep calling them poor little rich kids? They are all kids with talent that they can capitalize on and make money from. Free market, supply, and demand.

We are Kentucky. Top of the college basketball food chain. We will not be overtaken by some random university in New York, LA, or Chicago because they are in a bigger market. Money is spent where there is demand. In our state, basketball is in high demand. That won’t change. This is very good for UK. You’ll see
Naive people are so funny. We were Kentucky. Now we will be another team bidding for players. Players will walk through door singing show me da money!! Then as sophomores, the ones that stay, will sing even louder

Your food chain will be a **** stain on the floor. New rules. New game. New teams.

Meanwhile the poor little rich kids who already had options will laugh at you harder than the one and dones do today.

We were Kentucky. What we will be under this new abomination remains to be seen, especially 5 or 10 years down the road.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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I can see locker room drama maybe?

dudes A and B are making $200k and dudes B and C are making $10k and dude D is making nothing.

Especially if it’s a Boston etc type situation where their hype got them the $$ instead of their play. And players C, D etc are playing better?
I said the exact same thing with the same situation. The NIL lovers think it will never happen.
 

Dablueman

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Who said they can’t get paid? And you are dead wrong about it thriving in KY. Big markets feed this model.
We have the largest college basketball fan base in the world. Please explain why it's local market driven? Nike isn't local, Adidas isn't local, PepsiCo, coca-cola, Gatorade, under armor so on and so on. Those national sponsorships will be interested in teaching the largest fan base with players who not only are on national tv more than most a high percentage end up in the NBA and they can get in early with them. Larger markets have multiple p5 teams multiple pro teams sometimes multiple pro teams in the same sport that decides that money out. For example Texas has 3 NBA teams, 2 NFL teams, a major league baseball team, U Texas, AnM, Houston.
 

Rockfly78

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Naive people are so funny. We were Kentucky. Now we will be another team bidding for players. Players will walk through door singing show me da money!! Then as sophomores, the ones that stay, will sing even louder

Your food chain will be a **** stain on the floor. New rules. New game. New teams.

Meanwhile the poor little rich kids who already had options will laugh at you harder than the one and dones do today.

We were Kentucky. What we will be under this new abomination remains to be seen, especially 5 or 10 years down the road.
I guess you should start looking for a new team or a hobby or something.
 

rqa

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Thanks Andy! You’d be willing willing to make my life miserable for an eternity but thankfully you’ll allow a handful of guys that jump high live the dream. My kids appreciate it I’m sure
How are you harmed?
 

ConRay9

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Have no idea how people think there is a bottomless pot of gold somewhere in Central KY. Some of these players might get offered 5-10k in a year. If Mintz returns he won’t be the featured player on the team.
It’s not just Central Kentucky though. UK is in one of the more unique situations where the players are marketable everywhere in the state because UK sports culture is strongly pervasive everywhere here. Duke, UCLA, Villanova, etc. don’t have that same luxury because there are other colleges or pro teams.

Additionally, it’s not just confined to KY businesses. These players can get paid to mention a brand in a tweet or a post on Instagram. Significant money can be made simply from being on the team.

While it may not rival an overseas contract, a player like Mintz could make way more than 5k. If he’s playing somewhere in Lithuania he’s just not going to command endorsements and other lucrative opportunities the same way he would being in the spotlight of UK Basketball.