NIL day one

420grover

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Apparently they aren’t needed. Otherwise there would be more options. Free enterprise, remember? That’s how capitalism works.
I've seen you state "They have other viable options." probably 100 times in the last month. So tell me what those viable options for football players are or quit saying it
 

BourbonBalz

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So what about other kids who don’t play sports but are on scholarship?
There’s no competition for them among schools. There’s no competitive imbalance involved. As I’ve stated earlier, sports is a different animal. It can’t be viewed in the same way because of it being a monopoly (see the NFL) and due to recruiting and recruiting advantages in college athletics.
 

BourbonBalz

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Many on here fail to grasp what a few of us are saying. I don’t think anyone minds the players making money. That’s not the point. The point is it’s going to ruin the game even more than it already is. It’s going to make all but a few big schools irrelevant. Wait and see. It’s inevitable.
 

Rockfly78

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They can make a living. Nothing was stopping them. They voluntarily agreed to enter amateur athletic competition. They have every right every other American had. So your basic assumption is just more ********.
Nothing is stopping them huh? Lol.

You have been told that you are wrong time and again by multiple people. The Supreme Court also disagrees with you. The NCAA has finally waved its white flag. You should do the same.
 

kybassfan

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Nothing is stopping them huh? Lol.

You have been told that you are wrong time and again by multiple people. The Supreme Court also disagrees with you. The NCAA has finally waved its white flag. You should do the same.
Nothing. Only people like you say anything to the contrary. You have demonstrated you only give a damn about competitive advantage so you are not relevant to the conversation. You CLEARLY have no grasp of the Supreme Court ruling which was extremely narrow. The NCAA is trying to cope with a bunch of disparate laws from corrupt state governments.

Like I said, you have no clue. You just see this as an excuse to cheat.
 

kybassfan

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I've seen you state "They have other viable options." probably 100 times in the last month. So tell me what those viable options for football players are or quit saying it
I have been discussing basketball. This is a basketball board. But I have seen football players make tons of money. Just not from their chosen field of competition. Now if you are crying about the NFL not taking children into the league, take that up with them. Baseball surely doesn’t have an issue.
 

kybassfan

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College basketball played as amateur competition has been a ruse since at least the early 90s. Damn near every highly ranked recruit likely received some sort of illegal extra benefit as early as 8th or 9th grade and continuing through high school and AAU.

Amateurism has been a facade for a long time now in both major revenue generating NCAA sports.
The operative word there being illegal. The sport was amateur. So basically your point is everyone is a stinking filthy cheat so let’s make it ok.

Sorry, I prefer amateurs to changing the rules to make stinking filthy cheats honest.
 

kybassfan

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I mean it’s not like they’re in a position to choose. Most families can’t afford college out of pocket, so while it’s true that nobody forced them to accept the scholarship, it’s not like they have many other options if they want to attend college and try to avoid crippling debt to pay back.

And most academic scholarships to have terms that you must uphold to maintain the scholarship, usually a GPA requirement.

The only body that has even cared about amatuerism is the NCAA.
So it’s ok for 98% of the other students to go deep into debt with limited hope of jobs or recovery. Meanwhile the poor little soon to be filthy rich athlete choses between a scholarship or g-league or a trip to Europe.

So basically you have no point.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I hope lots of our girls and guys come out of the gate strong. It'll be the big story tomorrow and we have a chance to establish some real momentum and buzz.
This, I mean if UK guys not only get drafted like we do but can net deals that are among the highest in college we will recruit massively again.
 

Rockfly78

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Nothing. Only people like you say anything to the contrary. You have demonstrated you only give a damn about competitive advantage so you are not relevant to the conversation. You CLEARLY have no grasp of the Supreme Court ruling which was extremely narrow. The NCAA is trying to cope with a bunch of disparate laws from corrupt state governments.

Like I said, you have no clue. You just see this as an excuse to cheat.
Lol. You’re a communist. Plain and simple. Just own it
 

*Fox2Monk*

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So it’s ok for 98% of the other students to go deep into debt with limited hope of jobs or recovery. Meanwhile the poor little soon to be filthy rich athlete choses between a scholarship or g-league or a trip to Europe.

So basically you have no point.
Nobody is required or forced to rack up debt for college.
 
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kybassfan

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They have viable options other than going to college. They voluntarily chose that route.
Exactly. So 2% that were likely to already get rich get even richer and a scholarship. 98% get squat and no scholarship.

Only federal or state governments could possibly think this makes sense.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Where did I say forced. Like Judge Smales said, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Reading comprehension is such a valuable skill. Try it
That was your argument about racking up college debt, try and make sense.
 

germuk

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So it’s ok for 98% of the other students to go deep into debt with limited hope of jobs or recovery. Meanwhile the poor little soon to be filthy rich athlete choses between a scholarship or g-league or a trip to Europe.

So basically you have no point.
The vast majority of NCAA athletes do not become “filthy rich athletes.” I just think they should be able to cash in in the opportunity that presents itself to them without surrendering their eligibility. What issue do you have with that?
 

Bkone7466

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It will completely destroy athletics are smaller and mid-major schools. Players will simply go now where they can make the most money. It’s going to be like NFL free agency. Players will be loyal to their sponsors and not the school/team. You have to be really dense not to realize this.
Loyal to their school/team??? Did you witness the mass exodus via the transfer portal this off season?? Players will be and should be loyal to themselves and their best interest. Always been that way it’s just now they have rules in place to take advantage of it.
 
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BourbonBalz

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Loyal to their school/team??? Did you witness the mass exodus via the transfer portal this off season?? Players will be and should be loyal to themselves and their best interest. Always been that way it’s just now they have rules in place to take advantage of it.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. I don’t want to see college basketball go down the drain, but it’s been headed that way for a while now. This will just speed it up.
 
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420grover

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I have been discussing basketball. This is a basketball board. But I have seen football players make tons of money. Just not from their chosen field of competition. Now if you are crying about the NFL not taking children into the league, take that up with them. Baseball surely doesn’t have an issue.
NIL is about college athletes not just college basketball players. The only one crying around here is you. I don't care about the pro league's rules on age, that's their business.
 
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Ramsey_Bolton

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Oh no. They have viable options. You seem to want to destroy amateur athletics.

I’ll get to laugh later. When everyone realizes they just stepped knee deep in a stinking, steaming pile of crap.

By the way, I guess you support drug dealing as capitalism. They are just making money, right?
I love the hyperbole. Literally nothing will change except for seeing more ads with players.

We will be here. Something tells me the laughter won't be witnessed.

Drug dealing is a crime.... you do know that, right?
 

kybassfan

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That was your argument about racking up college debt, try and make sense.
Coming from the guy that throws the word communist around like candy. They did the same thing in the 60’s. They did it for the same reason you advocate. To gain an unfair advantage. You really have zero understanding of the topic or it’s history.
 

kybassfan

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I love the hyperbole. Literally nothing will change except for seeing more ads with players.

We will be here. Something tells me the laughter won't be witnessed.

Drug dealing is a crime.... you do know that, right?
So is gambling by influencing outcomes. You know that right?

The states and the NCAA just enabled that.
 

kybassfan

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NIL is about college athletes not just college basketball players. The only one crying around here is you. I don't care about the pro league's rules on age, that's their business.
No, I’m not the only one.

Well you should be concerned. They are stealing money from the hands of poor rich hungry football players that could be making it in their league. Or are you just a hypocrit?
 

kybassfan

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Loyal to their school/team??? Did you witness the mass exodus via the transfer portal this off season?? Players will be and should be loyal to themselves and their best interest. Always been that way it’s just now they have rules in place to take advantage of it.
So you have always been a strong advocate of one and done at KY?
 

kybassfan

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The vast majority of NCAA athletes do not become “filthy rich athletes.” I just think they should be able to cash in in the opportunity that presents itself to them without surrendering their eligibility. What issue do you have with that?
Because it is, or was, an amateur sport. They were getting scholarship. They had other choices.

You are not going to cry when other teams start buying our players out from under us right? Or when the vice squad shows up asking about payments made to players to influence outcomes? Or players leave mid season to avoid injury for the draft or worse, head over seas. You are thinking, oh look, the soon to be rich athlete made some money, how cute. Meanwhile a 100 others are considering ways to misuse it to suit their needs.

The vast majority of NCAA athletes will make nothing from this. This conversation concerns itself with the top sigma of athletes.
 

420grover

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No, I’m not the only one.

Well you should be concerned. They are stealing money from the hands of poor rich hungry football players that could be making it in their league. Or are you just a hypocrit?
I think an employer has the right to make whatever requirements they want for their employees. If they want to take 12 year olds or require a Master's degree, it doesn't matter to me. Whatever rule is set by that league is what colleges have to work around. They're supposed to look out for the interests of their league not the interests of the NCAA.
 

Ramsey_Bolton

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So is gambling by influencing outcomes. You know that right?

The states and the NCAA just enabled that.
Lol, how does paying a player for his likeness have anything to do with gambling and fraud? So, are you saying your employer paying you is fraud, too?

You sound like a loser who is just upset that teenagers are going to accomplish more financially than you have in your entire working life.
 

Dablueman

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Non-student-athletes on scholarship could go out and make money on their NIL if they were popular enough before this rule change. What's your point?
Exactly. Not only that since the band was singled out they could join a band and make money playing the same instrument they play in the marching band. It's always been that way. What is also conveniently left out in the conversation about compensation is the injury risk these kids take with their career every time they suit up. Plus only a handful have real options outside of college to pursue their NBA goal currently
 

Bkone7466

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So you have always been a strong advocate of one and done at KY?
Nope. And I’m not saying I’m 100% on board with this either. I’m just saying players haven’t been loyal to their school/teams for awhile now. This off season has been a perfect example.
 

kybassfan

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Lol, how does paying a player for his likeness have anything to do with gambling and fraud? So, are you saying your employer paying you is fraud, too?

You sound like a loser who is just upset that teenagers are going to accomplish more financially than you have in your entire working life.
You can’t be that naive. Seriously? I never said all employers are frauds, but you are desperate to make a point no matter how stupid.

It goes like this. One sentence. Hey kid, that autograph is worth 100,000 grand to me if you guys lose Saturday. Don’t laugh. We been there done that over 50 years ago. The stigma exists to this day.
 
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kybassfan

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Nope. And I’m not saying I’m 100% on board with this either. I’m just saying players haven’t been loyal to their school/teams for awhile now. This off season has been a perfect example.

Your point? The new rule caused that. With this rule you haven’t seen anything yet.
 
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420grover

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You can’t be that naive. Seriously? I never said all employers are frauds, but you are desperate to make a point no matter how stupid.

It goes like this. One sentence. Hey kid, that autograph is worth 100,000 grand to me if you guys lose Saturday. Don’t laugh. We been there done that over 50 years ago. The stigma exists to this day.
The guy that's going to do that has been doing it for years.
 
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KYWildCatsFan

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It goes like this. One sentence. Hey kid, that autograph is worth 100,000 grand to me if you guys lose Saturday. Don’t laugh. We been there done that over 50 years ago. The stigma exists to this day.
Do you actually think NIL was stopping the type of person who would do such a thing? People (the mob as you’ve stated in early posts) don’t give a damn about NIL. It’s not like they were jumping up and down at the rule change so they can now bribe college kids to throw games.
 

Dablueman

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Do you actually think NIL was stopping the type of person who would do such a thing? People (the mob as you’ve stated in early posts) don’t give a damn about NIL. It’s not like they were jumping up and down at the rule change so they can now bribe college kids to throw games.
Plus those type of people don't exactly like to do business where it can be tracked by the irs