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[tjfleck6]

What is your proof Dems are cheating? Please provide actual proof. You have none, so that will end this dumb discussion.

Ron DeSantis didn't "remove the fraud" in Florida elections lol. There wasn't material cheating when he arrived, and there isn't now. Like me, he knows Dems are voting late in Cali, and the late count will be better for Dems. Go figure! The fact that you are the third person he suckered with this take is hilarious, but on the policy of ending late counts HE'S 100% RIGHT. The better policy is having immediate knowledge of the winner ... because then partisans like you have one less argument that it must be cheating.

Apparently it takes book smarts to understand the argument that "extended counting is bad on its merits, even if it doesn't mean cheating."'

Good news is that you can blame cheating instead of Trump for the 2026 GOP debacle that is incoming.

Brick Train. Cheating has been around for millennia in elections. To think, you believe Joe Biden got 81M votes and outperformed Barack Obama in swing state urban centers only. You also believe that extended election counting is totally legit.

RDS completely cleaned up Florida elections and eliminated many Dem fraud mechanisms. You believe cheating doesn’t exist in 2026. I think politicians are as corrupt as ever. Why are Rs and especially Ds against election safety measures? Why did Hobbs veto Florida style improvements to Arizona elections. They got in through cheating and want to continue cheating.

Old Train also thinks that a single person making trip after trip to drop boxes is normal. Cell phone tracking is amazing.

you also refuse to answer why it is good Rs are stopping recess appointments.

 

[rillaman]

Except I don't have an issue with more people living in Arizona. I don't want it to become like S Calif with 24/7 traffic jams but the amount of less water people use vs agriculture is significant. Water is extremely low priced to farmers in the Colorado river basin - no wonder 70-80% is used for agriculture. If they made the farmers pay for the infrastructure the taxpayers paid to build Hoover Dam, Glen Canyon Dam, and all the canals and machinery to get the water to the Imperial valley, China wouldn't be able to buy alfalfa at subsidized rates. Why are water rates subsidized? (politics, incl Gavin Newsome who loves to spend Federal monies)

AZ has been pushing water conservation and has limits on population growth so we are not the problem despite people in semi-arid Denver throwing stones. I have a zero-scape yard (no grass), how about you?

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If we are going to subsidize water rates for anyone, shouldn’t it be farmers? I’m not really excited about the prospects of eating lab made fake meat in the future. This entire conversation started because BW said beef prices were high because of Biden. Now we have conservatives openly looking to make life harder on ranchers. Get ready for even higher beef prices.

I do quite a bit to limit our water. Already have turf in most of our backyard, about to remove the rest of the grass to put in concrete and a basketball hoop.

I also moved to one of the only towns in Colorado that put limits on population growth, so yes, I’ve been putting my $ where my mouth is. If my suburb was excitedly talking about bringing in data centers and hundreds of thousands of more people, I’d be very vocal in my opposition to it.

Colorado growth is just as much of a problem as Arizona growth. The only difference is, people from Colorado seem to recognize it. You’d be hard pressed to find a native Coloradoan (I married one, which is why I live here) excited about the prospects of adding a couple more million people.

 

[dtrain79]

Brick Train. Cheating has been around for millennia in elections. To think, you believe Joe Biden got 81M votes and outperformed Barack Obama in swing state urban centers only. You also believe that extended election counting is totally legit.

RDS completely cleaned up Florida elections and eliminated many Dem fraud mechanisms. You believe cheating doesn’t exist in 2026. I think politicians are as corrupt as ever. Why are Rs and especially Ds against election safety measures? Why did Hobbs veto Florida style improvements to Arizona elections. They got in through cheating and want to continue cheating.

Old Train also thinks that a single person making trip after trip to drop boxes is normal. Cell phone tracking is amazing.

you also refuse to answer why it is good Rs are stopping recess appointments.

NOTE THAT ZERO PROOF WAS OFFERED, just Internet conspiracies.

For those who like the movie 8 Mile (shockingly good IMHO), TJ's arguments remind me of Papa Doc at the beginning of the final rap battle: "Notice that this man did not have his hands up ..."

The Iconic Final Rap Battle Against Papa Doc | 8 Mile 4k HDR

 

[BigWill]

Partisanship is basically linked to brain rot these days.

Last I checked Putin wins pretty fast!

Btw, the only material cheating in a recent federal election was in North Carolina and benefitted a Republican. And there was cheating. It wasn’t a huge number of votes but the race was close enough the courts ordered a new election (won by a new R candidate not involved in the prior cheating).

It's not the quality of the vote that identifies fraud, but the quantity of non-legal voting.

 

[BigWill]

Non citizens who are here legally and pay into the system can get benefits. Undocumented workers cannot.

Pollyanna...

 

[BigWill]

Some don’t seem to understand the concerns around adding a couple more million people in Arizona. The obvious doesn’t seem obvious to all.

Your "math" should continue with the fact that Zona water usage has gone down as the population has exploded.

You need MORE millions of population !

 

[BigWill]

I ran this information through AI and it thinks this "anomaly" did happen and the odds are similar to flipping a coin and having it land on heads 3,855 times in a row. Not possible. The only reason AI thinks it could realistically happen is that it has happened before. Of course, it acknowledged it only has happened in blue areas. Huh.

There are grifters that train themselves on flipping a coin, so that they can win a bet.

I knew a friend that would play Roulette, but would only bet tables with one green slot.
He would wait till red or black had come up 3 times in a row, then bet $ 1,000 that the color wouldn't come up the forth time.

He won $ 36,000 in the Paradise Island Casino at the Bahamas. Then he paid 2 friends and himself to stuff the 100's in their shoes.

They were successful.

Guys trying to escape big wins would buy gold Rolexes, but the Rolex store would notify Customs.

 

[BigWill]

It's not the quality of the vote that identifies fraud, but the quantity of non-legal voting.

Nor the quantity of excessive posts about the same topic.....

 

[Uncoach]

This poster reminds me of Wonder Woman's plane as I can't ever see it. So, IDKWTI

Whoopi was the voice of one of the 3 hyenas in The Lion King.

 

[Uncoach]

More brilliant stuff from DumbCoach.

Spencer Pratt is easily going to make the LA Mayor runoff, and has a real shot to win. And the person booted from the November race is a progressive.

I hope Pratt wins, Bass is terrible, and he'd be doing so in an extraordinarily Dem city (tho races are nominally non-partisan like Texas municipal elections).

California Primary 2026: Live Election Results - The New York Times

Sweet. DumbTrain thinks he’s smarter than RDS. RDS policies are all over Trump admin. He’ll have my vote if he runs. RDS understands the proof is in things that are mathematically impossible. You go crying about MAGA and MAGA candidates beating the hell out of the traditional Republican rubes who don’t vote the wishes of the people, but we actually will vote for the Republican who is Dem lite over the Democrat despite the slower drip to the bottom. Cheers, Dumbcoach.

 

[Uncoach]

Republican squishies will let him be seated. Ari should know better.

 

[bung23]

No. He is a mere minion for Trump and Trump would not take Rubio's advice. Rubio looks like he is in the Dean's office when he is seated next to Trump. Allies are alienated, we have insulted NATO, we have abandoned Ukraine and have taken EVERY step Putin has wanted us to follow, we have been manipulated by Netanyahu, we have lost the trust of our friends in the M.E. and we are on the verge of abandoning Taiwan because Xi threatened Trump. The world is a mess, and neither Trump nor Rubio has one accomplishment. Then they are foolish enough to ask our allies to get in the fight because Trump and Rubio are unable to resolve the fighting.

Hakeem Jefferies, that you???

 

[dtrain79]

Sweet. DumbTrain thinks he’s smarter than RDS. RDS policies are all over Trump admin. He’ll have my vote if he runs. RDS understands the proof is in things that are mathematically impossible. You go crying about MAGA and MAGA candidates beating the hell out of the traditional Republican rubes who don’t vote the wishes of the people, but we actually will vote for the Republican who is Dem lite over the Democrat despite the slower drip to the bottom. Cheers, Dumbcoach.

I'm probably about as smart as RDS (not as good at baseball though), but what's hilarious is I actually know what RDS was doing with his tweet and why you are a sucker at taking the implication at face value.

But yes, RDS agrees that "slow counting is bad." 100%. So do I.

He also knows that slow counting is not the reason Dems overperform in the ballots returned last. That's because their voters are disproportionately represented in late returned ballots. RDS knows this ... he just realizes you don't know this and so he tweets something factual that implies malfeasance.

But if you simply argued that slow counting is bad and nothing more ... I'm with you 100%. But it's bad because it makes the results look iffy, not because they actually are.

 

[AzIllini]

If we are going to subsidize water rates for anyone, shouldn’t it be farmers? I’m not really excited about the prospects of eating lab made fake meat in the future. This entire conversation started because BW said beef prices were high because of Biden. Now we have conservatives openly looking to make life harder on ranchers. Get ready for even higher beef prices.

I do quite a bit to limit our water. Already have turf in most of our backyard, about to remove the rest of the grass to put in concrete and a basketball hoop.

I also moved to one of the only towns in Colorado that put limits on population growth, so yes, I’ve been putting my $ where my mouth is. If my suburb was excitedly talking about bringing in data centers and hundreds of thousands of more people, I’d be very vocal in my opposition to it.

70-80% of Colorado river water goes to agriculture. For farmers in the Imperial Valley the cost is about $20-30 per acre foot. You keep bringing up beef prices, but most US-raised beef comes from Texas and states that have nothing to do with the Colorado river.

Where we may disagree is I don't think it should be subsidized, it at least should cover the cost of the infrastructure and operating costs. One estimate I've read is the water should cost in the hundreds of dollars per acre foot if it includes building the original dams (maybe even $1000 per acre foot if adjusted for inflation). But probably not $20-30 per acre foot in 2026.

ps.
I've been thinking I need to become Somali to get on the government gravy train but it looks like all I need to do is move to Colorado and buy a ranch with water rights.