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T2Kplus10

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This sounds right, but can you document it with a link. The reason I'm doubtful is that I suspect New Jersey suburbs never had much in the way of ratables; they were intended instead to be residential communities with little, if any, business and no industry, since that was thought incompatible with residential use.
The tax base in my town is 93% residential. But this is not typical (at least for central NJ). Towns like Bridgewater, Princeton, South Brunswick (warehouses), East Brunswick, Hamilton, West Windsor, etc. have large commercial tax bases.
 
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The tax base in my town is 93% residential. But this is not typical (at least for central NJ). Towns like Bridgewater, Princeton, South Brunswick (warehouses), East Brunswick, Hamilton, West Windsor, etc. have large commercial tax bases.

Was industry located in any of those towns, or was it mostly just "clean" businesses like stores?
 

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This sounds right, but can you document it with a link. The reason I'm doubtful is that I suspect New Jersey suburbs never had much in the way of ratables; they were intended instead to be residential communities with little, if any, business and no industry, since that was thought incompatible with residential use.

No link, but I can verify in recent years that BMW and Sony (and I believe Mercedes) have left their corporate headquarters in Montvale and moved out of state. And they're not the only ones. The office complexes have been left partially rented or empty. Also, GE has left, or is leaving Connecticut (and I believe a 100 year presence for Massachusetts, which has notably not increased taxes in recent years and has an individual income tax rate well below New Jersey's and soon (the ways things are trending) Connecticut's. Long gone are the days of Taxachusetts.
 
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This sounds right, but can you document it with a link. The reason I'm doubtful is that I suspect New Jersey suburbs never had much in the way of ratables; they were intended instead to be residential communities with little, if any, business and no industry, since that was thought incompatible with residential use.
No I don't. Just an observation. When you see
companies like Ford, GM,Union Carbide/Dow,
J&J,Revlon, Delco Battery, BASF. Just to name a few . Think of the millions of dollars in
real wages and tax revenue lost?
 

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Was industry located in any of those towns, or was it mostly just "clean" businesses like stores?
Mostly retail and some office space. South Brunswick is essentially the warehouse capital of the East Coast.....tons of trucks, but not "industry" per say. Princeton is retail and gets a bunch of money from the university. I think Hamilton is the only one with some real industry, but that is only a small portion of town. Hamilton is a really weird place (1/4 rural, 1/4 suburban, 1/4 urban, 1/4 industrial). It's a place that doesn't seem like it should be the same town!
 
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This sounds right, but can you document it with a link. The reason I'm doubtful is that I suspect New Jersey suburbs never had much in the way of ratables; they were intended instead to be residential communities with little, if any, business and no industry, since that was thought incompatible with residential use.


No link, but in recent years BMW, Sony and I believe Mercedes have left their Montvale US headquarters and moved out of state. The office complexes are now partially rented or vacant. GE, after I believe a century, is leaving Connecticut and moving to Massachusetts, which has held the line on taxes and has lost the moniker of Taxachusetts. Individual tax rates there are well under New Jersey's and below the future trendline for Connecticut.
 

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I disagree.

The simple fact is that nobody knows the answer to the question in the OP; it's all speculation based on slim anecdotal evidence. This answer is implicit in a number of posts in the thread.

Given that, it's only natural that the thread would go after the first shiny object it encounters. That's what they do.
Hadn't opened this thread until just now. Read through it and had decided to make a post until I saw the above post in which you said, more or less, what I was going to say.

Threads like this tend to do more to reveal people's biases than they provide any useful insight into future performance. Which is fine. I guess. Not much different from a discussion about who the starting QB will be next year.

I will say that the tone has remained remarkably civil, which is nice.
 

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Thanks for the laugh. You're right, but Sweeney looks even worse than Christie, and I admit that takes a lot.

Everybody also should remember that Sweeney got into a feud with the New Jersey Educational Association, the teachers. (Sweeney might actually have been on the right side in that one!) NJEA opposition would have been a problem in a statewide Democratic primary.

I'll just leave this here...

 

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FWIW he grew up in Massachusetts. I don’t know how well the state supports the state universities. Athletics wouldn’t seem to be as big a priority as I’d suspect it was in other states. He went to Harvard and Wharton. I can’t just simply based on those facts but they don’t sound like qualities that suggest he’d be a big ru asset.

Well those fact explain a lot.
 

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Mostly retail and some office space. South Brunswick is essentially the warehouse capital of the East Coast.....tons of trucks, but not "industry" per say. Princeton is retail and gets a bunch of money from the university. I think Hamilton is the only one with some real industry, but that is only a small portion of town. Hamilton is a really weird place (1/4 rural, 1/4 suburban, 1/4 urban, 1/4 industrial). It's a place that doesn't seem like it should be the same town!
South Brunswick had a lot of industry due to the prevalence of open space & proximity to the Turnpike. Grefco, Kodak, IBM, Dow Jones, not to mention the myriad smaller companies that have come & gone, all had facilities 30-50 years ago. Now it's all about warehousing. Minute Maid had a large plant in Hightstown. Ford & GM in the East Brunswick area & points north. Go back far enough and you can talk about the Michelin plant in Milltown and the snuff mill in Helmetta.
 
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I live in Massachusetts which has lost its reputation as Taxachusetts . I can't believe that Murphy wants to raise taxes on top of the outrageous property taxes levied in NJ...I read the recent WSJ editorial that said the average property tax bill in Essex County on a median $427K home is $11,597. Unbelievable and still not enough?

For some folks it's never enough - and government expenses can never be cut,
 

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OP asked how Murphy's election will affect RU. People are going off on a tangent with the weed and the taxation. It's remarkable that through the entire election process, the governor-elect said not a single thing about the flagship state U. Not good. Does he know there's a state U?
And he never said the "tax" word either. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
 

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many politicians feel that if you make $200,000 a year you are the "rich"--in NJ or NY, have kids and a house--you are relatively screwed
 
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The Impact of a Governor | Rutgers Magazine
Read this letter to editor when Magazine came today and thought it would fit nice in this thread.
It shows one man’s opinion on the impact a governor can have when they get involved.
Not going to get into if the author of letter is right about Christie, just show how he felt Christie’s involvement helped when other governors failed
https://magazine.rutgers.edu/letters/the-impact-of-a-governor
 

RU4Real

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The Impact of a Governor | Rutgers Magazine
Read this letter to editor when Magazine came today and thought it would fit nice in this thread.
It shows one man’s opinion on the impact a governor can have when they get involved.
Not going to get into if the author of letter is right about Christie, just show how he felt Christie’s involvement helped when other governors failed
https://magazine.rutgers.edu/letters/the-impact-of-a-governor

Hmm.

I don't know.

For one thing, I disagree with his opening premise. The beach chair meme is immortal, in my opinion.

As to the substance, he's sold on the idea that the med school merger couldn't have gotten done with anyone else in the Governor's office.

But is that really true? Are we prepared to say that no one else could have executed on this deal?

Christie has said on more than one occasion that he doesn't want to have to be bothered with Rutgers issues. His MO is that he wades in when things get ugly enough to start interrupting his regular agenda. When all that crap happened with Julie & Kyle, he had to pay attention. So we got Pat Hobbs.

Frankly, as a lifelong Republican, I think Chris Christie is a monster. But that's just my opinion, and I freely admit that the moves he's made with regard to RU have been, overall, very good moves.
 

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Hmm.

I don't know.

For one thing, I disagree with his opening premise. The beach chair meme is immortal, in my opinion.

As to the substance, he's sold on the idea that the med school merger couldn't have gotten done with anyone else in the Governor's office.

But is that really true? Are we prepared to say that no one else could have executed on this deal?

Christie has said on more than one occasion that he doesn't want to have to be bothered with Rutgers issues. His MO is that he wades in when things get ugly enough to start interrupting his regular agenda. When all that crap happened with Julie & Kyle, he had to pay attention. So we got Pat Hobbs.

Frankly, as a lifelong Republican, I think Chris Christie is a monster. But that's just my opinion, and I freely admit that the moves he's made with regard to RU have been, overall, very good moves.
The med school merger was 100% Christie due to his desire to kill UMDNJ. It was a political jihad for him and it would never have happened without Christie using his political capital at the time.
 

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The med school merger was 100% Christie due to his desire to kill UMDNJ. It was a political jihad for him and it would never have happened without Christie using his political capital at the time.

Sure. So stipulated.

But nobody else? Ever?

I'm just not prepared to embrace that.
 

T2Kplus10

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Sure. So stipulated.

But nobody else? Ever?

I'm just not prepared to embrace that.
It was his idea from the start. A Dem gov would never have done it due to the whiners in Newark. So we are down to R govs. Sure anything is theoretical possible. But you are really stretching to not give Christie credit here.
 

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It was his idea from the start. A Dem gov would never have done it due to the whiners in Newark. So we are down to R govs. Sure anything is theoretical possible. But you are really stretching to not give Christie credit here.

I said I gave him credit. You're being myopic. I'm just saying that it's inappropriate to suggest that no one else , ever, in would ever be able to do the same thing.
 
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I'm just saying that it's inappropriate to suggest that no one else , ever, in would ever be able to do the same thing.

I think this sentence shows that you're stretching not give him credit. You can apply this statement to just about any achievement accomplished by anyone at any time.
 

RU4Real

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I think this sentence shows that you're stretching not give him credit. You can apply this statement to just about any achievement accomplished by anyone at any time.

Precisely.

Which is why, when the linked piece stated that nobody but Christie could have accomplished the med school merger, it lost credibility in my view.
 

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Here is a description of Murphy's campaign promises. There is no mention of Rutgers. The only reference to higher education is his plan to make community colleges tuition-free. That will hurt Rutgers' ability to compete for students coming out of high school unless the freshman and sophomore years at Rutgers are also made tuition-free, something that Murphy hasn't mentioned. http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...ampaign.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured
 
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Here is a description of Murphy's campaign promises. There is no mention of Rutgers. The only reference to higher education is his plan to make community colleges tuition-free. That will hurt Rutgers' ability to compete for students coming out of high school unless the freshman and sophomore years at Rutgers are also made tuition-free, something that Murphy hasn't mentioned. http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...ampaign.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured
Murphy doesn't care about RU.
 

mdk02

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Here is a description of Murphy's campaign promises. There is no mention of Rutgers. The only reference to higher education is his plan to make community colleges tuition-free. That will hurt Rutgers' ability to compete for students coming out of high school unless the freshman and sophomore years at Rutgers are also made tuition-free, something that Murphy hasn't mentioned. http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...ampaign.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

Isn't that already happening to a degree? And one idea on how to stop it would be to remove the cap, not sure if it's formal or informal, on admitting out of state freshman students.
 

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Isn't that already happening to a degree? And one idea on how to stop it would be to remove the cap, not sure if it's formal or informal, on admitting out of state freshman students.

I have no problem with admitting OOS students, but at least to date we do not have that much appeal to OOSers, except for those interested in Mason Gross, which has a fairly unique problem. It's one of those chicken-and-egg problems; OOS students would help raise our academic profile, but we need to raise our academic profile to attract them.
 

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LMAO

Look at all the GOP did for RU, like when Christie reduced our funding to 1990s levels and consulted with Mike Brey about shutting the bball program down.

The only one who had a deal with Norcross was Christie himself.

Nothing better than watching you and the two others left in the Christie fan club try to defend him. And you won't even get your nickel a post to do it anymore! Sad!
Are u high? Corrine, a dem reduced funding to early 90s level
 

mdk02

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I have no problem with admitting OOS students, but at least to date we do not have that much appeal to OOSers, except for those interested in Mason Gross, which has a fairly unique problem. It's one of those chicken-and-egg problems; OOS students would help raise our academic profile, but we need to raise our academic profile to attract them.

Would that be the case with New Brunswick?
 

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I have no problem with admitting OOS students, but at least to date we do not have that much appeal to OOSers, except for those interested in Mason Gross, which has a fairly unique problem. It's one of those chicken-and-egg problems; OOS students would help raise our academic profile, but we need to raise our academic profile to attract them.
Raising our curb appeal wouldn’t be a bad thing either.
 
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He's a Norcross/ Sweeny puppet. Sweeny wants to control Rutgers governing board. Look for him to make another run at it now with his puppet in office.
Interesting, since he kept Sweeny from securing the nomination for Gov. & is a north Jersey guy.