Next year with Cam and Griffiths

[Scangg]

You can‘t put Mike Williams on any negative list. In addition to how hard he played he scored 1100 points and averaged 4 rebounds a game at 6’2”!

Mike Williams definitely belongs on this list. He was a shooting guard who couldn't shoot. Career 28% 3 point shooter and only 21% as a senior.

Brutal shooting career that many seem to turn a blind eye to since he played hard in an era of Rutgers basketball where playing hard was optional

 

[RU82]

I've mentioned it before.

If Gavin is as good as some projecting (Big Ten ROY level), going to be interesting how long he's here.

Sounds like he could potentially play himself into a one and done player.

I don’t think that’s out of the question at all.

Gavin is the most polished offensive player we’ve landed in decades. The only question is whether he can defend well enough to get starters minutes or if he’ll need some time to make that adjustment.

Personally I would guess that he’s probably a 3 year player. But he’s definitely the kind of player the NBA covets these days, so he could definitely turn pro sooner if he progresses well.

 

[Knight Owl]

Cliff benefits from having more room to operate down low. And Paul could wind up with 10 assists per game next season.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

I've mentioned it before.

If Gavin is as good as some projecting (Big Ten ROY level), going to be interesting how long he's here.

Sounds like he could potentially play himself into a one and done player.

Aren't you always chastising other posters for saying "X" player will be a 1st Rounder? Did you have a sip of the kool-aid by mistake LOL?

 

[NickRU714]

Aren't you always chastising other posters for saying "X" player will be a 1st Rounder? Did you have a sip of the kool-aid by mistake LOL?

Nope haha
Applying the same draft logic.
Didn't say anything about him getting drafted in a round.

Stating a general truth - if a freshman is very good then he's likely to be in draft conversations.

This isn't saying that a 22 year old senior who hasnt been in any draft conversation is likely a 1st round pick.

 

[RAC’emUp]

Mike Williams definitely belongs on this list. He was a shooting guard who couldn't shoot. Career 28% 3 point shooter and only 21% as a senior.

Brutal shooting career that many seem to turn a blind eye to since he played hard in an era of Rutgers basketball where playing hard was optional

The guy scored 1100 points. How many bad shots was he forced to shoot because the offense had nothing else? We can pick any player apart and it bugs me when someone gives that kind of effort and helps hold the team together yet is dissed On this board.

 

[fluoxetine]

You can be a good player without being a good shooter.

 

[zebnatto]

Don’t sleep on Aundre as a 3 pt shooter. I think he’s better than his .319.

 

[Shelby65]

nobody has a clue how well he will adapt to college ball. besides, it’s a team game and cohesion is instrumental to player success. and will he defend at a high level as a frosh ? that matters, especially here.

he hasn’t scored one college point so it’s beyond silly to suggest ‘all-time’ accolades. He may not even start next year.

 

[Rokodesh]

Don’t sleep on Aundre as a 3 pt shooter. I think he’s better than his .319.

Hyatt has gotten much better. I used to cringe at his 3's and now I expect him to make them.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

The Jaden Jones talk begs a good question…what’s the power rankings of historical Rutgers theoretical shooters?

1. Calvin Wooten (actually was good until Douby robbed him of PT and confidence?)
2. Justin Goode
3. Mike Williams
4. Oskar
5. Austin Carroll
6. Issa Thiam
7. Peter Kiss*
8. Justin Sofman

Who am I forgetting?

Billy Gilligan

 

[RUHouston]

Savage was amazing. Fun to watch. He was Dahnty before Dahnty.

He also made the best faces when he was fouled…all scrunched up….

 

[DHajekRC84]

The Jaden Jones talk begs a good question…what’s the power rankings of historical Rutgers theoretical shooters?

1. Calvin Wooten (actually was good until Douby robbed him of PT and confidence?)
2. Justin Goode
3. Mike Williams
4. Oskar
5. Austin Carroll
6. Issa Thiam
7. Peter Kiss*
8. Justin Sofman

Who am I forgetting?

Sheridan should be #1...

 

[SBP]

Jeff Greer was great, with Todd Billet and Jones, was a potent offense

 

[Shelby65]

Since this GG love fest is already ridiculous, let me add Jerome Messam and Ryan Cubit to the list. The former had great potential and Cubit was a lot more than just the OC’s son. He was also his mother’s son, and a solid grandson. Those two should be on our all-time hooper list with GG.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Since this GG love fest is already ridiculous, let me add Jerome Messam and Ryan Cubit to the list. The former had great potential and Cubit was a lot more than just the OC’s son. He was also his mother’s son, and a solid grandson. Those two should be on our all-time hooper list with GG.

Lol... Off the rails 65.. relax man. We got your point 4 posts ago. Let them have their fun. It's ok to be a bit giddy about Rutgers bball right now. Right or wrong.

 

[Scangg]

The guy scored 1100 points. How many bad shots was he forced to shoot because the offense had nothing else? We can pick any player apart and it bugs me when someone gives that kind of effort and helps hold the team together yet is dissed On this board.

I loved Mike Williams effort and toughness. That doesn't make him a good shooter. I get it. He's very popular as I said bc he gave max effort in a rough era, but you can still acknowledge reality.

There are plenty of players who play hard with toughness and aren't good shooters. Doesn't mean they sucked. You can contribute positively in many areas and not be a good shooter. Look at what Mag is doing for the current team. Mike rebounded like an animal and played tough D. He was a disappointment when it came to 3 point shooting though. No way around it

 

[rob kight]

There are some important qualities to be a RU fan:
1. Must be forever optimistic
2. Must be a dreamer
3. Must be someone who perseveres through team struggles
4. Must be able to withstand criticism

 

[Shelby65]

Lol... Off the rails 65.. relax man. We got your point 4 posts ago. Let them have their fun. It's ok to be a bit giddy about Rutgers bball right now. Right or wrong.

I don’t mind reasonable optimism about him and the program overall but comparing him to the best who’ve already played college ball here is absurd.

Feel free to compare Lumpkin, Remley and Lamizana. Or Juel Wiggan to Al Karner.

GG has no place in Rutgers great discussions. It’s nonsense.

 

[DHajekRC84]

There are some important qualities to be a RU fan:
1. Must be forever optimistic
2. Must be a dreamer
3. Must be someone who perseveres through team struggles
4. Must be able to withstand criticism

I would suggest 1 and 2 are the same. I'd replace with

Must be able to stand bent over with hands on knees for long periods of time ...and...
Has a PHd in defense.. from National and local press, fellow new jerseyites, academic saboteurs, and political grand standers.

 

[Rokodesh]

I loved Mike Williams effort and toughness. That doesn't make him a good shooter. I get it. He's very popular as I said bc he gave max effort in a rough era, but you can still acknowledge reality.

There are plenty of players who play hard with toughness and aren't good shooters. Doesn't mean they sucked. You can contribute positively in many areas and not be a good shooter. Look at what Mag is doing for the current team. Mike rebounded like an animal and played tough D. He was a disappointment when it came to 3 point shooting though. No way around it

There shall no Mike Williams slander on this board

 

[zebnatto]

There are some important qualities to be a RU fan:
1. Must be forever optimistic
2. Must be a dreamer
3. Must be someone who perseveres through team struggles
4. Must be able to withstand criticism

In the multiverse:

Must be forever a pessimist.
Don’t dream
Fold at struggles.
Wilt with criticism.

 

[Scarlet83]

nobody has a clue how well he will adapt to college ball. besides, it’s a team game and cohesion is instrumental to player success. and will he defend at a high level as a frosh ? that matters, especially here.

he hasn’t scored one college point so it’s beyond silly to suggest ‘all-time’ accolades. He may not even start next year.

It is reasonable for one to surmise that our best hoops recruit and possibly best shooter in 50 years has a very good chance of adapting well to college ball. And it’s OK to get excited.

 

[Scarlet83]

Since this GG love fest is already ridiculous, let me add Jerome Messam and Ryan Cubit to the list. The former had great potential and Cubit was a lot more than just the OC’s son. He was also his mother’s son, and a solid grandson. Those two should be on our all-time hooper list with GG.

Dumb post.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I don’t mind reasonable optimism about him and the program overall but comparing him to the best who’ve already played college ball here is absurd.

Feel free to compare Lumpkin, Remley and Lamizana. Or Juel Wiggan to Al Karner.

GG has no place in Rutgers great discussions. It’s nonsense.

You probably should learn the definition / meaning of "Could be" vs. "Will be".

That's a good start for you...

 

[RUtix4me]

Geoff is the Head Coach at CBA in Lincroft NJ, your friend might be sitting next to Todd Billet who transferred out of RU to UVa

So its entirely possible he sits next to Jeff Billet lol

 

[Knights 1212]

We can dream can't we. If things work out well I can see Cliff, Mag, Mulcahy, Spencer and Griffiths as our possible starters. Hyatt will possibly be splitting time with Mag once again. Our team could be very good and I am certainly looking forward to that but right now we must continue to work hard each and every day and hopefully make this one outstanding season. Staying healthy is so important as we saw what can happen when we lose two outstanding players early this season for 5 games each. GO RU.

 

[MiloTalon13]

RutgersSam = RutgersAl

As Bill Parcells once said "Don't call Canton just yet."

Agreed but if there is one skill to be elite at…

 

[RutgersSam]

So do people see Paul AND Cliff definitely returning next season?

 

[Rutgersray1]

Savage was amazing. Fun to watch. He was Dahnty before Dahnty.

Dante was never savage. While he was more athletic he still struggled to make a 3 while savage what's an absolute assassin. I remember dadika pushing the ball ahead on The fast break and the other team would have 4 players back on defense and he would bomb away from 3. This is back in the day when you would never consider shooting a 3 with none of your own players in a rebounding position

 

[Knight Owl]

So do people see Paul AND Cliff definitely returning next season?

Don’t see why not. Cliff is being overshadowed a bit right now in the BigTen by Edey, Jackson-Davis and Dickinson. Next year the offense should be better and give Cliff more space to operate in the paint. A Final Four run remains a possibility next season if Cliff and Paul return.

 

[RU82]

I don’t know what Cliff has to gain from coming back.

Paul is working on his masters so there’s that.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

Gavin is much much higher rated than Jones was

Gavin is widely regarded as one of the very best shooters in the class if not THE best shooter

You don't seem to get the level of talent Griffiths is bringing to Rutgers. He’s not just a shooter. He is the best all around polished offensive prospect I've seen commit

Griffiths maybe a great high school player, but before we anoint him as a great Rutgers player, let's see him play in college.

 

[Knight Owl]

Griffiths maybe a great high school player, but before we anoint him as a great Rutgers player, let's see him play in college.

If GG can’t guard man to man then you play zone D til he learns. He plays 20 minutes per game next season no matter what.

 

[NickRU714]

I don’t know what Cliff has to gain from coming back.

Paul is working on his masters so there’s that.

Wrong question.
What does Cliff have to lose from coming back?
He'll likely be graded 2nd round-undrafted after this year.
It's not going to get worse from coming back.

 

[littlenis5]

If GG can’t guard man to man then you play zone D til he learns. He plays 20 minutes per game next season no matter what.

Yea, ok, Pikiell will NEVER do this

 

[rureadyforsomefootball]

Am I the only one who remembers John Battle? I loved that promotional poster of him in Army camo holding a basketball as you entered the College Ave. Gym. He has to make a list of greatest Rutgers shooters.

 

[80RU]

Am I the only one who remembers John Battle? I loved that promotional poster of him in Army camo holding a basketball as you entered the College Ave. Gym. He has to make a list of greatest Rutgers shooters.

John Battle was not an outside shooter in college. He attempted very few three-point shots. What he could do better than anyone I have seen is pull up in traffic from 12 to 15 feet, get incredible elevation/high release point on his jump shot, and hit on about 50% even against tough defenses.

 

[MURF87]

John Battle was not an outside shooter in college. He attempted very few three-point shots. What he could do better than anyone I have seen is pull up in traffic from 12 to 15 feet, get incredible elevation/high release point on his jump shot, and hit on about 50% even against tough defenses.

Battle seemed to hang in the air forever. And that “Get Ready for Battle” poster with John standing on a tank - I think teammate and Rhodes Scholar finalist Steve Perry worked that concept.

 

[Knight Owl]

Yea, ok, Pikiell will NEVER do this

An aggressive zone…It doesn’t have to be a stand there and flap your arms zone.