NIL in Kentucky

[kybassfan]

So your example isn't an example and you can't give another specific one that is?

Oh, yes, I see your wisdom. Special interest groups are going to sit around and let proto-millionaires get even more money without wanting a cut. Cause nobody ever wanted to ride a gravy train.

I got this bridge in Brooklyn. Make you a deal. I’ve been waiting for someone of your intelligence….

 

[akaukswoosh]

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

Oh, yes, I see your wisdom. Special interest groups are going to sit around and let protocol-millionaires get even more money with wanting a cut. Cause people nobody ever wanted to ride a gravy train.

I got this bridge in Brooklyn. Make you a deal. I’ve been waiting for someone of your intelligence….

Do you have an English-to-whateverlanguagethisis translator?

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Like Title IX. That’s not specifically applicable but any demographic group that wants paying.

Title IX is not an entitlement program. It’s a law.

I think this conversation may be a bit beyond your ken.

 

[GonzoCat90]

No I just don’t bother with idiots that repeat questions as sentences. Very low brow.

Let me rephrase it as a statement then:

You don't know what you're talking about and are not well-versed enough on the topic to contribute anything of substance.

I'll continue:

You cannot offer any valid reasoning or evidence of the fears you claim to have and they will fall apart at the first inspection or scrutiny.

I actually suspect you know this and that's why you're pretending to be above that conversation.

If you'd like to continue, we can be as high brow as you like. Though I can't promise you I won't have questions if you try to do things like label Title IX as an entitlement program.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Do you have an English-to-whateverlanguagethisis translator?

I think he might’ve been trying to rap. Or had a stroke. Either way, it’s a fascinating reply.

 

[akaukswoosh]

Sisk's take:

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You think billionaires became billionaires by throwing millions at teenagers who won't return any profit for them?

You also have to assume this will be monitored and regulated. Giving a kid $500k for a photo op probably won't be allowed, right?

And if your argument is that they'll ignore that regulation, there's nothing stopping them from doing it now, is there? Except this way you go from being totally invisible to having to publicly document that you gave some money while trying to hide the rest.

How could it be disallowed? I haven't seen any NIL legislation with caps.

 

[kybassfan]

Title IX is not an entitlement program. It’s a law.

I think this conversation may be a bit beyond your ken.

Yawn. I said it wasn’t specifically applicable. I was referring to the social mentality that led to title IX. You had this trouble once before. Clearly the abstract is outside your grasp.

 

[GonzoCat90]

How could it be disallowed? I haven't seen any NIL legislation with caps.

Maybe it won't be.

I just can't imagine the same institution that was recently prohibiting cream cheese opening the door completely. It's possible year one is a free for all as they pin down regulations, but I'd be shocked if they don't make any stipulations or limits at all once things are in place.

 

[kybassfan]

Do you have an English-to-whateverlanguagethisis translator?

I think you don’t use long enough words to run afoul of auto correct. It does better with teen mentality chat.

Let me rephrase it as a statement then:

You don't know what you're talking about and are not well-versed enough on the topic to contribute anything of substance.

I'll continue:

You cannot offer any valid reasoning or evidence of the fears you claim to have and they will fall apart at the first inspection or scrutiny.

I actually suspect you know this and that's why you're pretending to be above that conversation.

If you'd like to continue, we can be as high brow as you like. Though I can't promise you I won't have questions if you try to do things like label Title IX as an entitlement program.

Sorry, you revealed you are unworthy of discussion by that stupid repeat of a sentence as a question. You’d strike me as the sort that can’t think ahead. I probably didn’t need the last word of that sentence.

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

Maybe it won't be.

I just can't imagine the same institution that was recently prohibiting cream cheese opening the door completely. It's possible year one is a free for all as they pin down regulations, but I'd be shocked if they don't make any stipulations or limits at all once things are in place.

Setting regulations on contracts between the athletes and third parties is extremely problematic. The NCAA can't do this unilaterally, and I don't see the incentive for the athletes to come to the table and voluntarily restrict themselves.

The NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL don't try to regulate NIL of their athletes.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Yawn. I said it wasn’t specifically applicable. I was referring to the social mentality that led to title IX. You had this trouble once before. Clearly the abstract is outside your grasp.

Following up with a statement regarding applicability does not change the fact that you seem to not understand the meaning of the phrase “entitlement program.”

But that’s fine. I did get a kick out of the thought of you heading down to the local Title IX office to sign up for your monthly Title IX benefits. This week has been insanely busy for me so I do appreciate the moment of levity. Thank you for that.

 

[kybassfan]

Following up with a statement regarding applicability does not change the fact that you seem to not understand the meaning of the phrase “entitlement program.”

But that’s fine. I did get a kick out of the thought of you heading down to the local Title IX office to sign up for your monthly Title IX benefits. This week has been insanely busy for me so I do appreciate the moment of levity. Thank you for that.

Or your definition of entitlement is very narrow. Entitlement is not merely recompense. In fact a law can entitle an entity to particular treatment. The English language is quite rich and not limited to political dogma. Sorry.

 

[bthaunert]

I don’t think competitiveness, real or perceived, is the driving force of success for most college athletics programs.

People want to be entertained, and they want to see high level competition from people who are highly skilled.

Whatever form NIL takes, Bama is going to recruit better than anyone else in football. They already do and they will continue. Very few teams that ever step on the field with Bama have a realistic shot of beating them. Yet those teams and their fans are still here, still coming to the games or still watching them on TV. The SEC west still packs out stadiums every Saturday across the south even though they all know (with rare exceptions) that the playing field has never been level.

College sports will adapt and I for one think NIL is a good thing. I hope the NCAA sets forth a comprehensive program for NIL and, most importantly, enforces and oversees the rules. Something they are not great at right now but maybe they can take this opportunity to get their **** together and make it work.

Wonder how much in endorsements the UK volleyball team could’ve made this season? NIL can be great for non-revenue/Olympic sports. Sure they aren’t going to get rich, but I bet most of those ladies on the national championship team could use $500 or $1000 in their pockets from an autograph signing or a cheesy car commercial.

The autograph signing or cheesy car commercial for the volleyball team is antiquated thinking imo. Female athletes will make their money through social media. Many male athletes will do the same.

As an example, Madison Lilley (UK volleyball NPOTY) has 25,000 followers on Instagram. That’s about $12,000 in annual earning potential just through Instagram.

Paige Bueckers, the freshman phenom at UConn has 829,000 followers on Instagram. Her potential earnings for this upcoming year are probably around $750,000. She is going to make bank.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

How could it be disallowed? I haven't seen any NIL legislation with caps.

There are two potential factors that could provide an avenue for limiting that.

One, the fact that the Supreme Court teed off on the NCAA does not blow up the NCAA’s ability to establish rules entirely. They can still make some rules provided that they are carefully crafted to be reasonable, very limited in scope, etc.

As an example, an NIL policy that permits athletes to enter into any deal they wish, as long as that deal serves a legitimate commercial purpose may not be an issue if that’s as far as it goes. It’s not necessarily off the table for them to state that recruiting inducements disguised as legitimate endorsements are prohibited and that schools would be subject to penalties if a booster were caught.

The second factor is that people who are exceedingly wealthy also tend to be pretty risk averse. And unless and until the Supreme Court grants relief to Jim Gatto, et al, then there remains established precedent for the FBI to pursue criminal charges against those who try to skirt NCAA rules prohibiting recruiting inducements.

If the NCAA decides to include some language that speaks to inducements being prohibited, then any booster who tries to buy a player via an endorsement faces the possibility of prison time if caught. The majority of wealthy people don’t like to take those kinds of risks.

And for the small percentage who are comfortable with that risk, there’s a decent chance they might already be cheating today anyway.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Or your definition of entitlement is very narrow. Entitlement is not merely recompense. In fact a law can entitle an entity to particular treatment. The English language is quite rich and not limited to political dogma. Sorry.

Well since you said it was an “entitlement program” as opposed to simply an “entitlement”, the degree to which I have a narrow definition of “entitlement” isn’t really relevant. “Entitlement program” is a specific term.

But your understanding of the law and expansive definition of entitlement is quite interesting.

So in your mind, I’m assuming this means you’d also consider something like Article IV, Section 2 of the US Constitution to be an entitlement program. Which is really interesting considering there’s no line item in the federal budget for that. But if so, that’s a class of entitlement program I wasn’t aware even existed before this discussion.

Learn something new every day, I guess. But I’ve probably piled on enough at this point. Take it easy.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I think you don’t use long enough words to run afoul of auto correct. It does better with teen mentality chat.

Sorry, you revealed you are unworthy of discussion by that stupid repeat of a sentence as a question. You’d strike me as the sort that can’t think ahead. I probably didn’t need the last word of that sentence.

It's really okay to just not participate in discussions you aren't knowledgeable about. It's way less embarrassing.

Look around. People on both sides are having thoughtful, useful discussion about this. Everyone is civil. People are clarifying ideas and learning things they didn't already know. It's nice.

And then there's you just blabbering pathetically at several different people because you can't hang and shouldn't have chimed in at all. But instead we're to believe it's you that's on this higher plane and the rest of us aren't worthy of whatever insight you have to share. We simply can't understand it.

I've been around long enough and read enough of your posts to know that if you had even the slightest idea what the hell you're talking about, you'd beat it to death. But you don't. So you can't. So you won't. No matter how many smarmy ways you try to deflect it.

Bad news: that thing you're trying to avoid? It's happening. Nobody is fooled. Maybe if you post the same failed rebuttal five or six more times it'll be less embarrassing.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Setting regulations on contracts between the athletes and third parties is extremely problematic. The NCAA can't do this unilaterally, and I don't see the incentive for the athletes to come to the table and voluntarily restrict themselves.

The NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL don't try to regulate NIL of their athletes.

I still think they'll insist on at least some bare minimum regulations to save face and cling to the idea of amateurism.

I also read today that (I think) Florida was limiting their own NLI to exclude being able to take money from boosters.

That opens up a whole new can of worms, and we'll have to redefine terms like booster and what constitutes an inducement and all that stuff. I just would be very surprised if the NCAA suddenly gets out of the way entirely and doesn't try to provide something that resembles limitations, even if it's toothless.

 

[kybassfan]

Well since you said it was an “entitlement program” as opposed to simply an “entitlement”, the degree to which I have a narrow definition of “entitlement” isn’t really relevant. “Entitlement program” is a specific term.

But your understanding of the law and expansive definition of entitlement is quite interesting.

So in your mind, I’m assuming this means you’d also consider something like Article IV, Section 2 of the US Constitution to be an entitlement program. Which is really interesting considering there’s no line item in the federal budget for that. But if so, that’s a class of entitlement program I wasn’t aware even existed before this discussion.

Learn something new every day, I guess. But I’ve probably piled on enough at this point. Take it easy.

Sigh. Entitlement - The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. I hate quoting dictionaries.

Its just words. I don’t make them up. Nor are they an entitlement solely for use by the political and legal professional bullshitters.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Sigh. Entitlement - The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. I hate quoting dictionaries.

Its just words. I don’t make them up. Nor are they an entitlement solely for use by the political and legal professional bullshitters.

Interesting. I’ll have to pick up one of these dictionaries.

I’m curious though, what does it say is the definition of an “entitlement program”?

 

[kybassfan]

It's really okay to just not participate in discussions you aren't knowledgeable about. It's way less embarrassing.

Look around. People on both sides are having thoughtful, useful discussion about this. Everyone is civil. People are clarifying ideas and learning things they didn't already know. It's nice.

And then there's you just blabbering pathetically at several different people because you can't hang and shouldn't have chimed in at all. But instead we're to believe it's you that's on this higher plane and the rest of us aren't worthy of whatever insight you have to share. We simply can't understand it.

I've been around long enough and read enough of your posts to know that if you had even the slightest idea what the hell you're talking about, you'd beat it to death. But you don't. So you can't. So you won't. No matter how many smarmy ways you try to deflect it.

Bad news: that thing you're trying to avoid? It's happening. Nobody is fooled. Maybe if you post the same failed rebuttal five or six more times it'll be less embarrassing.

Clearly it’s ok. You are here. I’m not trying to avoid anything. It’s just beneath me to discuss things like the human nature to exploit with someone of that does what you did. The signifies limited mental stature. Simply put, you are not worth my time. Others on the thread seem more qualified.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Clearly it’s ok. You are here. I’m not trying to avoid anything. It’s just beneath me to discuss things like the human nature to exploit with someone of that does what you did. The signifies limited mental stature. Simply put, you are not worth my time. Others on the thread seem more qualified.

They're embarrassing you too. Maybe you should aim a little lower.

 

[kybassfan]

Interesting. I’ll have to pick up one of these dictionaries.

I’m curious though, what does it say is the definition of an “entitlement program”?

One might infer that is a process or concept dealing with entitlements of the forms described in the other definition. Of course it’s necessary to step out of the political and legal bullshitters arena to see that.

would you like a lesson in google?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

There are two potential factors that could provide an avenue for limiting that.

One, the fact that the Supreme Court teed off on the NCAA does not blow up the NCAA’s ability to establish rules entirely. They can still make some rules provided that they are carefully crafted to be reasonable, very limited in scope, etc.

As an example, an NIL policy that permits athletes to enter into any deal they wish, as long as that deal serves a legitimate commercial purpose may not be an issue if that’s as far as it goes. It’s not necessarily off the table for them to state that recruiting inducements disguised as legitimate endorsements are prohibited and that schools would be subject to penalties if a booster were caught.

The second factor is that people who are exceedingly wealthy also tend to be pretty risk averse. And unless and until the Supreme Court grants relief to Jim Gatto, et al, then there remains established precedent for the FBI to pursue criminal charges against those who try to skirt NCAA rules prohibiting recruiting inducements.

If the NCAA decides to include some language that speaks to inducements being prohibited, then any booster who tries to buy a player via an endorsement faces the possibility of prison time if caught. The majority of wealthy people don’t like to take those kinds of risks.

And for the small percentage who are comfortable with that risk, there’s a decent chance they might already be cheating today anyway.

I thought the NCAA even said it wouldn't pursue recruiting incentives if state law allowed it. If so, and any state allows it, they won't go after a player in a different state. They'd be right back in the pot cooking again. The other issue, I know you're the lawyer but I just don't buy it. It's splitting hairs too much once NIL is in place. You could disguise nearly anything with a cloak of commercial activity. I simply don't think the NCAA will do anything about any of it any longer.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

One might infer that is a process or concept dealing with entitlements of the forms described in the other definition. Of course it’s necessary to step out of the political and legal bullshitters arena to see that.

would you like a lesson in google?

You need to be banned simply due to your obnoxious, know it all - all the time, attitude. The kicker is, you aren't even that bright, you simply think you are.

 

[WalterTheHippo]

Awesome!

 

[OmahaCats]

I'm a big fan of what Gonzaga has done and the rosters they have been able to assemble. Timme and Holmgren will be a strong frontcourt. There's not a recruit in this class that I wanted more than Paolo Bachero, I think he is going to be a stud for Duke.

With that said Duren, along with Collins and Tshiebwe puts us right in the conversation..... if that happens.

Well sure, IF we got Duren. Without him we definitely aren’t

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I thought the NCAA even said it wouldn't pursue recruiting incentives if state law allowed it. If so, and any state allows it, they won't go after a player in a different state. They'd be right back in the pot cooking again. The other issue, I know you're the lawyer but I just don't buy it. It's splitting hairs too much once NIL is in place. You could disguise nearly anything with a cloak of commercial activity. I simply don't think the NCAA will do anything about any of it any longer.

If a state law explicitly permits it, then the NCAA’s hands would be tied at the moment. But while something like that might be an issue in the near term, that doesn’t mean it’s still an issue say a year from now.

Even if the NCAA completely washes their hands of trying to enforce NIL rules starting July 1, the fact that there are so many state laws that are slightly different is still a bit of an issue.

I would expect to see a very significant increase in the amount of lobbying dollars spent by the NCAA and the power 5 conferences this year in an effort to get a federal NIL law in place.

 

[WallMash]

it seems to be about 9 to 1 in favor. College basketball is on downhill slide from 4 or 5 years ago, but this as least can prop us up for a few more years as the BBN fanbase could easily out monetize other college fan bases. I say yay.

 

[kybassfan]

They're embarrassing you too. Maybe you should aim a little lower.

You weren’t low enough?

 

[kybassfan]

You need to be banned simply due to your obnoxious, know it all - all the time, attitude. The kicker is, you aren't even that bright, you simply think you are.

Yawn.

 

[Rockfly78]

So, Kentucky basketball as we know it ceases to exist with that order.

It was a nice run.

Care to elaborate?

 

[kybassfan]

Care to elaborate?

Pre professional era and post professional era. We were the GOAT of the former era. Now the semi pro era starts. Everybody starts fresh.

 

[westerncat]

I'm afraid all this is going to do is open up a can of worms. One or two players making more money on NIL that other on the team will this cause jealousy and discord on the team ?

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I'm afraid all this is going to do is open up a can of worms. One or two players making more money on NIL that other on the team will this cause jealousy and discord on the team ?

Maybe, maybe not.

But in my experience, some kids that age get jealous and some don’t. And even if there were no money involved, the kids who are the jealous types would simply find something else to be jealous of.

More importantly, it seems wrong to me to limit what someone can achieve simply because you’re worried that their level of success will hurt someone else’s feelings.

That’s veering a bit too close to the mentality of thinking that everyone deserves a participation trophy so that there’s no hurt feelings, and I just can’t support that.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I'm afraid all this is going to do is open up a can of worms. One or two players making more money on NIL that other on the team will this cause jealousy and discord on the team ?

There are already discrepancies in everything from playing time to illegal benefits. This won't be anything new.

 

[Kybluedude]

They will be pros and the cheating will escalate. Big schools will dominate. No more student athletes . Pros. Pay me.
Throw in the one and done and ...

Color me not as interested. Still will watch but casually.

Lucky my old High School has competitive state championship caliber teams in about every sport. Will devote more time to following and supporting them.

 

[akaukswoosh]

I'm afraid all this is going to do is open up a can of worms. One or two players making more money on NIL that other on the team will this cause jealousy and discord on the team ?

My assumption is revenue would be divided equally to avoid that.

 

[akaukswoosh]