Something like this? It was at least originally considered but it appears the lounges took up more space.
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Something like this? It was at least originally considered but it appears the lounges took up more space.
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We hold 18 attended records. They will never be broken by anyone. I serious doubt we could have broken the largest one if we let the Dude stay the same. We could tie it but not break it. I like the up grade. All things change and if not it become obsolete.
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You nailed it. Dirt cheap lifetime seats (many of whom had been dead for years) were the biggest cause of slim crowds.
Seems like they should provide people some other avenue for donations rather than buying season tickets that they have zero intentions of using.
Price of consumers attention has gone up too. That's what is going on with basketball attendence. That's life. I can watch every game on TV. The product had sucked for a long time. Yet people here complain about basketball attendence
If the university doesn't make it easy for me and my 3 kids to sit down for a baseball game, then if the product slips and attendance falls I hope people don't ***** about attendance.
The university only wants the season tickets holders to be interested in going to games. That's fine. I get it. It makes sense when the product is good.
But people here complain about people not going to basketball games. Then when people who want to go to baseball games, can't get a seat to do it, they say "suck it up buy season tickets"
It takes both to support a sports program for long haul. My kids won't be able to go to baseball games like I did in the 80s. I hope they still care about it as much as I do when they are adults, but I doubt they will
I will say this again. Mississippi State has handled this project in the absolute financially optimum way for the next 10 years.
But it’s not financially optimum for the long term. And it’s tone deaf and not fan friendly in the least. I don’t want Mississippi State baseball to be run as a business. And we should find sacrifices elsewhere to pay for the stadium we want and not screw the average Joe. It is unconscionable to me that our position is that we won’t sell you a seat to sit down and enjoy Miss State baseball without a multi year season ticket commitment. It’s insulting to the average family who doesn’t have the money or time to be able to commit to that. Baseball is supposed to be different than other sports in that respect. This will hurt us in the long run. It’s going to make people not going to come. And people who don’t come don’t fall in love with it.
But it’s not financially optimum for the long term. And it’s tone deaf and not fan friendly in the least. I don’t want Mississippi State baseball to be run as a business. And we should find sacrifices elsewhere to pay for the stadium we want and not screw the average Joe. It is unconscionable to me that our position is that we won’t sell you a seat to sit down and enjoy Miss State baseball without a multi year season ticket commitment. It’s insulting to the average family who doesn’t have the money or time to be able to commit to that. Baseball is supposed to be different than other sports in that respect. This will hurt us in the long run. It’s going to make people not going to come. And people who don’t come don’t fall in love with it.
Wrong. Two different things. In regards to basketball, most people are talking about the season ticket holders who don't go (Stans Loyalists) and mainly STUDENTS. Not average joes who want to go to one game a year.
Actually, it really doesn't take both. For every 1 guy like you, there are probably 10 others willing to buy season tickets.
This is the silliest argument I've ever seen. The University should in no way cater to someone not willing to pony up. Even still, this could be cured with a legit ticket exchange
Dear gosh, heaven forbid a family has to sit on a grass berm. It’s not made of quicksand.
Plenty of stadiums still use berms, and they’re very popular at most places. Clemson has one in their football stadium, and that seems to work just fine. You can argue about the size of the berms all you want, but space is going to be a non-issue for 90% of our home games. And for the other 10%, we will make it work. It’s still an improvement over the metal bleachers, and it’s the best solution when you factor in the grant entrance in right.
If the berms are an inconvenience, The grandstands are normally open for nonconference games and open up by the 5th for every other game. I don’t see why it’s such a huge problem, and I say that as someone who doesn’t have season tickets and will have to do the berms or SRO when I come to games.
Plenty of stadiums still use berms, and they’re very popular at most places. Clemson has one in their football stadium, and that seems to work just fine. You can argue about the size of the berms all you want, but space is going to be a non-issue for 90% of our home games. And for the other 10%, we will make it work. It’s still an improvement over the metal bleachers, and it’s the best solution when you factor in the grant entrance in right.
If the berms are an inconvenience, The grandstands are normally open for nonconference games and open up by the 5th for every other game. I don’t see why it’s such a huge problem, and I say that as someone who doesn’t have season tickets and will have to do the berms or SRO when I come to games.
I'm under the impression the berm will only seat a couple of hundred.
Sitting on a berm is fine if there is enough to guarantee people will be able to for an average weekend game. But a 7 hour round trip drive with 3 kids to fight a couple thousand people for 200 seats is stupid. No way should anyone expect a family to do that.
If the berm us sufficient to seat all the GA people who want to sit, then that's great. I have no complaints.
It will be more than sufficient for 90% of our games. For the other 10%, it’s not like anyone was sitting comfortably for those games anyway. You still had to get there at least an hour or so in advance if you wanted a seat in the bleachers during SBW or a Regional.
Our famous crowds of 15,000 in the old stadium? A whole lot of that was standing room only.
Most people want to sit in an actual seat than on the ground. It’s more and more reason to stay home and watch on SEC Network. That shouldn’t be what we want.
The fact that the technology already exists means we should be able to purchase it and implement it quickly. Not sure why we are lagging so far behind the times on this. Season tickets holders get some money back from games they can't attend and the school would take their cut as well.
It's win-win, expect it to be implemented in 2024.
It's win-win, expect it to be implemented in 2024.
Why is sitting on the ground better than sitting on metal bleachers? The ground gets muddy when there's rain; the bleachers don't.
So....if you're going to do all that......why not just buy a season ticket again? Still not sure why some of you feel you should be entitled to just come to a game anytime you want with no preparation at all. How in the holy hell could we EVER expect to accomodate "all the GA people who want to sit"??
What in the absolute f**k, how could we ever know that number
Bleachers get wet too. If you don’t want to put your butt on grass, bring a blanket to sit on. Or your own chair.
We could have the whole stadium be chairbacks and tape $100 dollar bills to every seat and there would still be a crowd that prefers to stay home and watch on TV. That just is what it is in 2018.
I get that the berms aren’t everybody’s cup of tea, but that doesn’t mean they were a bad idea. There will be lots of people that really like them, as is the case at many other stadiums.
That’s not the argument anyone is making. What we are arguing is that for a run of the mill weekend SEC series in the good weather months, there ought to be SOME reasonable seating available on a general admission basis. If you don’t get there early enough to get the seat, that’s on you.
Sebastapol then.
We obviously are doing just fine since we sold nearly every one of those season tickets. I happen to believe winning makes it more 'magical' than a few average joe fans who want the same experience that people who pay a lot of money get
Sure. Show him where he can buy that season ticket. Except he can't -- and it would cost him $8k to do that for him and 3 kids IF he could. At this point in my life, I don't love Mississippi State baseball that much. I don't even love it $2k/yr much. Sorry, that's reality. And I think everyone on here knows how much I love Mississippi State baseball. I'll conveniently watch it from a river bank with the football tailgating setup assuming my iDevices have service. Or I'll pay $20 and get there early or make a couple of phone calls for a better situation. I'm not coming with a hidden 6'er either, so I'm letting this cooler thing shake out a little bit.
That's how baseball attendance is. It's a walk up crowd deal. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of MSU baseball fans that feel alienated at Dudy Noble and for practical purposes basically never go back. Several examples in this very thread. And before long, they are invested in other things during the summer. Turkey season, fishing/kayaking, etc.
We don't accommodate any really. That's the problem. The walk up fans should get some of the best experiences in the stadium to sell them on investing in the future. They will be better now -- but have been miserable for 20 years.
People from Jackson just need a secure and comfortable situation before they make the drive up.
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Have you never watched a cold weather midweek game before? Those will never, ever be highly attended games. Weren’t in the old stadium, won’t be in the new stadium.
That kind of proves my point, though. Grandstands were open last night, so finding a seat wasn’t an issue. We’ve never had more than a couple of weekends a year that come close to max capacity. I don’t think finding a seat is going to be as much of a problem as some fear for most games.
I don't feel entitled. Again the price of consumer attention has gone up too. I have plenty of alternatives to spend my money and time on.
That's why I don't get the people that complain about people not showing up for basketball games. Or football (I am a season ticket holder of 40 years in football)
No team or coach is entitled to a good crowd either.
Want people going to games. Make it something people want to go to. Our season tickets holders do a piss poor job of showing up for all games.
Which is my point. If we are counting on season tickets holders to actually go to the games. Good luck with that in the long term.
But you are right. I'm not entitled. But I'm a consumer.
People just need to be consistent. Don't complain about attendance. The university is not entitled to have people show up
I want a Mississippi State baseball program that goes out of its way to include all people. I want students to get a good experience. I want the common working class family to get a good experience. I want the family that lives 400 miles away who comes to one series a year to get a good experience. And I want the well-to-do donor and season ticket holder to get a good experience. And I completely understand that person is going to get a better seat and a better experience. It’s how it has to be to pay the bills. But “You’re not a donor and season ticket holder, so we didn’t build even one single seat for people like you in this stadium” crosses the line of reasonableness to me. It will absolutely hurt us in the years to come by not giving people a chance to fall in love with the DNF experience.
Obviously some people do. The stadium is sold out, he had every opportunity to buy season tickets just like everyone else
I think that is just made up in fans mind, tell me exactly when this became a thing
It's simply not feasible to do it at our field, infrastructure wise. The ticket exchange system is the answer for everyone
They wouldn’t have sold out had the university not sold them. They should’ve built the stadium big enough to hold back some allotment as general admission. “We are going to have general admission SEATING” should’ve been the policy.
I hope that's true. Stadium looks amazing. I would love to take my family to see a few games there
If he had priority points...meaning actually giving more than the $2k/ that the seats actually cost, at least for this season(nevermind that he won't actually get them this season).
Yet it's feasible at ?what? about 27 major league stadiums?
If you went to a Braves game and had to stand up the whole time, I'd bet you didn't become a Braves fan or spend a lot of time and effort on going back....
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MLB teams have millions of dollars and build monstrosities of stadiums, and they don't care if they sit empty. That's a dumb comparison and you know it
I became a Braves fan because they were winning and on TBS, like 99% of their fanbase
If the university only wants season ticket holders to be interested in the program that's cool I guess. I just hope those families reproduce at a high rate.
Luckily as a consumer I have other options. Minor league baseball last 9 innings too.
Luckily as a consumer I have other options. Minor league baseball last 9 innings too.
I think a fundamental problem is that most of our average joe fans are asking, "What can the baseball program do for me?" rather than what you can do for the program. This attitude sucks.
Why not come to some midweek games and sit wherever you like? Come to some Sunday games that are less crowded, walk around for a little while, then grab a seat when they open it up for everyone?
But they did built seats. There will be some in the upper deck. And there is a huge amount of room to move around in, all with a great view
I disagree... selling bleacher seats where you can't see the game isn't fan friendly and a bad experience for those that make a trip in the spring to visit the campus for the first time like one of my colleagues did last year. They took their son and they had a bad experience. He didn't pick state and went elsewhere. This wasn't the sole reason but it did leave a bad taste in their mouth because all they heard was how it was the "palace" of college baseball... when quite the opposite was true especially if you don't know anyone in LFL.
The stadium improvements are fantastic and will be even better once finally completed
The stadium improvements are fantastic and will be even better once finally completed
Most of the average Joe fans have a limit on money and time
Because I live 3.5 hours away and have 3 kids in baseball, soccer, singing lessons, ect. I do alright financially, but once it's spread out (and I do have 5 football season tickets). I have to make decisions that are best for my family....not a baseball program that just built a $60 million stadium.
Actually the fundamental problem is you just telling the average fan to suck it up. Stop being poor. Stop having a job and other responsibilities.
This idea that all fans should donate a huge bulk of their time and money or they are not fans is absurd.
It's f**king entertainment. It's way down the list of what is best for my family. Behind my job (I often work weekends). Church. Kids .
It's cool you have a bunch of extra money and free time.
I realized it's sold out this year. Looks like a great financial decisions. It may always be that way. But the fact of the matter is the baseball program appears now to only DESERVE or be ENTITLED to a certain financial class of fans.
Again if that's all that want. Great. Do what they think is best. But that's an odd long term strategy for a public university in the poorest state in America
And nobody is saying they should "cater" to middle class people that live far away. But when you build the biggest, nicest, most expensive college baseball stadium in the country, then adding a reasonable amount of GA seats is not too much for a fan base to expect
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Dead on. I would rather have a fuller small stadium that is going to be noisy than a bigger one that is almost never full.
IF we start having sellouts more often, they will find a way to add more seats. We will get just as much notoriety from a lot of sellouts as we would for two or four huge crowds in a season.
I love the way it looks... how even a smaller mid-week crowd looks good and I think when it is finished we will all agree it was a pretty damned good job.