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[ILisBest]

For those that went to law school, but were not informed on how it works when you leave the White House:

Yes. When a U.S. president leaves office, he becomes a private citizen with the same fundamental constitutional rights as any other American.Core status

• The Constitution does not grant former presidents any ongoing official powers or a special legal class. Once the term ends (or upon resignation/removal), the individual returns to private life.
• They enjoy the full Bill of Rights protections (free speech, due process, equal protection, right to bear arms, etc.) on the same basis as every other citizen.

Important nuances

• Criminal and civil liability: A former president can be prosecuted or sued for private/unofficial conduct, just like anyone else. For actions taken while in office, the Supreme Court (in Trump v. United States, 2024) held there is absolute immunity for core constitutional powers, presumptive immunity for other official acts, and no immunity for unofficial acts.
• Statutory benefits (not extra rights): Under the Former Presidents Act and related laws, former presidents receive a lifetime pension (tied to Cabinet secretary pay), funded office space and staff, travel allowances, and generally lifetime Secret Service protection (unless declined). These are privileges provided by Congress, not constitutional entitlements that change their citizen status.
• They remain subject to the same laws on classified information, taxes, and ordinary criminal statutes.

In short, a former president is a private citizen with ordinary constitutional rights, plus certain government-provided benefits and limited residual immunity tied only to official acts performed during the presidency.

 

[Uncoach]

I had dinner with one last night. He recently increased his heard size. He seemed very happy with the situation.

It’s almost as if we have posters here who have accepted the narratives fed to them by media. The same media that credible investigative reporters have left due to management’s desire to contain the truth for ideology/politics.

 

[tjfleck6]

It’s almost as if we have posters here who have accepted the narratives fed to them by media. The same media that credible investigative reporters have left due to management’s desire to contain the truth for ideology/politics.

Sqiush as predicted complained again! How do you provide relief to the consumer AND grow the herd size simultaneously? To allow ranchers to actually keep some of their cattle with an eye to the future AND not increase prices supply must be maintained. Hence, 3 month exemptions which will no doubt be extended (perhaps at reduced quantities) to grow the US herd. Eventually, this external supply will be phased out allowing the US rancher to sell more beef and hence have MORE profit.

If it was long term, Squish could cry all day and be correct. But, now Squish has told us he wants higher beef prices since external supply should not be increased as US ranchers withhold cattle from the market to grow the herd.

Squish would whine about that too. Well done Squish - always whining

 

[rillaman]

I had dinner with one last night. He recently increased his heard size. He seemed very happy with the situation.

False consensus. He’s pretty unique. I’ve talked to several in recent months that are shrinking their herd.

You guys have advocated for lowering the amount of water for farmers and ranchers.

 

[rillaman]

It’s almost as if we have posters here who have accepted the narratives fed to them by media. The same media that credible investigative reporters have left due to management’s desire to contain the truth for ideology/politics.

The beef cattle herd is the smallest it’s been in recent history.

You guys think importing more beef will help American farmers. Ya, I’m the one that accepts narratives. You guys are ignoring the actual numbers.

 

[rillaman]

Another side effect of drought/fires. A lot of bears in my suburb this year, but no attacks on people or pets. Most of the time they just destroy trash cans and bird feeders.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

For those that went to law school, but were not informed on how it works when you leave the White House:

Yes. When a U.S. president leaves office, he becomes a private citizen with the same fundamental constitutional rights as any other American.Core status

• The Constitution does not grant former presidents any ongoing official powers or a special legal class. Once the term ends (or upon resignation/removal), the individual returns to private life.
• They enjoy the full Bill of Rights protections (free speech, due process, equal protection, right to bear arms, etc.) on the same basis as every other citizen.

Important nuances

• Criminal and civil liability: A former president can be prosecuted or sued for private/unofficial conduct, just like anyone else. For actions taken while in office, the Supreme Court (in Trump v. United States, 2024) held there is absolute immunity for core constitutional powers, presumptive immunity for other official acts, and no immunity for unofficial acts.
• Statutory benefits (not extra rights): Under the Former Presidents Act and related laws, former presidents receive a lifetime pension (tied to Cabinet secretary pay), funded office space and staff, travel allowances, and generally lifetime Secret Service protection (unless declined). These are privileges provided by Congress, not constitutional entitlements that change their citizen status.
• They remain subject to the same laws on classified information, taxes, and ordinary criminal statutes.

In short, a former president is a private citizen with ordinary constitutional rights, plus certain government-provided benefits and limited residual immunity tied only to official acts performed during the presidency.

Way to completely change the subject. Lmao

 

[dtrain79]

You posted him saying people were arrested, not him directing them to arrest random innocent people.

That's incorrect. Of course it is. Trump alleged vandalism, and one or more arrests were made the next day (the post was June 19, some of the arrests were made on June 20).

On Friday night, Trump posted about the pool, alleging vandalism that had not occurred.

"We've had some real problems with Vandalism at the beautiful Reflecting Pool," he posted on his social media site Friday night. "Just like three days ago, they destroyed the grass outside of the Pool, they've also done everything possible to hurt the inside surface that was just installed."

Even more amusingly, just being arrested doesn't mean you are criminally charged. The guy who got the most attention wasn't charged for two weeks (until early July), during which there was ample information that the reflecting pool was not vandalized. He was charged anyway, obviously to appease Trump. The charges were dismissed roughly 4 weeks later when Pirro received federal government documents stating that no vandalization occurred (which all people with working brains knew). Trump has since denounced Pirro's dropping of the charges.

“She said there was no vandalism. There was tremendous vandalism,” Trump told NBC News on Thursday. “So, she made a terrible mistake. I don’t understand why she did such a stupid thing.”

Trump again rebukes Jeanine Pirro over reflecting pool ‘vandalism’ case | Donald Trump | The Guardian

 

[dtrain79]

For those that went to law school, but were not informed on how it works when you leave the White House:

Yes. When a U.S. president leaves office, he becomes a private citizen with the same fundamental constitutional rights as any other American.Core status

• The Constitution does not grant former presidents any ongoing official powers or a special legal class. Once the term ends (or upon resignation/removal), the individual returns to private life.
• They enjoy the full Bill of Rights protections (free speech, due process, equal protection, right to bear arms, etc.) on the same basis as every other citizen.

Important nuances

• Criminal and civil liability: A former president can be prosecuted or sued for private/unofficial conduct, just like anyone else. For actions taken while in office, the Supreme Court (in Trump v. United States, 2024) held there is absolute immunity for core constitutional powers, presumptive immunity for other official acts, and no immunity for unofficial acts.
• Statutory benefits (not extra rights): Under the Former Presidents Act and related laws, former presidents receive a lifetime pension (tied to Cabinet secretary pay), funded office space and staff, travel allowances, and generally lifetime Secret Service protection (unless declined). These are privileges provided by Congress, not constitutional entitlements that change their citizen status.
• They remain subject to the same laws on classified information, taxes, and ordinary criminal statutes.

In short, a former president is a private citizen with ordinary constitutional rights, plus certain government-provided benefits and limited residual immunity tied only to official acts performed during the presidency.

When do I get Secret Service protection? Curious minds want to know. There are also laws that apply directly to former Presidents, federal judges, and the like which do not apply to all of us. So yes, an ex-President is a private citizen with special legal status, including security protection funded by you and me and specific laws applicable to him/her.

You out yourself repeatedly as a complete hack, but acting like the reflecting pool stuff isn't entirely a Trump-driven matter takes the cake. Every bit of evidence - including the stuff I posted - demonstrates that Trump determined vandalism occurred (to avoid admitting a failure) and demanded that someone take a fall for the issue. Arrests, criminal charges, and the collapse of these phony cases followed.

This is America, not North Korea. Clearly Trump doesn't understand that.

On a separate note, you can believe the criminal cases against Trump were unjustified/political/unfair while also acknowledging that the fake reflecting pool cases are much worse, as there was never evidence of wrongdoing other than Trump's emotional state. The Trump charges are much more like the current charges against Comey and Tish James and the like (brough by the Trump Admin) ... political payback. They are going even worse than the Trump criminal cases.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

The beef cattle herd is the smallest it’s been in recent history.

You guys think importing more beef will help American farmers. Ya, I’m the one that accepts narratives. You guys are ignoring the actual numbers.

The guys posting endlessly about socialism are now cheerleading government regulated beef.

 

[ILisBest]

False consensus. He’s pretty unique. I’ve talked to several in recent months that are shrinking their herd.

You guys have advocated for lowering the amount of water for farmers and ranchers.

Can you cite the post where I advocated for lowering the amount of water for farmers and ranchers please?

My region is up 10+ inches in rainfall YTD over the average.

 

[rillaman]

Can you cite the post where I advocated for lowering the amount of water for farmers and ranchers please?

My region is up 10+ inches in rainfall YTD over the average.

A few on here have been talking about cutting farmers allocation of water from the Colorado River to allow increased population in the area.

You live in area that is a great place for humans to live. Other places are not, and we should address that soon.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

Only TJ, Best, Dumbcoach, AZ, and Big Swill understand this kind of devotion.

 

[AzIllini]

Eat Mor Chikin

Arizona is more popular with 7.2 million people and no bears in subdivisions.
Colorado 6.0 million.


ps. Texas is a great place to grow beef. Colorado is marginal and relies on subsidized water in Colorado and in the Imperial Valley to keep it going. Right now water delivered to the Imperial Valley is basically free, just have to pay $30 per acre foot for delivery. Enables some great prices to ranchers in Colorado and China for alfalfa.

 

[Uncoach]

Another side effect of drought/fires. A lot of bears in my suburb this year, but no attacks on people or pets. Most of the time they just destroy trash cans and bird feeders.

If Colorado wasn’t full of Progressives, perhaps you could get ICE to deport the Via con Grizzly gang members back to the forest.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

https://www.ncba.org/news-media/news/details/50285/ncba-statement-on-president-trumps-truth-social-post

@ILisBest knows a guy that is happy though so

 

[rillaman]

Eat Mor Chikin

Arizona is more popular with 7.2 million people and no bears in subdivisions.
Colorado 6.0 million.


ps. Texas is a great place to grow beef. Colorado is marginal and relies on subsidized water in Colorado and in the Imperial Valley to keep it going. Right now water delivered to the Imperial Valley is basically free, just have to pay $30 per acre foot for delivery. Enables some great prices to ranchers in Colorado and China for alfalfa.

Agreed on Texas, and agree that Colorado is not great. Imperial Valley does use a ton of water. Have to figure out in some of these areas what is more important, farming or building more housing communities.

Could/should there be more indoor farms for vegetables and fruit? Are there plants less water intensive that can feed our cattle? Should farming communities from California, Colorado, Arizona, etc. be given incentives to move to areas with more water? Or is desalination the only option outside of praying for rain?

If we need to keep the farming structure as is, where does the water come from? Who gets cut off first in times of serious drought? How quickly can we get the desalination plants operational?

I don’t think we want to reduce water for food producers and rely more on foreign food supplies. I would think most conservatives feel the same way. Guess not.

 

[dtrain79]

https://www.ncba.org/news-media/news/details/50285/ncba-statement-on-president-trumps-truth-social-post

@ILisBest knows a guy that is happy though so

President Trump is an economic illiterate. Most populists are.

And spare me the "great at business" nonsense. His father was one of the richest people in the country, and he inherited the company. Which had about 20 or so years of disasters before Trump turned it into a marketing play (which he's legit good at). His last construction project - the beautiful Trump Tower in Chicago - lost hundreds of millions (the reason he won't release his tax returns btw, he doesn't want the huge writeoffs in public).

But he then became a TV star/marketer. He's great at this. And now we have a cult surrounding it.

 

[dtrain79]

Kenny P couldn't "write off" his past misdeeds. Lol.

Talarico just released a perfect ad

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

Sqiush as predicted complained again! How do you provide relief to the consumer AND grow the herd size simultaneously? To allow ranchers to actually keep some of their cattle with an eye to the future AND not increase prices supply must be maintained. Hence, 3 month exemptions which will no doubt be extended (perhaps at reduced quantities) to grow the US herd. Eventually, this external supply will be phased out allowing the US rancher to sell more beef and hence have MORE profit.

If it was long term, Squish could cry all day and be correct. But, now Squish has told us he wants higher beef prices since external supply should not be increased as US ranchers withhold cattle from the market to grow the herd.

Squish would whine about that too. Well done Squish - always whining

Bunch of squishy cattle farmers out there.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

Big Swill would get on here and tell us all the amazing benefits of eating horse meat if this were true.

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

I had dinner with one last night. He recently increased his heard size. He seemed very happy with the situation.

 

[rillaman]

Apparently ranchers don’t think he’s fixing anything

 

[rillaman]

 

[BigWill]

The person in question had the charges dropped by the justice dept, no?

Trump was charged with hush money/ falsifying business records among other things during the Biden term:


Details by case:

• Georgia (Fulton County, August 24, 2023) — Election interference / RICO charges.
  This is the famous scowling mugshot taken at the Fulton County Jail. It is the first (and so far only) booking photo of a U.S. president or former president.
• New York (Manhattan, April 2023) — Hush-money / falsifying business records case.
  He was fingerprinted, but authorities did not photograph him.
• Federal Florida case (June 2023) — Classified documents.
• Federal Washington, D.C. case (August 2023) — Election interference.

Not to mention they tried to get him on colluding with a foreign adversary. If they would have had the evidence, could it have been some for of treason?

You compared all of the above to a vandalism charge. Saying the vandalism charge was worse?

When did Trump lose the label of being a private US citizen?

The Lawyer that testified against him in the "hush money" trial.
Has now recanted his testimony claiming Prosecutor Bragg pressured his false testimony !

The Fulton County Prosecutor has had her entire office thrown off the original Rico charges and ALL charges dropped.
She and her office now are ordered by Georgia Laws and Court to pay over $ 16,000,000 million in attorney fees !

 

[BigWill]

AFAIK, people were actually attempting to damage the pool. It just happens the DOJ couldn't prove they were any factor to the pool's issues, because the contractor's work was the larger cause. It's OK to be tough on crime. It stops the nuts from thinking they have carte blanche to do damage to government/public sites/monuments. It would have been nice if Biden's DOJ and the far left DC Court could have dome something other than what they did with the many J6ers who didn't do anything other than be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

IF Nancy and Mayor Bow Wow had used the President's Authorized National Guard troops before Jan 6, there would have been no mob.

 

[BigWill]

So here you are COMPLETELY CHANGING YOUR ARGUMENT. Trump was never charged with anything related to Russia, HE WASN'T EVEN IMPEACHED FOR IT. He was impeached for (a) threatening to withhold Congressionally approved funding from Ukraine, demanding an investigation of Biden to issue what he was obligated to pay by law (not his money, taxpayer money) and (b) fomenting a riot at the Capitol.

Trump was charged with four cases. Here they were:

1. The NYC case on hush money: The case was so weak Trump was convicted. There are arguments to the prosecutor's upping the charges from misdemeanors to felonies was dubious, I believe that is now on appeal.

2. The documents case: We don't need to go over this again. Trump was laughably guilty of the alleged crime, even faked a flood at Mar-A-Loser to try and cover it up.

3. The Georgia election case: Feel free to defend Trump's demand to "find rough 12K votes" to the Georgia SOS. The Georgia prosecutor was a clown and tanked her own case.

4. The DC case on the Capitol Riot: There are ample criticisms of whether this is a case that should have been brought. The theories were novel, though the conduct alleged was all true.
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What I think you want to argue is that the ex-President was targeted. Sure, he was. The validity of that probably rests with one's politics. But the conduct alleged wasn't made up (as it was in the reflecting pool case).

If you assume the best of intentions by Donald Trump, he's basically a victim of his own stupidity.

"Stupid is as stupid does". TDS.

Take some time off the board and read all of The Lincoln Lawyer novels, very entertaining !

 

[dtrain79]

"Stupid is as stupid does". TDS.

Take some time off the board and read all of The Lincoln Lawyer novels, very entertaining !

I like those books, BW. Good choice!

Show is solid too.

 

[BigWill]

I think this is a misunderstanding of the legal process. I don't think the people involved were even taken into custody. They may have been cited by the park police (or had their information taken down). The actual decision to charge them was a separate one undertake by the DOJ, which governs DC criminal prosecutions. I believe "Judge Jeanine" is the district attorney there, so she would have approved the charges.

Trump also claimed the reflecting pool was vandalized, which Judge Jeanine acknowledged was completely untrue when the charges were dismissed against four different people.

And unless we were legit idiots, we all knew vandalism was not the issue here. I don't know, maybe some people are that dumb to believe Trump's whims. I have doubts.

So you agree that our President employs STRONG women of intelligence and character !

Research the Pirro legal resume, it's impressive.

 

[BigWill]

They call him Dumbcoach for a reason, folks.

See the last paragraph of my post immediately above, lol!

"They call me Mr. Tubbs !"

 

[Uncoach]