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BigWill

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AzIllini said:
Thinking of the bonehead plot to attack the UFC event:

Since you all are into history. John Wilkes Booth was a nationally known actor so it was not unusual for him to be at a play. He was part of a bigger plot to kill Lincoln, VP Johnson, and Secy of State Seward that night. Wilkes was successful, Seward survived, and the guy assigned to Johnson lost his nerve. Ulysses S Grant also was supposed to be at the play that night and was going to be targeted but his plans changed and he did not attend. It was a plot to throw the Union into disarray -- but by this point Lee had surrendered and the South's capital Richmond was in Union hands, so boneheaded.

The other interesting tidbit is an armed policeman was assigned to stand guard over the entrance to the theater box Lincoln was in. He left his post, reasons vary but one theory was so he could go to a bar next door and get a drink. When Booth showed up the way to Lincoln was wide open. The policeman was investigated but never punished and stayed on the police force.
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Do we see any parallels between piss poor protection at Ford's theatre and Butler, Pa ?
 
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rillaman said:
Great plan if you want to end up eating lab made fake meat. Farming/ranching is not an easy way of life, so we have to incentivize people to do it. If we are going to incentivize any industry, it should probably be the one putting food on our table.

Without the help of other states, Arizona is not a livable place for 8-10 million people. The land does not provide the necessary water for that many people. I guess you guys just want farmers to be removed from the equation so that it does provide enough water for that area. I believe that is a very bad idea.
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Arizona does not get help from other states. It is completely livable at its current water ration, unlike Colorado farmers and ranchers.

End the Federal subsidies for Colorado farmers and the desert (all 7 states) will bloom again. No one wants subsidized alfalfa grown in the Imperial Valley except marginal ranchers in Colorado (and China). Sounds like a Democrat NGO.

America used to be based on competitiveness but you are arguing that if the taxpayers (trillions of dollars in debt) don't subsidize Colorado "farmers" we all are going to suffer. I'll take the market based solutions.
 
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rillaman said:
The Imperial Valley has a population of less than 200k ("it's the f'n desert"), and is one of the most productive agricultural regions in the United States. We need that part of the country to be productive to feed our country.

A growing Phoenix population (and the water needed to support it) will result in less water for more productive areas. I realize it's stupid, and will only result in higher prices at the grocery store if we squeeze out ranchers and farmers.
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Here you go; 1. increase beavers onto Federal managed land. 2. reduce cattle and increase buffalo one for one. Buff have different hooves and don't compact the soil. Meat has more protein as well.

For example, In Scotland Beaver were extinct since 1600 AD. In 2006 the Scots introduced 11 beaver onto one dead river and did nothing else. Now in 2026 there are tens of thousands of beaver in Scotland.
 
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BigWill said:
Here you go; 1. increase beavers onto Federal managed land. 2. reduce cattle and increase buffalo one for one. Buff have different hooves and don't compact the soil. Meat has more protein as well.

For example, In Scotland Beaver were extinct since 1600 AD. In 2006 the Scots introduced 11 beaver onto one dead river and did nothing else. Now in 2026 there are tens of thousands of beaver in Scotland.
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I actually do appreciate that you are thinking of ideas, and more buffalo/less cattle is a worthy discussion.

Arizona and Scotland are 2 very different climates. Annual rainfall in Scotland is somewhere around 60” per year, ~25” in the driest areas. Dropping off a dozen beavers in the desert is not going to be helpful. Colorado already has about 75k beavers.

Again, I appreciate thoughtful debate on this topic. Some of your talking points are relevant, but many are not.
 
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