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rillaman

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Population growth and water, electricity usage; Specifically Arizona.

In 1995, the University of Arizona started a study of how to lower grid electricity usage by structures, both large buildings AND single family housing, to allow for future growth !

The number 1 use of electricity was use of air conditioning. The answer wasn't more/better, more efficient A/C units !

It was air towers that moved normal air throughout the home using chimney-like size attached structures that allow air into and out the building. WITHOUT any power use required it would lower temps inside the structure to 75 F with outside temps at 115 F.

Populations saved.

See above about water.

Syracuse Univ education in Phys Ed.


Did the 1995 study predict this?
 

rillaman

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Again, you have zero defense and zero solutions. You are correct, you are more than a complete waste of my time.

I offered the solution of giving incentives to people/companies to move to areas with more water and you accused me of supporting communism.
 

AzIllini

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I offered the solution of giving incentives to people/companies to move to areas with more water and you accused me of supporting communism.
How about using your incentives to move growing of alfalfa to wetter regions and leave the water for the people. Alfalfa crops use 4-5 million acre feet (mostly from the Colorado river) each year. It is a water intensive crop in a dry region. The capitalist solution would be to raise water rates to balance supply and demand which would eliminate some of the marginal farming and ranching uses. Instead they keep the rates low and let the govt allocate "cheap" water based on water rights given to whomever started using it first, which includes an enormous amount for agriculture in the Imperial Valley in CA that has an average rainfall of 5 inches.

Lake Mead is getting low so cuts, probably heavily aimed at AZ, are coming but the decision criteria are the path of least resistance because no one except someone like Musk would be impartial and forward looking enough to declare the best use, so alfalfa it is.
 

Uncoach

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The former Eastern Block countries the young bloods here would not remember are voting correctly. They endured the Soviet Union’s grip. They aren’t interested in going backwards.

 
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rillaman

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How about using your incentives to move growing of alfalfa to wetter regions and leave the water for the people. Alfalfa crops use 4-5 million acre feet (mostly from the Colorado river) each year. It is a water intensive crop in a dry region. The capitalist solution would be to raise water rates to balance supply and demand which would eliminate some of the marginal farming and ranching uses. Instead they keep the rates low and let the govt allocate "cheap" water based on water rights given to whomever started using it first, which includes an enormous amount for agriculture in the Imperial Valley in CA that has an average rainfall of 5 inches.

Lake Mead is getting low so cuts, probably heavily aimed at AZ, are coming but the decision criteria are the path of least resistance because no one except someone like Musk would be impartial and forward looking enough to declare the best use, so alfalfa it is.

Yes, need to look at what we can grow out here that isn’t as water intensive. Not going to be easy though. Ranchers are already struggling to feed their cattle in that part of the country. Trying to be creative, but many are deciding it’s time to sell.

 
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