This can’t be a mess up. We need to transition right back to where we were in cals early years. I think Nate Oates is the guy to pick it right back up. I’d be fine with mussleman but I think Oates is the guy
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Call Mussleman, Lloyd, Drew, Pitino, Oats, Donovan, Stevens
Oates is not the guy, you make Scott drew say no. Then you to musselman or tommy Lloyd at Arizona
Drew would be my #1 call
Purdues coach is ok if we wanted to screw it up even more. It seems the next coach has to be Oats. He's young and hungry so give him a call. Gonna be hard to let Cal burn this place down without it having some negative effects on the University. Barney needs to get in or get out because this half *** stuff don't work in the Bluegrass. You win and respect the brand or you get the *** out.
Mine to, make him say no, then I would go tommy Lloyd or musselman
Poster King of Cali said this last month regarding Arkansas and Coach Musselman
"You're watching Arkansas and think they're running plays lol? It's a bunch of guys going 1 on 1 off the dribble, which is what everyone says they hate about Calipari."
Agree with him 100%. The same could also be said about Alabama and Coach Oats. Both teams shoot a ton of 3's and there is little player or ball movement.
Another similarity to Coach COW is the roster turnover for both Bama and Arkansas. Getting 5 stars, aka 1 and done talent, so they have few returnees from year to year.
Oats and Musselman are Cal clones except with passion for the game and their teams!
"You're watching Arkansas and think they're running plays lol? It's a bunch of guys going 1 on 1 off the dribble, which is what everyone says they hate about Calipari."
Agree with him 100%. The same could also be said about Alabama and Coach Oats. Both teams shoot a ton of 3's and there is little player or ball movement.
Another similarity to Coach COW is the roster turnover for both Bama and Arkansas. Getting 5 stars, aka 1 and done talent, so they have few returnees from year to year.
Oats and Musselman are Cal clones except with passion for the game and their teams!
If I were put in charge of hiring our next coach and given a blank check it would be made out to Frank Vogel.
He’s president of the Celtics and had the opportunity to coach again a couple times …Indiana and returning for another run on the Celtics bench …but he’d be a good one
Nate Oats has never been past a SW16. What is supposed to be exciting about that? He teams chuck a bunch of 3's and hope they are on that night. No thanks!
Musselman is an interesting one to watch, but his age works against him.
Scott Drew has been past the sw16 3 times in 20 years. Only once since 2012. Hell no!!!!
You have to make Stevens, Jay Wright, and Donovan (yes, again) turn you down. You have to. They are the 3 best. Doesn’t matter if all 3 are a pipe dream. Throw everything and the kitchen sink at them.
After that it’s Drew, Lloyd, Oates in that order.
After that it’s Drew, Lloyd, Oates in that order.
Right, but their 1-on-1 play is effective, because they actually space the court and give guys room to operate.
None of this correct at all. I’m guessing you just watch the ball.
The style Cal runs is outdated now. The style the other guys run is the style of play basketball has evolved to. Watch an Arkansas practice. They aren’t allowed to shoot unless the ball is to a certain part of the floor- it’s all based on %. In fact they change the point value to different parts of the floor for practice.
Pitino??? You gotta be kidding.
I posted the exact same thing after they played San Diego State out in Maui. It’s borderline comical that we have people on this board complaining that Calipari doesn’t run plays and then saying they want Musselman.
Stevens isn’t coaching anymore bc he always wanted to be in the executive office and he hates recruiting. Wright retired bc the cane has changed, Donovan hated recruiting so he especially would now.
You’re going to have to get an up and comer. Which is the predicament. A lot of Ppl don’t want this job, why would they want to deal with all the other noise? And a young guy everyone is going to eat alive by year 3 if he’s not in the final four.
Lol at the guy who said Pitino. The guy was pretty mediocre at uofl and didn’t do well until our current guy forced him to cheat to keep up.
But see, that's the issue. The pipe dream part. What do I know, but I highly doubt Stevens, Wright, and Donovan are even options. Could easily see Drew turning us down because he's already won a title at Baylor and has a good thing going there. Lloyd is a west coast guy and always has been. Could easily see him being at Zona for another ten years before taking over for Few at Gonzaga. Could even see Musselman staying at Arky. Yeah, you make them tell you "no", but I think given the landscape of coaches UK might hear their fair share of no's. Oats would make the jump, I think. Vogel's an interesting one, but has only ever coached in the NBA, I believe. Think you'd be looking at Oats or Chris Holtmann from OSU as your two front-runners that would actually say "yes"... and I don't know if I'm real excited about that. Not saying that we should stick with Cal because of that... just saying finding the RIGHT replacement may not be that easy.
Give me either Nate Oats, Scott Drew, Brad Stevens or Billy Donovan. I would love Eric Mussleman if it wasn't for a DUI that he got. Fantastic coach but if a coach has a drinking problem, the UK head coaching position is the last job in the world that he needs.
Agree that they space the court, but they mostly give it to one guy and the rest line up around the 3 point arc. Player with the ball tries to get to the rim, if not, throws out to one of his teammates for a 3 point attempt.
1998 Kentucky Alum, NBA champion coach.
I think cal gets next yr , with the historic, mega-class he has signed then bows out . There’s a million ways you can frame it with retirement, settlement , doing something else , consulting , etc .
I think Billy Donovan …who hasn’t killed it in the pros …gets a big deal at UK and this is his retirement gig .
if cal kills it with next yrs group and has a big 2024 haul , it could push It ahead
I think Billy Donovan …who hasn’t killed it in the pros …gets a big deal at UK and this is his retirement gig .
if cal kills it with next yrs group and has a big 2024 haul , it could push It ahead
I’m intrigued by Dan Hurley as well because of his background. I mean his father is a legend in the high school ranks. And because Dan didn’t have the playing career that Bobby did, I feel like he is more motivated to prove himself as a coach. The guy is a fiery competitor and you know his teams are going to be fundamentally sound and actually play as a team (huddle, communicate, etc.)
Drew, Musselman, Hurley, or Oates. I would put Brad Stevens #1, but I don't see the guy ever coming back to college. If I was him, I would stay put.
Besides Donovan, good list. Donovan is not going back to college ball. Plus he's well over 50 I believe.
My number 1 choice would be go after Wright again. Then Billy. After that, I just don’t know which others could handle the program.
If I was charged with making the hire my first call would be to Tommy Lloyd.
If I were the AD I’d call him but like you said he would most likely say no. I like Scott Drew, I think he would do excellent here. Idk why people on here are trying to trash a guy that built a program like he did. I think those people don’t even know how bad Baylor was when he took that job.
Live in Georgia so don't get the opportunity to go to Arkansas practices as you apparently do. And I have coached for years at lower levels so I am certainly not just watching the ball.
Have seen Musselman explain his offensive style. They want to shoot layups or 3-point shots and not mid-range jumpers. You are absolutely correct that it is all based on percentages. Shot 4 for 25 against LSU last night! I am anticipating that you will reply that they only lost by 3 and you would be correct, but LSU only made 4 of their 17 3-point shots. If you can make the 35% or so that Mussleman wants, this certainly opens up the interior for easy baskets. The talent gap between Arkansas and LSU this year is tremendous and the Tigers have a 1st year coach that had no players on the roster in early April.
I like the 3 point shot as a weapon but don't think that can be your go to on offense. It is a difficult shot and teams defensively are aware that the Hogs and Tide rely on this shot so they concentrate on closing out on these shooters. I like an offense that uses ball and player movement to create shot opportunities with passing rather than 1 player dribbling and either trying to beat his man or waiting for a high pick for most of the shot clock. Playing defense is very hard and doing it for close to 30 seconds against a team that is constantly moving usually leads to a breakdown and good shot opportunity for the offense. Also fatigues the other team which has an effect on their shooting on the other end of the court
As far as none of my post being correct, I will have to disagree.
1. They don't run plays unless you consider a player going one on one then passing it out to the 3 point line a play
2. There is little ball or player movement. Again, you have one player dribbling and trying to get past his defender to the rim and the rest standing and waiting for a kick out pass.
3. Roster turnover - I have not compared the Hogs current roster to last year's roster but my impression is they had several leave either for the NBA or transfer.
The best job he could land was Iona after he paid hookers for recruits and abortions for his side pieces. Why do you think he is a reasonable candidate for UK? Have some standards.
Wrote an extensive post on Coach Vogel in this forum a few months ago and agree with you. He should at least get a phone call when we have a coaching vacancy - Soon I hope!
From what I have read about him, he is an X and O guy that is known as a teacher of fundamentals. That would be a drastic change for our players?
Only negative is that he has not coached at the college level. That is a fair criticism from those who think our next coach should have college experience. I think this is solved by hiring a coaching staff with that relevant experience. COW has 4 assistants, I think, but I don't know if they have much input either in practice or games or are mainly recruiters. It appears to me that they have little input. As far as recruiting, a huge advantage that Vogel has is his NBA history, coaching AD and LeBron, and sharing this with potential recruits.
If I were interviewing the next coach, I would ask the following:
1. What specifically do you know about the history of UK basketball and fan support?
2. What is your recruiting philosophy? I am thinking about how he sees his roster composition. Would he recruit a kid that is a great shooter but deficient in athletic ability, a rebounder/defensive player with little offensive skills, a player with all around average skills but fundamentally sound, take a flyer on a great athlete who is not presently a great basketball player etc?
3. What is your definition of team?
4. As an alum, jv player, and team manager who was around the team for a few years, you should have some knowledge regarding the pressure of this job and the several million coaches, I mean fans, that are hanging on your every word as the coach. How would you cope with this pressure? Are you prepared for this challenge 365 days a year?
5. Please state your specific goals for this program as the head coach?
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